F1 stepped nose?

[Raikkonen1337]

seems red bull racing took owen wilson nose for their rb8 nose design

 

[Ardius]

Wrong wrong wrong. Monaco is something else simply put, saying let's say we can overtake blahblahblah. DRS didnt change a single thing this year. And it wont because it's a track out of time.

You were the one who stated that DRS helps overtaking on tracks which are normally difficult to overtake on. Now you say it makes no difference for Monaco. If it doesn't make a difference, why use it if its only going to change things on tracks which already feature overtaking?

However if I want to be a little bit of an ass, I could say that for example that with DRS Senna wouldnt have taken prost out on suzuka but rather would have try to overtake him properly. That's something I would have love to see honestly.

Suzuka 1989 - Prost took Senna out. DRS would have maybe meant Senna would have passed with ease on a straight though Prost could have still turned in on him somewhere else. And even if this incident was prevented, it isn't the purpose of DRS to prevent contact.
Suzuka 1990 - DRS would have made no difference at all as it doesn't come into affect till the 3rd lap and it was the very start of the race. Again, Prost and Senna were always going to make contact.
You seem to be continually returning to the idea that defensive driving = contact and blocking. The examples you give wouldn't be changed with DRS or the new weaving rules and were for the most part inevitable due to personal or political reasons, not as a result of racing on the track.

Weaving and DRS is 2 different things, however weaving now is forbidden in the rules, you can only do 1 change. Check the new rules for this year.

Yes I know, you were the one who stated:
"At least with DRS those kind of things dont happen because they can't move back and forth on the straight."
Suggesting DRS somehow stops people weaving - it doesn't.

You have your opinion I have mine, it's obviously different from yours so why not staying here, there's no need to try to convince me, I've been following F1 for 22 years now and the last year was one of the most exciting for me to follow since the prost-senna era.

I'm not trying to convince you. You responded to my post, I respond to yours. Its called a discussion. If you don't want me to reply to you, don't post. If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it.

We can share opinions and discuss them you know, its not about convicing anyone or forcing beliefs on each other. No one is "right", especially when we are talking about the direction of a sport that creates a million opinions.

 

[joetruckv8]

Now that I've seen all the 2012 chassis, I'm definitely hoping everyone goes with the Mclaren approach to the stepped nose issue

 

[vfrmaverick]

This is actually a very thoughtful idea with significant implications. When combined with anti-wheel interlock features (fenders, etc.) it amounts to dumbing down the cars, meaning that more people, such as sexy women, rich amateurs, movie idols and aging racers can actually drive them, like in Indy Car and NASCAR.

It will greatly improve the show and the bottom line, and the sponsors will be very happy. Unfortunately, ace drivers like Gilles Villenueve and Ayrton Senna will not be anywhere near as valuable.👎

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

What are you talking about? Now a days F1 is more about the car than the driver. Yea every so often one guy is so much better than the rest that he can make a car better than it should be. Take the BGP001 for example. 2 drivers who had been backmarkers for the previous handful of season are suddendly at top of the points.

 

[OK8]

The most beautiful car is the winning car. Personally I don't mind how the new noses look.

 

[GTPorsche]

Now that I've seen all the 2012 chassis, I'm definitely hoping everyone goes with the Mclaren approach to the stepped nose issue

So you know what the Mercedes, Marussia and HRT look like already?

 

[hawkeye122]

So you know what the Mercedes, Marussia and HRT look like already?

He said hoping...

Edit- Ah, now i see what you mean

 

[PAWEL17]

The most beautiful car is the winning car. Personally I don't mind how the new noses look.

It was true with the Brawn, and almost true with the dissapointing Mclaren of Kimi and Montoya(2005 i think), Fastest car on the grid, but unfortunatley, too much bad luck. But then again, last year Mercedes was the prettiest.

 

[gorsad]

Just to make sure people don't get Felipe Massa confused with Fernanado Alonso, Ferrari have decided to paint Felipe's entire rear wing fluorescent yellow.

 

[Tesla]

It's like they've gotten a pre-schooler to colour it in with a highlighter.

 

[TayTheDay]

I thought it was just a reflection from his (light bulb) helmet!

 

[GTPorsche]

They must have been checking the airflow around the wings on that run.

 

[Lizard]

Just to make sure people don't get Felipe Massa confused with Fernanado Alonso, Ferrari have decided to paint Felipe's entire rear wing fluorescent yellow.

Thats areo paint it shows the airflow over the painted area.

 

[gorsad]

Thats areo paint it shows the airflow over the painted area.

I know, I was just joking.

 

[Seismica]

Just to make sure people don't get Felipe Massa confused with Fernanado Alonso, Ferrari have decided to paint Felipe's entire rear wing fluorescent yellow.

Thats areo paint it shows the airflow over the painted area.

Massa must have a pretty draggy head otherwise they wouldn't have covered his helmet in flow-vis paint

 

[Exorcet]

Low noses don't generate significant downforce. An underbody splitter given clean air that comes in underneath a high nose gives you lots of it. A no-brainer there, if you're limited in how much wing you can run by regulations. Even better, as we see in current car designs, that underbody tray can be used to channel air around to the rear diffuser, which is even more useful now that rear wings are so small.

A low nose could potentially develop a lot of downforce, but F1 cars have very narrow noses to reduce drag. This means they have less surface area to work with, and this would limit how much downforce they could produce.

With this car, the idea was to make use of the existing nose (the wing is a retrofit) to minimize wing size and weight. The fences jutting out of the nose are channeling air underneath and the constricting area speeds it up greatly, effectively making the wing the run width from tip to tip.

You could possibly enhance downforce by putting a diffuser under the nose. This car doesn't have room for that, but a F1 might.

Yep, ground effect cars were banned - firstly with the ban on the skirts used to contain the low pressure area, later with the requirement for a 'stepped floor' - because they were considered too dangerous. If air managed to enter the underbody the car would simply "take off".

This had major consequences because it made the aero devices that work above the car's floor all too important. Hence the "processional" racing we met a few years ago.

You actually want as much air as possible to get under the car. The problems were severe sensitivity to changes in ground clearance and taking off when the angle of attack became positive. Raising the ground clearance and equipping the car with wings helps these issues.

 

[joetruckv8]

See the Mercedes teams know how to develop good looking stepped noses!

 

[GTPorsche]

Yeah, it's a bit like saying "I'm better at breaking noses than the other bullies are".

 

[joetruckv8]

I was just watching the replay races from the 2011 season, and I noticed that Mercedes chassis kind of had this design going on already. If you check out the W02 design you can see what I mean. I'll watch this season because I'm a die hard fan, but I'm going to need them to change that nose to something more appealing like the two Mercedes design! Lets also see whats up Adrian Neweys sleeve with this mail slot size opening in the front of there stepped nose that is supposedly too cool of the drivers feet. Like one guy said earlier "what if it rains then what?" if they don't cover it we'll know what their up too.

 

[Prince.M5]

So, since the Marussia car thread is locked, I'd just post it here that Marussia is following McLaren to not have a stepped-nose.

That means we will have 2 cars with no stepped nose on the grid this year it seems.