Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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LogiForce
Never had those pedals, but I can imagine the frustration of standing in line assembling something that is a pain to assemble. I think the assembly line looks great and organized in a good manner, and the CSW looks easy to assemble. Makes it easier to replace parts yourself later as well if needed.
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LOL I would never consider this when collecting information about a new product. Normally no one should have to replace parts by himself. Normally nothing should get broken anyway :crazy:

This whole "we-send-you-parts-and-you-change-it-by-your-own-policy" of some companies is nothing but a joke to me. If something gets broken, I send it back and the company has to ensure that they return it in working condition. Or they send a replacement. If I had wanted to become a technician, I would have chosen this job.
 
Mahnegold
LOL I would never consider this when collecting information about a new product. Normally no one should have to replace parts by himself. Normally nothing should get broken anyway :crazy:

This whole "we-send-you-parts-and-you-change-it-by-your-own-policy" of some companies is nothing but a joke to me. If something gets broken, I send it back and the company has to ensure that they return it in working condition. Or they send a replacement. If I had wanted to become a technician, I would have chosen this job.
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I guess I am not normal. Ever since I was a little child (even before I could walk) I took apart things out of interest like turntables. Then I made IT a hobby and later a job. So to think about the technical stuff is just second nature to me. You are correct that a product should never break down in within its life expectancy (computer parts have a minimum life expectancy of 3 years). However if something breaks for whatever reason (and no product is perfect) and having the choice to replace parts easily is a win for either yourself or the technical support of the company you send your product to. After all, the easier and thus faster it is to fix something by either party, the sooner you will enjoy the product again after the unfortunate incident.

Besides, most companies I know offer send in and repair first, then replacement and in some cases when you ask the company is willing to send you the parts for replacing them yourself. Besides in the communication with a company you can always mention you are not technical experienced enough to replace anything yourself, to which they of course will take appropriate action by suggesting sending it in for either repair or replacement.

So yeah, sorry for thinking in such an odd manner. ;)
 
No criticism to you Logi. Only a different view.

In my case I have to differentiate a bit. I always build my PC's by my own. I also have a bakground in RC car racing. I have built several kits, tuned and raced them. But I do it only when it is a fun for me.

But there are other things where I am not willing to tinker about. Some examples:

- everything which is under warranty
- TV's
- Hifi-Components
- gaming consoles
- wheels (especially expensive wheels when under warranty)
- my car
- home (electrical, water, heating)
 
Mahnegold
This whole "we-send-you-parts-and-you-change-it-by-your-own-policy" of some companies is nothing but a joke to me.
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Well warranty is just 2 years for CSW also and I am pleased that Fanatec will carry replacement parts for that wheel. (please correct if I have misunderstood something)
 
Raitziger
Well warranty is just 2 years for CSW also and I am pleased that Fanatec will carry replacement parts for that wheel. (please correct if I have misunderstood something)
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I am talking more about the time during warranty.

But do they really have spare parts available after your warranty expires? I remember a guy who had a defective FFB motor in his Porsche Turbo S wheel (no warranty any more). He asked Fanatec, if they can sell him a replacement motor. They answered "no, we do not have any parts. To give you a motor we would have to remove it from a new wheel." I do not remember the end of the story...
 
Mahnegold
I am talking more about the time during warranty.

But do they really have spare parts available after your warranty expires? I remember a guy who had a defective FFB motor in his Porsche Turbo S wheel (no warranty any more). He asked Fanatec, if they can sell him a replacement motor. They answered "no, we do not have any parts. To give you a motor we would have to remove it from a new wheel." I do not remember the end of the story...
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Production cycle for the CSW was 10 years max I believe Thomas said at some point. So there should be spare parts over a longer period of time.
 
LogiForce
Production cycle for the CSW was 10 years max I believe Thomas said at some point. So there should be spare parts over a longer period of time.
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Let's hope the best. Because in the past there was (for my taste) a bit too often a discrepancy between his announcements and the facts later.
 
lemansfanatic
I know its a little off topic but since there is no real news on Fanatec prods for a while can I ask if anyone knows anything about modding the G27 ffb levels? In this video, at 0:34 seconds in they describe a modified G27 with 3 times the level of ffb, has anyone tried this? If the csw is not powerful enough i wonder if this kind of mod would also be possible.
Anyways, here's my dream setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDMjJTieRBg&sns=em
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That's the arc team mod. They reviewed it on isr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHe0O6UcMK8
 
LogiForce
Also you are confusing me with a GTplanet moderator or administrator I think. I had to manage applications and a poll, not the happenings within this forum. So that job is as good as over. Only have to see through it that multiple reviews go into one thread, mine and Mayaman his review. Which just boils down to asking politely rather then managing much.
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I think perhaps it was a bit of a sarcasm to remind you to not get too big for your britches. One of the forum's primary functions is to allow others to express their personal opinions, no matter how disagreeable we may find their views to be.

LogiForce
The reason China got so big is because at first the USA (shortly followed by Europe) moved their production over to China, because of the continues search for cheaper production and thus more profit as the prices never dropped. And since Americans think mainly of short term profit, they were the first to reckon that there was money to be saved by bringing production over seas. Europeans think on a slightly longer term and thus were a bit more cautious in them taking action. But all in all it is thanks to ourselves that we bring all the work to China still, because we are too afraid to pay more for the goods. However look at what Henry Ford did, he said that he payed his employees well and made things locally as to boost the local economy and effectively given the employees the income to buy his products again. Thus effectively helping to feed the families of his fellow countrymen, having local production, creating a fixed set of customers, having free advertising for being a good employer who even lets his employees have cars and his cars got more recognition as they drove around more.
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I appreciate your effort in trying to educate us on world history and business practices in recent times. I would suggest that you go back to some text books and do a bit a reading before making such proclamations in order to insure the accuracy of your statements, not to mention that it is grossly off-topic.

Fanatec...
Hard to believe but we force those poor childrens to work even on Saturdays so that the rich people in the western countries have something to play with.
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Its ok, even big bad factories in the USA have Saturday shifts to make products for those who can afford to buy them.

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Nastradamus87
I enjoyed the sneak peak of the assembly line. I would have though that more of the assembly would be automated.
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There is a high probability that the assembly line in the video is not truly indicative of CSW production.
REASON: I believe these are the pre-production units slated for CT, Promotional, and review purposes.
Assembly is like anything else, you have to do a few trial runs before you get it down.
Line automation and line work station setup is usually implemented or fine-tuned after a few "hands on" manual production runs in order to verify that specified tolerances are confirmed to be accurate first.

Not to mention that with a niche product like the CSW, automation may never be fully implemented.
Automation costs money, and unless you are cranking out widgets (CSWs) at a rate high enough to justify the capital expenditure, the most cost-effective means available for the production volume will be utilized to attain profit.
 
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JogoAsobi
I think perhaps it was a bit of a sarcasm to remind you to not get too big for your britches. One of the forum's primary functions is to allow others to express their personal opinions, no matter how disagreeable we may find their views to be.

I appreciate your effort in trying to educate us on world history and business practices in recent times. I would suggest that you go back to some text books and do a bit a reading before making such proclamations in order to insure the accuracy of your statements, not to mention that it is grossly off-topic.
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Okay, saying he should keep his opinion to himself was going too far a bit to achieve my goal. Which wasn't actually to shut him up, but the opposite. To think before one speaks and to have a deeper discussion about our views on this. It is not off topic as it was about his concerns of child labor being used to produce our toys. Which is a valid concern. So yeah, it was more of a provocation as nobody has the authority to silence someone in my opinion. I personally would not let a random person from the Internet silence me and I hope everyone on the Internet thinks the same.

Also about history. The one in our textbooks is often flawed or twisted. Certainly when the point in history is further behind us as information passes from generation to generation and we continue to make new textbooks for our children to learn from with different ways of presenting the information to them, which can or can't be accurate. After all us humans are not perfect. Everyone saw this effect when in primary school they say down in a circle and whispered info in each others ear passing it around.
So yeah, I am sure that even when going into textbooks I would not be 100% accurate, but I do think my point got across and that is what matters the most this time around.

Also everyone is of course free to go against me and my views. After all the point of a forum is to discuss this and topics in fora have the tendency to temporarily go off topic to later return the the topic at hand.

But yeah, now I have gone off topic in defense.

Edited: quote adjusted to be more accurate according to the response as mentioned by JogoAsobi below.
 
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LogiForce
But yeah, now I have gone off topic in defense.
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No offense, but perhaps you have a lot of time on your hands? Your post count for the time you have been a member is far greater than many people who post quite frequently and have been members for years...

You might want to check my comments you quoted, you grabbed my response to Fanatec's post as well, which was mean't in jest, and had nothing to do with your reply, as well as my Fanatec automation comments.
Bit sloppy from a prolific poster like you.

EDIT: Thanks for correcting your post.
 
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I recall an article about the textbooks Chinese children were taught in school. And about how bad western cultures morals were and really made the USA seem like they should not only not to be trusted, but hated. So we are all a product of our socialogic circles and agree than not all the information we are given about foreign countries in the textbooks or media should always be taken as fact. I digress... How did i get sucked into this? i bow out
 
lemansfanatic
So we are all a product of our socialogic circles and agree than not all the information we are given about foreign countries in the textbooks or media should always be taken as fact. I digress... How did i get sucked into this? i bow out
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Exactly on the money, happens in every country I have been to.
Let's all stop here (me included), because there is no end to this type of discussion, and that was not my intent.
 
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JogoAsobi
No offense, but perhaps you have a lot of time on your hands? Your post count for the time you have been a member is far greater than many people who post quite frequently and have been members for years...

You might want to check my comments you quoted, you grabbed my response to Fanatec's post as well, which was mean't in jest, and had nothing to do with your reply, as well as my Fanatec automation comments.
Bit sloppy from a prolific poster like you.
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I have too much time on my hands indeed due to me having health issues and thus no work currently. So if you have a problem with that, I am sorry. However as mentioned earlier I will move in a month or so. So don't let my post count bother you too much.

The reason I was lazy is because I have visitors at home currently, but felt I had to respond to your post. How I handle my visitors of course might not be according to everyone's customs, but I handle it in my own way and thus decided on a quick reply.

I agree on stopping the debate. Let us go move on to the more fun stuff. The toys will be in your hands and under your feet soon guys. Now let's hope the shifter will soon follow, and I hope for FFB in the shifter to give us the gear crunching feel on a missed shift. :)
 
We have no Tesco here. I feel so left out. :(
I will eat some home made cheesecake though. Ha! Although not whilst testing. It would destroy the alcantara if something got on it. lol
 
Any news about a pack including CSRE+CSP? Do you see possible a price drop as happened with CSR?

It would also be nice to find a XL pack for gt2 wheel as well.

Im looking for a 360 compatible wheel and dont like CSR materials at all :(
 
*skipped reading like some 50 pages in this thread*

...so I hope the answer to this question was not in there :embarrassed:

But is it known if the CSW will be a kind of CSR / Elite on steroids when it comes to ffb, or how it otherwise will be different in quality, options, and worth the preference over either CSR if you use it 99% of the time on the PS3 and NOT on a PC - if you neglect the most obvious option to replace rims?
 
I think general knowledge now is that CSW will have basically same base as the elite. If there are improvements, I am sure they will be introduced also to elite. So it is the rims, lifespan of 10years, future upgrades, large amount of buttons, quick release, and of course also feeling that you have the ultimate thing (ok no reviews yet but well all know this already :) ).

So would I take CSR-E if the rim was round and high quality? Maybe, but that just is not an option at the moment. I have seen what xbox FFB is at it's core compared to PC-standard, so I won't likely miss a bit if CSW is not supported in Xbox 720. Loosing PS4 support would be deal breaker however, just got be able to play one of the leading car games.
 
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Raitziger
I think general knowledge now is that CSW will have basically same base as the elite. If there are improvements, I am sure they will be introduced also to elite. So it is the rims, lifespan of 10years, future upgrades, large amount of buttons, quick release, and of course also feeling that you have the ultimate thing (ok no reviews yet but well all know this already :) ).

So would I take CSR-E if the rim was round and high quality? Maybe, but that just is not an option at the moment. I have seen what xbox FFB is at is core compared to PC-standard, so I won't likely miss a bit if CSW is not supported in Xbox 720. Loosing PS4 support would be deal breaker however, just got be able to play one of the leading car games.
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Hopefully the CSW will function with all future consoles.
PC / PS3 already support HID and the only reason the next xbox would continue to use XID is because M$FT just want to control who will make peripherals for their console.
 
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The biggest difference in strength is that with the CSW you will have the option to boost Ffb levels over %100 of whatever games max is. So for example if you were playing a game that doesnt code enough ffb you could boost it above the max. Overall they will have the same internal hardware components except for the circuitry and some added buttons, but for me, the option to give a game more ffb than it already has is the best feature for me. I will however have to wait and see if this actually works in the reviews...
 
superbike81
Raitziger: Thomas has already said that the CSW will have more features than the CSR-E.
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Yes. And I think I mentioned the ones we know(didn't I ?) and "future upgrades" cover the rest.

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"The data port and support for more buttons, encoders, and switches is the biggest deal to me."

Ok. Thanks for info!
 
Raitziger
I think general knowledge now is that CSW will have basically same base as the elite. If there are improvements, I am sure they will be introduced also to elite. So it is the rims, lifespan of 10years, future upgrades, large amount of buttons, quick release, and of course also feeling that you have the ultimate thing (ok no reviews yet but well all know this already :) ).

So would I take CSR-E if the rim was round and high quality? Maybe, but that just is not an option at the moment. I have seen what xbox FFB is at it's core compared to PC-standard, so I won't likely miss a bit if CSW is not supported in Xbox 720. Loosing PS4 support would be deal breaker however, just got be able to play one of the leading car games.
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If the Xbox 720 still uses XID then the Elite will be the best wheel for Forza 5. If the Xbox 720 uses HID then the Elite will be the second best wheel after the CSW. If the Xbox 720 uses a new protocol, then :(

I still hesitate to cancel my Elite preorder for a CSW. But Turn 10 could do some huge thing with FM5.

I have tried to know a little bit more about the new Microsoft console but people who know about it could not say anything (nda).
 

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