***EURO GT500 Championship***Thread closing, New thread up***

Cars that we gonna use

  • Like in the thread post.

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • Same cars the whole season.

    Votes: 8 57.1%
  • Any GT500 car

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Doesn´t matter, all I care for is to drive for my King&Country

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • Total voters
    14
  • Poll closed .
I suggest the Stewards for next week.

FIN / eppe00 - RamoSapiens, watching SWE-UK incidents.
SWE / johnkiller2 - Sail IC, UK-FIN
UK / Bigadz83 - Lambolover FIN-SWE

How does it sound?
Its only in those special cases, where the Guys havent
get a solution themselves.
 
I suggest the Stewards for next week.

FIN / eppe00 - RamoSapiens, watching SWE-UK incidents.
SWE / johnkiller2 - Sail IC, UK-FIN
UK / Bigadz83 - Lambolover FIN-SWE

How does it sound?
Its only in those special cases, where the Guys havent
get a solution themselves.

Sounds like a good plan.... 👍
 
I suggest the Stewards for next week.

FIN / eppe00 - RamoSapiens, watching SWE-UK incidents.
SWE / johnkiller2 - Sail IC, UK-FIN
UK / Bigadz83 - Lambolover FIN-SWE

How does it sound?
Its only in those special cases, where the Guys havent
get a solution themselves.

Excellent !!!
 
Johan I wasn't looking blame just prove my innocence and/or discuss the incident. I can appreciate you cannot study each incident in detail. Therefore I would say that if people disagree with a decision that they also have an opportunity to appeal and put together evidence which can then be looked at again?
If an incident is 50/50 then you have to put it down to racing. I am happy to be a steward myself if it helps when incidents involve Sweden vs Finland.

I know you didn't, and I'm really happy you took it in the right way and reacted in a constructive manor. Very British if I may say.
 
LOL!!

Bigadz83: I was not driving defensively because you was to far behind to try such an aggressive move, On that picture when you are ALMOST alongside me, I would have started to turn in if I had not see you coming on my inside with too much speed. But I did not turn in to avoid contact. If I had done so, it would have been your fault without a doubt. But I honstly think that I will leave this destruction derby to you guys. to battle out. On the next picture, where contact is caught on pic, you can see that you got plenty of room on my inside if you had a correct speed in to the corner. But your nose is pointed right in to the green concrete LOL.

When I was behind you on the straight (another incident) and turned out from your slipstream to overtake, you turned at the same time to block me, causing a pretty tough contact. This shows what kind of driving style is ok in this championship, but it does not fit my style. Just because damage is off, does not meen that you can risk contact like you did in both of this situations in my book.

I think this is a matter of different views of how to play the game. No personal issues, I'll just let you guys battle this on out.
 
This is copied from GTP Online race rules:

08: Corner Rights:


A:
When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

B:
You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner’s turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver’s position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.

C:
If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit.

D:
If an ahead driver has clearly made an error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. However, the overtaking driver must still avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not justify a passing move. The ahead driver getting a bit out of shape at times doesn’t give you an automatic right to pass. You still have to judge if their error allows for a safe pass to take place.

E:
Drivers who are using PS2/PS3 controller MUST make additional effort in driving due to the fact they can't use side-view, and their perception of the other cars is thereby limited - extreme caution while maneuvering is required. If you are using a controller, you are required to set buttons up for side views as "I didn't see you." is not an excuse if you collide with another driver when racing.

Ok, so can you please post a picture taken from the turn in point then? If I am wrong, so be it.. But my strong standpoint up until a picture from the turn in point is posted will remain.
 
Imo, you are right, chorda. Braking looks so very late on that move, he is still braking even past the kerb for the corner, so well past the apex. The only reason Adz was "ahead" into the corner was because he left his braking so late.

(Not in this case, but anyone could be "ahead" into a corner if they just decide not to brake, so you really can't use 'who was ahead' as proving it's valid or not.)

Look at where Adz ends up when he makes the corner - it's right by the far white line. So if he stays wide to allow Adz space, where is Chorda meant to go?
 
Imo, you are right, chorda. Braking looks so very late on that move, he is still braking even past the kerb for the corner, so well past the apex. The only reason Adz was "ahead" into the corner was because he left his braking so late.

(Not in this case, but anyone could be "ahead" into a corner if they just decide not to brake, so you really can't use 'who was ahead' as proving it's valid or not.)

Look at where Adz ends up when he makes the corner - it's right by the far white line. So if he stays wide to allow Adz space, where is Chorda meant to go?

Thank you andil!!

Pictures are funny, because you can not judge the speed. If Bigadz83 had slowed down enough coming in to the corner, he would have stayed on the inside lane/line, and contact would never have been made. Anyone see the brakelights way past the apex? I held a wide enough line to leave space on my inside since I tryed to awoid contact.

If I run into that corner without braking at all, I could also get pretty pictures with me reaching the turn as car no 1. LOL

Also, I did a 1:54.XXX during the race, so it's not like I was off pace by that much. So in the first picture you can see my brakelights but not Bigadz83's. But as we all know, when in a slipstream you need to brake at the same time as the driver in front (or ideal, a little bit before) because your speed is higher and your downforce is less. If you look at the distance between the cars when I start to brake, it should be obvious that an overtake was way to aggressive for a championship that stands for "clean and proffessional driving" LOL
 
Yeah.

Hopefully we got a solution for this kind of accidents.
Think this case is about 50/50. Im really scared only
of the thought that we would have many of these in
the next weeks championship opening.
Im sorry for Bigadz and chorda that just this particular incident
is beein looked at all over again, but it is important
to talk about it. We all want as clean racing as we can
with this visibility we have with this game and these cars.
 
By looking at the replay, you can clearly see that the speed for Bigadz83 is way to aggressive. This is not a 50/50!

But I agree that it's good example to inlight.

But how about that "block" on the straight? If this is a "clean and proffessional" championship (has not been so far if you ask me), how do we judge situations were driver intentionally causes hard contact between cars? Is it ok to do so?
 
Please, could more people take a look at this particular
incident on the replay. Post Your thoughts, so we could
get a solution before next weeks Race.

(chorda&Bigadz83)
1. ca.5´20 at the braking to the chicane
2. ca.7´40 main straight

Thank You!
 
Well I'm glad this has been talked about. Which it definately has! Its useful for the future races to work out how to resolve these things.

chorda, I wasn't expecting you to agree with me and yes you was lapping well in the race, although I'm not sure how this changes anything?
Looking at the 'blocking' on the main straight. I understand your view on that, it wasn't intentional, I was moving to the inside for turn 1 with my 1 allowed move but i am happy to accept blame for that.

The other incident is just an overtaking move. You chose to leave the door open and i had track position into the apex. Surely if i was carrying too much speed i wouldn't have made the corner?

I don't wish to go on and on about this, i raised it in the interests of the series more than anything and i hope we can race fairly in the future.
 
Well, when diving in to a corner like that, you need to know that you are passing me way to late to calculate with that I will not atleast be alongside you in to the corner, with that in mind, you speed was to great. Because you took the entire turn in your possetion, when you simply could not. I really tryed to give you room dispite the aggressive move you tryed. Because I concider myself as a clean racer that does everything to avoid contact in all situations. To be honest, I actually think that when we made contact it slowed you down quite a bit. If had not made contact, you would have been out on the green surface with atleast 2 wheels I guess. That is just way to aggresive.. I know that this is a GAME, but this question is just asked with this championship beeing promoted as "clean and proffessional" in mind: Had you tryed a move like that on a real circuit?

Also, your 1 move that you are allowed to do on a straight.. Yes, you are allowed to do that. But when i broke your slipstream and was going to overtake, you used that 1 move to block me, and the rule is not there to protect you for causing an impact. And please, don't claim that it "wasn't intentional".. You knew exactly what was going to happen.
I know that this is a GAME, but this question is just asked with this championship beeing promoted as "clean and proffessional" in mind: Had you tryed a move like that on a real circuit?

I do agree with you that it's good and healthy to bring these kind of incidents up for discussion. 👍
 
As you might expect we have to agree to disagree with this. Yes I would expect to see this kind of move in a real racing, and while it may have been tight it was a fair and reasonable move.

There was another incident whereby you simply hit me from behind but I honestly cant be bothered to go into that. This was a pre season race after all.
I don't really appreciate the suggestion that I wanted you to hit me from behind deliberately, where is the skill in defending like that? I am also a clean racer and have raced plenty with other people in this series for them to be able to agree with this.

These scenarios will occur, whether they are between you and me or other people racing. I don't want/need to comment any further on any of this. I will continue to race respectfully with everyone in the series, have fun and take any punishment which is proven as my fault.
I hope you and I can enjoy racing together in the future and that this 'debate' has been useful in some way. 👍
 
IMO the move Lambolover did was arrogant , good move but too late.
The pictures posted don't show the important part ,
which is the moment when the guy in the yellow car started to turn in.
To begin with , the distance between those 2 cars approaching the chicane was too far for overtaking ever being successful. ( now I'm ignoring driver mistakes and alike)
The black marks of contact look like , that the red car pushed in when the yellow car was alredy turning.
It is important to remember , that you don't see your rivals if they aren't infront of and/or behind you.

When chased by rival driver and turning in , checking the position of the rival isnt the first thing in mind.
One , the one chasing should pay attention and respect the leading driver's driving line.

I'm trying to stay as neutral as possible when judging this and I do not mean any harm with it.



MadMax
 
IMO the move Lambolover did was arrogant , good move but too late.
The pictures posted don't show the important part ,
which is the moment when the guy in the yellow car started to turn in.
To begin with , the distance between those 2 cars approaching the chicane was too far for overtaking ever being successful. ( now I'm ignoring driver mistakes and alike)
The black marks of contact look like , that the red car pushed in when the yellow car was alredy turning.
It is important to remember , that you don't see your rivals if they aren't infront of and/or behind you.

When chased by rival driver and turning in , checking the position of the rival isnt the first thing in mind.
One , the one chasing should pay attention and respect the leading driver's driving line.

I'm trying to stay as neutral as possible when judging this and I do not mean any harm with it.



MadMax

👍

I did know that he was trying to dive in on my inside, but as you say, it's not possible to see exactly where he is when he is on my side. I did take a wider line into the corner to leave space, but the speed was to great from the overtaking driver, and contact was made.. By looking at one of the pictures, you can see the brakelights glowing red hot way past the apex.
 
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Team UK Qualifying, Race 1

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C-Falcon89
Paginas
Scanny_Flick
Bigadz83 - Confirmed.
Ayrton_Senna1994
Moieman
HortusIX

So have 7 people signed up for the series and as we know there are 5 places available for Thursdays race. The fair way to do this is to hold a qualifying session the Wednesday night before the race.
Can people wanting to race please copy and confirm. If we have 5 or less then no qualifying is needed but if we have more then we will can go to qualy which I will host for 15 minutes at 21.00

Also Eppe can you confirm the number of laps for the first race? 👍
 
Team UK Qualifying, Race 1

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C-Falcon89
Paginas - Confirmed.
Scanny_Flick
Bigadz83 - Confirmed.
Ayrton_Senna1994
Moieman
HortusIX
 
NEXT RACE:

1.Suzuka 18+1 Laps / 1 Mandatory Pitstop, 3 Teams (UK,Swe,Fin)/5 drivers 17.2.2011 at 20.00 GMT

EDIT: Has Team UK chosen which car You will use for the whole season?
Motul or Xanavi?
 
NEXT RACE:

1.Suzuka 18+1 Laps / 1 Mandatory Pitstop, 3 Teams (UK,Swe,Fin)/5 drivers 17.2.2011 at 20.00 GMT

EDIT: Has Team UK chosen which car You will use for the whole season?
Motul or Xanavi?

Well I dont know what others think but I would suggest the Xanavi as its marginally better overall IMO.
 
Team UK Qualifying, Race 1


C-Falcon89
Paginas - Confirmed.
Scanny_Flick - Confirmed
Bigadz83 - Confirmed.
Ayrton_Senna1994
Moieman
HortusIX

Adam, i have another race at 20:45 on wednesday so wont be able to make qualy at 21:00, can start it at 20:00-20:20 or at around 22:30 onwards if you are able to host/watch just me at either of these times??
 
Team UK Qualifying, Race 1


C-Falcon89
Paginas - Confirmed.
Scanny_Flick - Confirmed
Bigadz83 - Confirmed.
Ayrton_Senna1994
Moieman
HortusIX

Adam, i have another race at 20:45 on wednesday so wont be able to make qualy at 21:00, can start it at 20:00-20:20 or at around 22:30 onwards if you are able to host/watch just me at either of these times??

Okay mate well I can view your time over 15 minutes tonight if you like to verify and you can record mine afterwards so that I can view uk qualifying properly tommorow (if enough people show up).

Can you do 2230 tonight?
 
Okay mate well I can view your time over 15 minutes tonight if you like to verify and you can record mine afterwards so that I can view uk qualifying properly tommorow (if enough people show up).

Can you do 2230 tonight?


Just be sure that You do both sessions in the same place.
Open Lobby or My Lounge,(with the same Race Quality settings).

It has been stated that Your tires don´t warm up properly in
My Lounge. So the times will be faster in Open Lobby.

I´m not sure how the Race Quality settings affect Your laptimes, but I´ve heard that they affect too.
 
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