Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

[Shinu]

You know what? I will take you with me to the next Sony Meeting we have. Then you can ask a view questions and make a fact check. ;-)

I am not asking that all of you understand complicated and sometimes irritating or strange company policies but there is no reason for us to lie. Our wheels have better compatibility than any other wheels on the market. We have proven that we do absolutely everything to get Maximum compatibility. But at the end we are not the platform owner and can only follow the rules or have no compatibility at all.
Oh and of Course we could do something illegal and go to jail for you. We hope you understand that this is not an option for us.

I'm not saying that you in particular are lying (And you don't have to take it personally), but it is coming from all sides Sony,Logitech etc.

You have to understand that it pisses off consumers in general.

No one is giving straight answers (most of the time).


I like your products. Even tho they broke but support was excellent and I respect that.


Honestly If I would have knew that support is going to be dropped (even tho it was partial). I probably would have ended sim-racing in general. (Strangely enough I'm a PC sim-racer mostly)

 

[skazz]

Thrustmaster's apparent schmoozing aside; Sony's 180º on developers being able to offer support to whatever wheel they wanted, to now the wheel needing to be licensed is the bigger issue. Why renege on what was a gamer friendly policy?

That is indeed the question. I bet the answer is not so much "money" as "support challenges".

If we're being honest, the Microsoft approach is much clearer for the consumer: Only licensed wheels are supported, all licensed wheels will be supported. No doubts in there. No waiting and hoping on wheel support lists, or issues with partially supported wheels.

Sony may have decided at this stage of the console lifespan that they are now in a position to do the same, given that PS4 users now have wheels available from multiple vendors at all sorts of price ranges (T80, T150, G29, T300, soon CSL and TM GT Sport official wheel).

 

[Shinu]

That is indeed the question. I bet the answer is not so much "money" as "support challenges".

If we're being honest, the Microsoft approach is much clearer for the consumer: Only licensed wheels are supported, all licensed wheels will be supported. No doubts in there. No waiting and hoping on wheel support lists, or issues with partially supported wheels.

Sony may have decided at this stage of the console lifespan that they are now in a position to do the same, given that PS4 users now have wheels available from multiple vendors at all sorts of price ranges (T80, T150, G29, T300, soon CSL and TM GT Sport official wheel).

But at least Microsoft supports rims.

Oh how things have changed. I remember pluging cheap Trust wheel to my ps3 and playing GTHD.

 

[paskowitz]

Again, folks... it is easy to be mad at Fanatec, but their objective is to sell wheels, just as ours is to buy them. We are friends. Sony are the ones who deserve the ire.

What I don't get is how many people called into Sony saying "My Logimastertec CSTG27RS doesn't plug into my PS3 and work good, please help or I will no longer buy PlayStation stuff." If you are spending upwards of $300 on video game accessory, for a select few video games, of which are in a niche genre, chances are you are not the person quoted above. Was this really such an issue they had to make it a PIA for Fanatec, Logitech and Thrustmaster?

User experience is not reliant on the base since a PS4 wheel rim would solve that. Maybe Sony doesn't see it that way, but that would be pretty arbitrary.

Now, there are other issues I am sure. Security being one. Spoofing USB devices is no joke. So if that was the issue, fair game. However, most fight sticks work soooo just sending controller input shouldn't be an issue.

I guess what makes this situation so frustrating is that Sony hasn't stated what their policy is and why, which only leaves us to assume it is illegitimate (rightfully or wrongfully).

All this is Sony's loss though. If they want GT Sport to be an "E Sport" or really any "E Sport" sim racing on console then there are going to have to be a wide variety of cost effective FFB wheel solutions available. This is why GT Academy was such a success. Imagine what the fighting game community would be like if there were only 3 $400-700 fight sticks available. This is one of the main reasons why Mobas have flourished on the PC, the cost of entry is low. If GT Sport's competitive aspects flounder, maybe we will see a change.

It is up to us to vote with our wallets, not just forum comments.

 

[Shinu]

Now, there are other issues I am sure. Security being one. Spoofing USB devices is no joke.

Funny thing it that is what people are going to do.

I understand user confusion, in that case you add rim with official buttons and such. This whole thing is annoying.

Just like "No Mans sky gonna have a multiplayer".

That is just teasing the consumer with might and ifs which are basically lies.

 

[K1LLD0z3R]

Again, folks... it is easy to be mad at Fanatec, but their objective is to sell wheels, just as ours is to buy them. We are friends. Sony are the ones who deserve the ire.

What I don't get is how many people called into Sony saying "My Logimastertec CSTG27RS doesn't plug into my PS3 and work good, please help or I will no longer buy PlayStation stuff." If you are spending upwards of $300 on video game accessory, for a select few video games, of which are in a niche genre, chances are you are not the person quoted above. Was this really such an issue they had to make it a PIA for Fanatec, Logitech and Thrustmaster?

User experience is not reliant on the base since a PS4 wheel rim would solve that. Maybe Sony doesn't see it that way, but that would be pretty arbitrary.

Now, there are other issues I am sure. Security being one. Spoofing USB devices is no joke. So if that was the issue, fair game. However, most fight sticks work soooo just sending controller input shouldn't be an issue.

I guess what makes this situation so frustrating is that Sony hasn't stated what their policy is and why, which only leaves us to assume it is illegitimate (rightfully or wrongfully).

All this is Sony's loss though. If they want GT Sport to be an "E Sport" or really any "E Sport" sim racing on console then there are going to have to be a wide variety of cost effective FFB wheel solutions available. This is why GT Academy was such a success. Imagine what the fighting game community would be like if there were only 3 $400-700 fight sticks available. This is one of the main reasons why Mobas have flourished on the PC, the cost of entry is low. If GT Sport's competitive aspects flounder, maybe we will see a change.

It is up to us to vote with our wallets, not just forum comments.

I'll concur to direct my ire at Sony. It certainly appears there are people in high up positions making decisions about things they know nothing about.

I spent a large sum of money on CSW V2, CSP V2, CSP V3, BMW rim, F1 rim and a solid rig to mount them to. I own a PS3, have enjoyed playing GT5p, GT5 and continue to enjoy playing GT6. I always figured my hardware would be solid for a PS4. I'm glad I have held off on my PS4 purchase, because it's looking more like a PC build and Assetta Corsa.

 

[PzR Slim]

I have no problems with Fanatec. They have provided me with excellent equipment for the past 10 years. And when the Xbox one hub came along I bought it immediately. It was a great low cost solution. Why the same hasn't happened for PS4 I don't know but the latest info would suggest that it is not going to happen. And that can only be down to SONY. I spend a lot of money on gaming and SONY will be seeing a lot less of that in the future.

 

[Leadfoot53]

Hey guys, I just wanted to share my First Look/Impressions of the Fanatec CSL Elite Wheel and Pedal Set! Fanatec sent me a set to take a look at, and it arrived at my door just 5 hours ago First glance/look, it feels pretty beefy! The Pedals feel quite solid, yet streamlined at the same time. For more, take a look at this video:



Feel free to ask me any questions too!

 

[skazz]

Hey guys, I just wanted to share my First Look/Impressions of the Fanatec CSL Elite Wheel and Pedal Set! Fanatec sent me a set to take a look at, and it arrived at my door just 5 hours ago First glance/look, it feels pretty beefy! The Pedals feel quite solid, yet streamlined at the same time. For more, take a look at this video:



Feel free to ask me any questions too!

In your video you talk about a "lump" dead center on your Thrustmaster wheel. I've found that, unlike my previous Fanatec belt driven wheel, the Thrustmaster belts seem to form a lump on the belt at the place you store the wheel. If you rotate your wheel to one of the end stops when not in use it avoids any lumpy feeling around center.

Other than that, I'm looking forward to your next video on the CSL. Thanks for sharing

 

[super_gt]

 

[LeMansAid]

CSL - Because the world was crying out for a sim set up befitting the finest in bathroom finishes.

A bold aesthetic choice, and one that I quite like.

 

[paskowitz]

I actually really like the look of it. Doesn't look "cheap" at all.

 

[12thgear]

CSL - Because the world was crying out for a sim set up befitting the finest in bathroom finishes.

Ha! As soon as a saw the new wheel base I was wondering why they put a kitchen backsplash on it. I don't think that look will age well. The integrated rev lights are a good idea, though it would have been nice if that pod was height adjustable.

I'm very anxious to see inside the new base. I assume a lot of the solid parts have been replaced with cheaper stampings. I'd also expect that it's back to a toothed belt and gear drive. I'm also curious about whether it's an optical or magnetic sensor, and where the sensor is mounted.

 

[gt_fan]

Not to rain on anyone's parade but we still don't have a wheel that we can use on an xbox one and a ps4.

I was hoping that the CSL would be that and was willing to pay a premium for that.

From where I'm sitting, it's just another pc / xbox wheel and costs double a T300 / TX ie. T300 wheel and pedals - A$449. CSL wheel and LC pedals A$1060. I'll have to hang on to my GT2 until it breaks.

 

[Nick Moxley]

how the F can the Aussie price be THAT much more than the US price.

@Fanatec...

 

[FMW]

I see that Fanatec are working on a PS4 wheel solution right? Yes? No? What we do know is that the CSL is a definite no go per the "this wheel base will never be able to be updated for PS compatibility". What has not been said, and I'm sure we will have to wait until all the ink is dry, that there may be a CSW VII PS wheel rim or hub like the Xbox?

If there's a PS4 purpose built wheel, I'm in. If there's a PS4 hub to make the current items licensed and simpatico, I'm good too. If Fanatec can't enter the PS4 high end wheel market...a real bummer. I like their stuff.

 

[K_Soze]

It seems to be a PS4 wheel _BASE_ solution... So it is time to sell my PS4 and to go 100% PC.... The console market is the place to be ripped.

 

[mister dog]

Any reason why CSL pedals aren't compatible with the CSR/ Porsche wheels? I happen to own both of them and if it wasn't for the incompatibility i would have ordered the full pedal set tonight...

If i want an upgrade, i'm basically forced to shelve out 700 bucks on a wheelbase and rim to go with those pedals. That is too much for me seeing i have 2 wheels that work perfectly.

 

[skazz]

Any reason why CSL pedals aren't compatible with the CSR/ Porsche wheels? I happen to own both of them and if it wasn't for the incompatibility i would have ordered the full pedal set tonight...

If i want an upgrade, i'm basically forced to shelve out 700 bucks on a wheelbase and rim to go with those pedals. That is too much for me seeing i have 2 wheels that work perfectly.

On PC surely you can run the CSL pedals via USB and all will be fine?

 

[mister dog]

On PC surely you can run the CSL pedals via USB and all will be fine?

I didn't even realize you could do it like that.
My CSR pedals are connected only to my wheel, so i thought that must have been the industry standard

@Fanatec... do these pedals fit a wheelstandpro?

 

[skazz]

Just to put your mind at ease, while I was using the T300, TH8A and Fanatec Clubsport pedals trio, each with their own USB plug, I had no trouble configuring them in any of the following sims:
IRacing, AC, pCARS, RaceRoom, Euro Trucksim, DiRT Rally, rFactor 2.

FanaLEDs gives some options for using the Clubsport pedals stand-alone (e.g. Use of the ABS rumble motor). However, the CSL pedals shouldn't have need of anything other than just the drivers, so no worries there either.

 

[fatkrakr]

Hey guys, I just wanted to share my First Look/Impressions of the Fanatec CSL Elite Wheel and Pedal Set! Fanatec sent me a set to take a look at, and it arrived at my door just 5 hours ago First glance/look, it feels pretty beefy! The Pedals feel quite solid, yet streamlined at the same time. For more, take a look at this video:



Feel free to ask me any questions too!

Could you take the cover off the wheel base so we can see the internals of it? You know we all want to see it.

 

[Shinu]

https://www.fanatec.com/forum/discu...net&utm_campaign=General+Links&a_aid=gtplanet

God damn it. Releasing PS4 hub (If Sony is being so stubborn) would be basic thing (and a must) to do for us CSW v2 users. I'm happy that it is a possibility but mad that it is even a question.

I understand that they (Sony) might want there compatible products to have PS buttons, have full menu support. That requires some new internals to do DS4 like "handshake".

Buying a hub/rim might be as pricey, but for me it somehow hurts less, then buying a new base.

 

[K1LLD0z3R]

https://www.fanatec.com/forum/discu...net&utm_campaign=General+Links&a_aid=gtplanet

God damn it. Releasing PS4 hub (If Sony is being so stubborn) would be basic thing (and a must) to do for us CSW v2 users. I'm happy that it is a possibility but mad that it is even a question.

I understand that they (Sony) might want there compatible products to have PS buttons, have full menu support. That requires some new internals to do DS4 like "handshake".

Buying a hub/rim might be as pricey, but for me it somehow hurts less, then buying a new base.

It was designed to quickly change wheel rims. I'm okay with it. Now please let happen.

 

[Mike_grpA]

how the F can the Aussie price be THAT much more than the US price.

@Fanatec...

Because companies love ripping off Aussies lol. Fanatec's CSW CSP Forza pack costs over 2 grand here lol. I'd never pay that much for what is essentially a glorified toy. I could get a set of good coilovers and a full catback exhaust for my car for that haha.

 

[Fanatec...]

Because companies love ripping off Aussies lol. Fanatec's CSW CSP Forza pack costs over 2 grand here lol. I'd never pay that much for what is essentially a glorified toy. I could get a set of good coilovers and a full catback exhaust for my car for that haha.

It is actually the other way around. First of all your goverment rips you off and adds GST.

Then australian companies rip us off and therefore our logistic costs are much higher than in other regions.

Or it is no rip off at all and just a normal calculation.

 

[Mike_grpA]

It is actually the other way around. First of all your goverment rips you off and adds GST.

Then australian companies rip us off and therefore our logistic costs are much higher than in other regions.

Or it is no rip off at all and just a normal calculation.

The GST on that deal would be ~$230. That leaves ~$2100 on the price cobber. Still outrageously expensive, and still ~$250 more than the US price.

Another way to put it is, with just the difference in the US and the Aus prices for that exact same product, you could buy a Thrustmaster T300. So at ~$2300aud, I could either buy that CSW Forza pack, or I could buy a T300 - $450, BC Gold full adjustable coilovers for my car - $1200, and a 2.5" mandrel bent catback exhaust for it - $600, and I'd still have $50 left for a carton of beer.

Now I know, a CSW setup is clearly superior to a T300, but is it worth as much as a T300, good coilovers, a sports exhaust, and a carton of beer? I know which deal I'd prefer lol.

 

[Fanatec...]

Cheers!

 

[Mike_grpA]

We did eveything we can and this was much more than any other Company did or can you see any other old gen wheels compatible to PS4?

Yes, the T500 and T100 are both last-gen wheels, but are still supported in-game on PS4, like your wheels used to be. Is there absolutely no way you can negotiate with Sony to allow this with your older wheels? There are a lot of people who own your old cheaper Porsche branded wheels that would appreciate this if it was possible, and if not, they are likely the people who will jump ship to Logitech and Thrustmaster, considering your new entry level wheel is about double the price of your competitors'.

 

[Fanatec...]

You are right about the T500RS. TI forgot to insert the word "unlicensed".

I cannot see that our new CSL Elite is double the price than a T500. Please Keep in mind that our entry level starts at a Level where other companies have their high-end model.

We will only follow the rules of Sony and they do not want to have any unlicensed wheels on PS4 anymore. If this will change then we can we are more than happy from our side to make our old wheels compatible like we did before.