F.I.T.T WSR/Senna F3 Challenge

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Pete05
Hey guys, it's review time :)
All testing was conducted using the buttons on a DS3 with manual transmission & gear changes made at the redline on the tachometer . I did 5 clean laps as a 'getting to know you session' and that was followed by 10 clean laps that were timed. The results are as follows:


@shaunm80
Lap time: 1:23:692 DC: 9.3
Impression of the tune:
Good stability in all corners although it's a little edgy on the brakes into turns 2 & 4 and then you have to work hard for clean power down traction. It's easy flat at turn 5, if you kiss the kerbs at turns 6 & 7 it won't throw you off, has a good spread of ratios in the 'box and if you attack turn 9 with a little too much gusto, you can feel the rear end do a little steering for you. Splits over the timed lap were 17.1, 11.7, 13.5, 19.6 & 21.5. The best sector times I managed were
16.8, 11.6, 13.4, 19.6 & 21.5 so dipping down to a 1:22:9xx isn't dreaming.
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Thanks for the review. Sounds like there is a lot of speed in this tune if a perfect lap was achieved. Glad you enjoyed the ride so much and could push through the quick corners as much as you could. You did an amazing time in my tune too so well done :)
 
coryclifford
Pretty fast there, Petey. Nice lap.
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shaunm80
Thanks for the review. Sounds like there is a lot of speed in this tune if a perfect lap was achieved. Glad you enjoyed the ride so much and could push through the quick corners as much as you could. You did an amazing time in my tune too so well done :)
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Thanks guys :cheers: Great cars on a great track = a whole lot of fun.
 
Pete05
Hey guys, it's review time :)
All testing was conducted using the buttons on a DS3 with manual transmission & gear changes made at the redline on the tachometer . I did 5 clean laps as a 'getting to know you session' and that was followed by 10 clean laps that were timed. The results are as follows:

@Motor City Hami
Lap time: 1:22:882 DC: 10.0
Impression of the tune:
It's almost as if this tune is in another world it's so damn fast. My first timed lap was a 1:23:256! It has excellent power down traction out of turn 2, is solid, stable, inspires confidence and invites you to push harder. You can really trust the front end but the rear will let go if you get too brave & try cornering over the limit. Although it's a little short on the gearing, I'm not paying for the engines so send the bills to the guy with the sweaty brow :D
The timed lap had sector splits of 16.7, 11.5, 13.5, 19.5 & 21.6. The best sector times I managed were 16.6, 11.4, 13.3, 19.4 & 21.5.

@Pete05
Lap time: 1:23:151 DC: 9.0
Impression of the tune:
A lot faster than I thought it would be. As I've said, it's as good as I could make it with the limited tuning experience I have.
The timed lap had sectors splits of 16.8, 11.6, 13.4, 19.7 & 21.6. The only sector I had a better time on was sector 2 at a 11.5.

@DolHaus
Lap time: 1:23:589 DC: 9.4
Impression of the tune:
This one's fast but a bit more on the edge. If you step over that edge it's hard to bring it back. I had to work hard to get a smooth run out of turn 2 and I felt the gear change points to be very similar to my tune.
The timed lap had sector splits of 16.9, 11.6, 13.6, 19.6 & 21.7. The best sector times I managed were
16.9, 11.6, 13.4, 19.5 & 21.5 so it has the potential to go faster if you can pull it all together.

@Otaliema
Lap time: 1:23:665 DC: 9.5
Impression of the tune:
I felt this one was fast considering the downforce levels you have to work with. It's got very good high speed stability, good power down traction out of turns 2 & 4 and I liked the spacing of the gear ratios.
The timed lap had sector splits of
16.9, 11.6, 13.3, 19.7 & 21.8. The best sector times I managed were
16.9, 11.5, 13.3, 19.7 & 21.6 so again, potentially faster times are there for the taking.

@shaunm80
Lap time: 1:23:692 DC: 9.3
Impression of the tune:
Good stability in all corners although it's a little edgy on the brakes into turns 2 & 4 and then you have to work hard for clean power down traction. It's easy flat at turn 5, if you kiss the kerbs at turns 6 & 7 it won't throw you off, has a good spread of ratios in the 'box and if you attack turn 9 with a little too much gusto, you can feel the rear end do a little steering for you. Splits over the timed lap were 17.1, 11.7, 13.5, 19.6 & 21.5. The best sector times I managed were
16.8, 11.6, 13.4, 19.6 & 21.5 so dipping down to a 1:22:9xx isn't dreaming.

@Bowtie-muscle
Lap time: 1:23:846 DC: 9.2
Impression of the tune:
This is a tune with a trustworthy front end & crazy good turn-in but if you stray onto an outside kerb, you're going for a wild ride. It's got very good power down out of turn 2 and is solid everywhere else. As I've mentioned previously, the final two ratios in the gearbox are too long & that has cost it time in a field as closely stacked as this.
Split times over the timed lap were
17.1, 11.7, 13.4, 19.8 & 21.6. The best sector times I managed were 16.9, 11.6, 13.3, 19.6 & 21.6.

@MrGrado
Lap time: 1:24:321 DC: 8.9
Impression of the tune:
I found this tune to be the edgiest of the whole field. It has a front end so endowed with grip the rear can't keep up. When it oversteers it's very hard to catch the slide. I had turn-in oversteer at turns 1, 5 & 9. A little more grip in the rear & it would be almost perfect. Like Motor City Hami's tune, it's got short gearing that had the tachometer in the red into turns 1 & 5. The timed lap had sector times of 17.0, 11.8, 13.6, 20.0 & 21.8. The best sector times I managed were 16.8, 11.6, 13.5, 19.5 & 21.6 so it's potential is much better than I could produce over one lap.

@fordracer
Lap time: 1:24:739 DC: 8.5
Impression of the tune:
This tune has a rear end that's more planted than an old growth forest! Unfortunately the front is too prone to understeer with the front tyres cherry red in the turns. As someone who doesn't play well with a vague front end, this had an effect on my times. It puts it's power down really well at turn 2 but the understeer meant I had to wait at turn 9 before I could get back to the throttle. The same can be said about turn 4 which ultimately affected speed down the long straight towards turn 5. Sector times from the timed lap were 17.1, 11.7, 13.7, 20.0 & 22.1 with my best sectors being 17.0, 11.6, 13.5, 19.9 & 21.9.

@Ridox2JZGTE
Lap time: 1:24:921 DC: 8.8
Impression of the tune:
I can only describe this tune as a case of what could've been. I tried really hard to stitch together a quick lap but when this one gets away from you it's gone forever. The front end is good in slow to medium speed corners but falls into understeer in the high speed stuff. I had to be really patient with the power down out of turn 2 & I feel it's hurt by the low downforce levels meaning it can't carry a high corner speed. The timed lap produced sectors of 17.3, 11.7, 13.6, 20.1 & 22.0. The best sector times I managed were
17.0, 11.6, 13.4, 19.9 & 21.8.

@xande1959
Lap time: 1:24:940 DC: 7.9
Impression of the tune:
This tune, more than any other here, was hurt by the choice of gear ratios. It was hard to decide wether to use 2nd or 3rd at turn 2 and 3rd or 4th at turns 4 & 8. Adding to the woes was the fact 5th gear was too long for this track. On the positive side was it's power down traction out of turn 2, it's consistency, the ability to save a slide and the way it is unaffected by riding the kerbs. The timed lap had sector split times of 17.2, 11.8, 13.5, 19.9 & 22.3. The best sectors I managed were 17.2, 11.7, 13.5, 19.9 & 22.0.

@sinof1337
Lap time: 1:25:427 DC: 8.0
Impression of the tune:
This tune has the lowest combined downforce of all the tunes. If it understeers, it's of the terminal variety & lifting off the power won't rescue the situation. That made it very hard to commit & trust the front end and be consistent. The timed lap had sector split times of 17.4, 11.7, 13.7, 20.2 & 22.2. The best sector times I managed were 17.2, 11.7, 13.4, 19.9 & 22.0.
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Thank you for testing and for the review, I'm glad you enjoyed the car :cheers: Bit of a dark horse Pete, never realised you were of the extraterrestrial variety :lol:
 
Pete05
Hey guys, it's review time :)
All testing was conducted using the buttons on a DS3 with manual transmission & gear changes made at the redline on the tachometer . I did 5 clean laps as a 'getting to know you session' and that was followed by 10 clean laps that were timed. The results are as follows:

@Motor City Hami
Lap time: 1:22:882 DC: 10.0
Impression of the tune:
It's almost as if this tune is in another world it's so damn fast. My first timed lap was a 1:23:256! It has excellent power down traction out of turn 2, is solid, stable, inspires confidence and invites you to push harder. You can really trust the front end but the rear will let go if you get too brave & try cornering over the limit. Although it's a little short on the gearing, I'm not paying for the engines so send the bills to the guy with the sweaty brow :D
The timed lap had sector splits of 16.7, 11.5, 13.5, 19.5 & 21.6. The best sector times I managed were 16.6, 11.4, 13.3, 19.4 & 21.5.
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You did that time with a DS3 using x and square? I was going to ask you to do some online racing after this competition was over. Maybe second thinking that decision.

Hey, if we do another race series where we pair up, I call @Pete05 as teammate!

And thanks for the test drive and awesome time.
 
Pete05
Impression of the tune:
I felt this one was fast considering the downforce levels you have to work with. It's got very good high speed stability, good power down traction out of turns 2 & 4 and I liked the spacing of the gear ratios.
The timed lap had sector splits of
16.9, 11.6, 13.3, 19.7 & 21.8. The best sector times I managed were
16.9, 11.5, 13.3, 19.7 & 21.6 so again, potentially faster times are there for the taking.
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Great reviews. :wow: to the times.
1:22 :boggled: do you have tires left?
Thank you for all the work you have put into this event. You're doing a great job your first time out 👍
 
Just for fun:

This is the average tune, combining all of the knowledge from all eleven FITT tuners.
Google sheet comparisons: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E6f1NKEzsb9pbqC2TSzKZLA9y2QA-1PXPAbwJdV6AFA/edit?usp=sharing

SUSPENSION:
RIDE HEIGHT - 40/40
SPRINGS - 16.51/21.68
COMP - 4/4
EXT - 5/5
ARB - 4/4
CAMBER - 0.7/0.9
TOE - -0.17/0.20
BRAKES - 5/5
LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 9
ACCEL - 19
DECEL - 13
DOWNFORCE - 708/875


And this is an average of the current top five in the competition (@Bowtie-muscle @DolHaus @Motor City Hami @Otaliema and @Pete05). This tune should handle best of all by taking the best from the best. Anyone want to test it?

SUSPENSION:
RIDE HEIGHT - 40/40
SPRINGS - 16.32/21.98
COMP - 3/4
EXT - 6/5
ARB - 4/4
CAMBER - 0.2/0.2
TOE - -0.08/0.16
BRAKES - 5/6
LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 9
ACCEL - 18
DECEL - 15
DOWNFORCE - 744/911

I should also work up an averaged transmission, but the only way to do it would be to convert each gearbox to individual gear times the final drive, then reverse engineer it in the game.

Thoughts?
 
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Pete05
Hey guys, it's review time :)
All testing was conducted using the buttons on a DS3 with manual transmission & gear changes made at the redline on the tachometer . I did 5 clean laps as a 'getting to know you session' and that was followed by 10 clean laps that were timed. The results are as follows:

@Motor City Hami
Lap time: 1:22:882 DC: 10.0
Impression of the tune:
It's almost as if this tune is in another world it's so damn fast. My first timed lap was a 1:23:256! It has excellent power down traction out of turn 2, is solid, stable, inspires confidence and invites you to push harder. You can really trust the front end but the rear will let go if you get too brave & try cornering over the limit. Although it's a little short on the gearing, I'm not paying for the engines so send the bills to the guy with the sweaty brow :D
The timed lap had sector splits of 16.7, 11.5, 13.5, 19.5 & 21.6. The best sector times I managed were 16.6, 11.4, 13.3, 19.4 & 21.5.

@Pete05
Lap time: 1:23:151 DC: 9.0
Impression of the tune:
A lot faster than I thought it would be. As I've said, it's as good as I could make it with the limited tuning experience I have.
The timed lap had sectors splits of 16.8, 11.6, 13.4, 19.7 & 21.6. The only sector I had a better time on was sector 2 at a 11.5.

@DolHaus
Lap time: 1:23:589 DC: 9.4
Impression of the tune:
This one's fast but a bit more on the edge. If you step over that edge it's hard to bring it back. I had to work hard to get a smooth run out of turn 2 and I felt the gear change points to be very similar to my tune.
The timed lap had sector splits of 16.9, 11.6, 13.6, 19.6 & 21.7. The best sector times I managed were
16.9, 11.6, 13.4, 19.5 & 21.5 so it has the potential to go faster if you can pull it all together.

@Otaliema
Lap time: 1:23:665 DC: 9.5
Impression of the tune:
I felt this one was fast considering the downforce levels you have to work with. It's got very good high speed stability, good power down traction out of turns 2 & 4 and I liked the spacing of the gear ratios.
The timed lap had sector splits of
16.9, 11.6, 13.3, 19.7 & 21.8. The best sector times I managed were
16.9, 11.5, 13.3, 19.7 & 21.6 so again, potentially faster times are there for the taking.

@shaunm80
Lap time: 1:23:692 DC: 9.3
Impression of the tune:
Good stability in all corners although it's a little edgy on the brakes into turns 2 & 4 and then you have to work hard for clean power down traction. It's easy flat at turn 5, if you kiss the kerbs at turns 6 & 7 it won't throw you off, has a good spread of ratios in the 'box and if you attack turn 9 with a little too much gusto, you can feel the rear end do a little steering for you. Splits over the timed lap were 17.1, 11.7, 13.5, 19.6 & 21.5. The best sector times I managed were
16.8, 11.6, 13.4, 19.6 & 21.5 so dipping down to a 1:22:9xx isn't dreaming.

@Bowtie-muscle
Lap time: 1:23:846 DC: 9.2
Impression of the tune:
This is a tune with a trustworthy front end & crazy good turn-in but if you stray onto an outside kerb, you're going for a wild ride. It's got very good power down out of turn 2 and is solid everywhere else. As I've mentioned previously, the final two ratios in the gearbox are too long & that has cost it time in a field as closely stacked as this.
Split times over the timed lap were
17.1, 11.7, 13.4, 19.8 & 21.6. The best sector times I managed were 16.9, 11.6, 13.3, 19.6 & 21.6.

@MrGrado
Lap time: 1:24:321 DC: 8.9
Impression of the tune:
I found this tune to be the edgiest of the whole field. It has a front end so endowed with grip the rear can't keep up. When it oversteers it's very hard to catch the slide. I had turn-in oversteer at turns 1, 5 & 9. A little more grip in the rear & it would be almost perfect. Like Motor City Hami's tune, it's got short gearing that had the tachometer in the red into turns 1 & 5. The timed lap had sector times of 17.0, 11.8, 13.6, 20.0 & 21.8. The best sector times I managed were 16.8, 11.6, 13.5, 19.5 & 21.6 so it's potential is much better than I could produce over one lap.

@fordracer
Lap time: 1:24:739 DC: 8.5
Impression of the tune:
This tune has a rear end that's more planted than an old growth forest! Unfortunately the front is too prone to understeer with the front tyres cherry red in the turns. As someone who doesn't play well with a vague front end, this had an effect on my times. It puts it's power down really well at turn 2 but the understeer meant I had to wait at turn 9 before I could get back to the throttle. The same can be said about turn 4 which ultimately affected speed down the long straight towards turn 5. Sector times from the timed lap were 17.1, 11.7, 13.7, 20.0 & 22.1 with my best sectors being 17.0, 11.6, 13.5, 19.9 & 21.9.

@Ridox2JZGTE
Lap time: 1:24:921 DC: 8.8
Impression of the tune:
I can only describe this tune as a case of what could've been. I tried really hard to stitch together a quick lap but when this one gets away from you it's gone forever. The front end is good in slow to medium speed corners but falls into understeer in the high speed stuff. I had to be really patient with the power down out of turn 2 & I feel it's hurt by the low downforce levels meaning it can't carry a high corner speed. The timed lap produced sectors of 17.3, 11.7, 13.6, 20.1 & 22.0. The best sector times I managed were
17.0, 11.6, 13.4, 19.9 & 21.8.

@xande1959
Lap time: 1:24:940 DC: 7.9
Impression of the tune:
This tune, more than any other here, was hurt by the choice of gear ratios. It was hard to decide wether to use 2nd or 3rd at turn 2 and 3rd or 4th at turns 4 & 8. Adding to the woes was the fact 5th gear was too long for this track. On the positive side was it's power down traction out of turn 2, it's consistency, the ability to save a slide and the way it is unaffected by riding the kerbs. The timed lap had sector split times of 17.2, 11.8, 13.5, 19.9 & 22.3. The best sectors I managed were 17.2, 11.7, 13.5, 19.9 & 22.0.

@sinof1337
Lap time: 1:25:427 DC: 8.0
Impression of the tune:
This tune has the lowest combined downforce of all the tunes. If it understeers, it's of the terminal variety & lifting off the power won't rescue the situation. That made it very hard to commit & trust the front end and be consistent. The timed lap had sector split times of 17.4, 11.7, 13.7, 20.2 & 22.2. The best sector times I managed were 17.2, 11.7, 13.4, 19.9 & 22.0.
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Thanks for the review, and for hosting this great event. Feedback always appreciated.
 
Motor City Hami
I should also work up an averaged transmission, but the only way to do it would be to convert each gearbox to individual gear times the final drive, then reverse engineer it in the game.
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Exactly.
Gear:final to all gears on same line and average of then outer gear and all finals.. What would that look after counting back to average final those individual gears :)
 
This car is not good in my hands. Didn't take me but a few laps to do a 1:23.791 but when I push harder it just falls apart. Won't turn in and then pushes a bit, grabs, then spins. No matter the corner. I've spun on all of them. I used a stock transmission. No thanks.

Edit: Second lap back in my car for an easy 23.501
 
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OdeFinn
Slowly copy pasting with tablet.. :)

1.358641378
0.91910881
0.703410516
0.558162386
0.460422376

2.83

First five.. Now reversing..

3.8449551
2.601077932
1.990651761
1.579599551
1.302995324

Final 2.83
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My numbers vary slightly.

Average Gear box
Initial Final Gear 3.504
Top Speed 127.8(127 mph)
1st 3.845
2nd 2.601
3rd 1.991
4th 1.580
5th 1.303
Final 2.830

Google Sheet

*please note I've never done this so I don' know if the Initial final and top speed will allow for the gears displayed below you may need to adjust the top speed to reach the numbers listed*
 
I'm kinda purist and would try same ratios on different final, identical box on 2.172 Final, just for fun..
2.950969073
1.996304335
1.527807641
1.212328701
1.000037401
F2.172
 
Pete05
@xande1959
Lap time: 1:24:940 DC: 7.9
Impression of the tune:
This tune, more than any other here, was hurt by the choice of gear ratios. It was hard to decide wether to use 2nd or 3rd at turn 2 and 3rd or 4th at turns 4 & 8. Adding to the woes was the fact 5th gear was too long for this track. On the positive side was it's power down traction out of turn 2, it's consistency, the ability to save a slide and the way it is unaffected by riding the kerbs. The timed lap had sector split times of 17.2, 11.8, 13.5, 19.9 & 22.3. The best sectors I managed were 17.2, 11.7, 13.5, 19.9 & 22.0.
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as I told (HAMI) without current time, but transmission left to be desired. Thank you so much
 
DolHaus
Maybe if you took the suspension from one, diff from another, different trans etc. you might be able to build a good car but averages isn't going to provide the solution.
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Normally it works fairly well. @shaunm80 and I use it when building our combo cars. He builds one way I build another we combine them via average and then make final tweaks but a lot of times the average numbers are pretty close to the final product if not final for most items.
 
Otaliema
Normally it works fairly well. @shaunm80 and I use it when building our combo cars. He builds one way I build another we combine them via average and then make final tweaks but a lot of times the average numbers are pretty close to the final product if not final for most items.
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Too many sources and a stock car throwing off things like the alignment, if you took the cars that did the best individual sectors and then averaged it then it could perhaps work.
 
DolHaus
Too many sources and a stock car throwing off things like the alignment, if you took the cars that did the best individual sectors and then averaged it then it could perhaps work.
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I think you would still have @Pete05 car in the mix even with that.
Based on what @coryclifford said the back is too stiff, drop the rear compression damper by 2 and that would prolly solve the issue.
 
Otaliema
I think you would still have @Pete05 car in the mix even with that.
Based on what @coryclifford said the back is too stiff, drop the rear compression damper by 2 and that would prolly solve the issue.
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I see all sorts of conflicting settings that are causing the issues, the settings are sliders to a degree but they are all connected and need to be manipulated together in order to compliment each other. A problem at the back of the car is partially caused by a problem with the front of the car, a problem with turn in can be caused by a problem with the diff that is as a result of a problem with the transmission* and so on, everything is connected. Its like throwing all your favourite foods in a blender and expecting the outcome to be better

*hypothetical situations, not the car itself
 
DolHaus
Thank you for testing and for the review, I'm glad you enjoyed the car :cheers: Bit of a dark horse Pete, never realised you were of the extraterrestrial variety :lol:
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Not a problem :) Now, take me to your leader :P
Motor City Hami
You did that time with a DS3 using x and square? I was going to ask you to do some online racing after this competition was over. Maybe second thinking that decision.

Hey, if we do another race series where we pair up, I call @Pete05 as teammate!

And thanks for the test drive and awesome time.
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Yes, X and square & my thumbs hate me for it :( Thanks for the offer of online racing & teaming up. I'd chew my toes off for the chance but my PS3 isn't online :grumpy:

Otaliema
Great reviews. :wow: to the times.
1:22 :boggled: do you have tires left?
Thank you for all the work you have put into this event. You're doing a great job your first time out 👍
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I've got some very compromising pics of the local tyre dealer so tyre wear isn't an issue :P It's been an eye-opener & I couldn't have done it without you sharing your wisdom & experience. You're work on the google sheets & walking me through posting correctly has been invaluable :bowdown: :cheers:

Bowtie-muscle
Thanks for the review, and for hosting this great event. Feedback always appreciated.
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It's been a pleasure & really well supported by you all :) 👍

xande1959
as I told (HAMI) without current time, but transmission left to be desired. Thank you so much
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When you get the chance, try your settings with my gear ratios. I'm sure you'll go faster :) 👍
 
Pete05
I've got some very compromising pics of the local tyre dealer so tyre wear isn't an issue :P It's been an eye-opener & I couldn't have done it without you sharing your wisdom & experience. You're work on the google sheets & walking me through posting correctly has been invaluable :bowdown: :cheers:
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Must be handy :lol:
Not a problem sir.

coryclifford
Do I use A-1 or cocktail sauce?

I laughed.
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A-1
 
Updated rankings with @Pete05 times loaded in.
BrandsHatch 80's GP Lap Time
1 Motor City Hami 1:24.209 +00.000
2 DolHaus 1:24.556 +0.347
3 Pete05 1:24.614 +0.405
4 Otaliema 1:24.639 +0.430
5 Bowtie-muscle 1:24.877 +0.667

BrandsHatch 80's GP DC Score
1 DolHaus 9.46
2 shaunm80 9.38
3 Bowtie-muscle 9.34
4 Otaliema 9.28
5 MrGrado 9.26

WSR BrandsHatch 80's GP
1:22.882; Motor City Hami's tune Driven By Pete05
Most Consistent OdeFinn 1.217
Fastest Average Pete05 84.107

@Bowtie-muscle @DolHaus @fordracer @Motor City Hami @MrGrado @Otaliema @Pete05 @Ridox2JZGTE @shaunm80
@sinof1337 @xande1959
 

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