Few of my friends play anymore.

[photonrider]

@Voodoovaj - You're a man after my own heart.

Obviously he's not alone in finding the game lonely:

It's been almost a month since I last played the game, it just got too stale for me, I can't leave the SR S/DR B rank no matter what I do after the changes made on the last update.

A month before that, no friend on my list was playing this game anymore.

So I guess you're not alone, OP

I agree 100% with the OP. Everything you said is spot on. I thought I was one of the only ones who felt like this. During the GT5-6 days, there were several of us who would play hours a day, few days/week for years. The lobbies we ran were full almost every time. If there was no one I knew online, I could easily find another open lobby that ran similar regs as we did (usually street cars 300-500 pp on sort tires) and there were many to choose from. Now the options for a good street car room are almost non-existent.

I'm with you Voodoo, seems like the glory days are behind us. The volume of players in open lobbies seems way down compared to GT5-6. A limited car selection compared to GT5-6. Tracks were better in 5-6. BoP is broken for N class cars. Most people want to run GR.3.

Daily races in Sport Mode can be fun, but too competitive and mismatched. Leagues can be fun too, but again, often too competitive, too regulated, and I can't just show up whenever I want to race, and drive whatever car I want to drive.

There's a lot of good things going on with this game and I enjoy it, but GT5-6 had a certain magic that GTS does not have.

Whatever the stats - it's not going to make some people feel less lonely.
And there seem to be many echoing @Voodoovaj's thoughts - there is an element missing in the game.

This is where PD took a bold step - and where things could go tragically wrong for the franchise; they made a part of the content (a vital element of the game needed to play the game) an unpredictable resource; the players themselves.
If the players don't come, there's no game to play.

As well:

…..XsnipX….It doesn't offer more than AC & basically it's just dull repetitive quick racing with randoms. No wonder people left it, there's no hope for online lobbies w/ great variety.

"dull repetitive quick racing with randoms"

That put it in a nutshell - why I don't have a PS4 yet, because the only game I would buy to play on it hasn't been made yet. Repetitive racing with randoms would fry my brain.

People need contact. They need to bond, get to know each other, play together consistently - hey, maybe even meet random new people (and build on that - instead of never seeing them again while PD plays the GTAcademy game of looking for the cream of the crop under the guise of 'GTS'.)

There's another factor: the 'old style' video game was one that replaced friends - you were dependent on no other person (maybe the occasional bragging at a Forum.) It was the game, itself, that kept the player occupied - built on the usual premise driving video-games; level up and be rewarded.
And lots of goodies to satisfy the very normal human craving to acquire stuff.
If there was customizable content - then there was a game to play even beyond completion.
If there was an online playground that one could join at will with toys of one's choice with the opportunity to meet familiar playmates - then this would be the only game I'd need.

From the many comments here, it seems like GTS didn't satisfy the players that have lived with the series for more than a decade and splurged on a PS4, a probably expensive wheel, and GTS.
Others, like me, never even bothered to purchase it.

 

[Knukel]

Isn't all the comments about Sport mode irrelevant? I mean, why would you add/have PSN friends in Sport mode anyway...

 

[Jab1362]

I've noticed for the last few weeks that whenever I log in, there is either 1 or 0 friends playing at the same time.

The folks that I used to play open lobbies with in GT5 and GT6 have abandoned the game. They haven't played in weeks/months. I know that the lack of balance in the street car racing is the problem here. Few of them were fans of the BoP, finding it of little help in balancing the street cars, and having no BoP on leaves the N classes a complete mess.

Maybe there's other regions where the game has maintained popularity, but it seems it has fallen off a cliff here. If I go into the open lobbies looking for some street car racing, there is precious little out there, and what is out there is almost insufferable.

Note - please don't suggest leagues and stuff, that misses the point.

I know some have said tuning is a painstaking process, but with the dumping of the PP system and no tuning in the dailies, that entire aspect of the game seems to have been tossed out the window. Not to mention the loss of server settings, like a timer.

The mileage exchange hasn't seen anything new, other than paint, in months now. So, is this all we get???

For years, I could fire up GT and play with friends, some of whom have become quite close. We came to discuss the ups and downs of life. It was more than just a quick race. Still, the game had the underpinnings that supported nearly endless play. Now, with the changes that have simplified the game, it's all fallen apart.

Is my experience common for anyone else or is this just an issue for me? I know many GTPlanet folks are into the leagues, but I'm sure some just play with friends from time to time.

Is this how this franchise dies?

I don’t think this is how this franchise dies, PD has done a pretty good job over the years with over promising on their game and under delivering. I didn’t buy Sport when it first came out, tried the demo and went to PC2.
Finally because I missed racing with old friends from lobbies I bought the game and came back only to find out the same thing you have. My old friends have moved onto other games, not other racers but other games.
For me now I jump on to sport in the morning look at the three choices for the day maybe try one and just grind enough miles to get my prize car. Then I eject the disc put PC2 back in for the rest of the day.
The big reason for me to stay with PC2 over Sport is the track selection and the vintage race cars.
It’s still a bug ridden game with graphics on the base ps4 that are no where as nice as Sport but it works for me.

 

[ivann]

Also the lack of circuits is just making those races we do get feel repetitive.

This, and broken penalties are the reason in my opinion.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I have to believe PD is currently working on the next GT for the next Playstation console. Releasing another GT in 2019 for PS4 would make no sense, much like how it made no sense to release GT6 on PS3 right when PS4 launched.

I don't bother with Sport Mode anymore unless the One Make races feature a car or track I enjoy.

 

[adstomko]

I think there should be a variety of events at the weekends/a specific day per week where there are fun races/seasonal events, similar to what we saw in GT5/6.
Sport Mode became stale with the lack of content and strange combinations that come with it.
There should also be either Gr3 or Gr4 (maybe Gr2 too) in Sport Mode as a choice everyday, otherwise it drives away the majority of the fans.
If PD add a new real-world circuit, that will convince me to race again.

 

[Krypton78]

I admit I didnt read the previous comments, but I wanted to say that from my point of view all in all GTS works. So much free update until now. They really try to get a system so that thousands of different characters come together and simulate racing. We complain about the rammings and dirty driving, but to be honest how often did we caused crashes ourselfes? And how hundred times we go through curves car behind car and nobody rams each other?
One thing PD was unpatient was forcing people into sport mode in the beginning by not providing a campain. So the chaos in this times led to people to avoid it

 

[CBH]

I've noticed for the last few weeks that whenever I log in, there is either 1 or 0 friends playing at the same time.

The folks that I used to play open lobbies with in GT5 and GT6 have abandoned the game. They haven't played in weeks/months. I know that the lack of balance in the street car racing is the problem here. Few of them were fans of the BoP, finding it of little help in balancing the street cars, and having no BoP on leaves the N classes a complete mess.

Maybe there's other regions where the game has maintained popularity, but it seems it has fallen off a cliff here. If I go into the open lobbies looking for some street car racing, there is precious little out there, and what is out there is almost insufferable.

Note - please don't suggest leagues and stuff, that misses the point.

I know some have said tuning is a painstaking process, but with the dumping of the PP system and no tuning in the dailies, that entire aspect of the game seems to have been tossed out the window. Not to mention the loss of server settings, like a timer.

The mileage exchange hasn't seen anything new, other than paint, in months now. So, is this all we get???

For years, I could fire up GT and play with friends, some of whom have become quite close. We came to discuss the ups and downs of life. It was more than just a quick race. Still, the game had the underpinnings that supported nearly endless play. Now, with the changes that have simplified the game, it's all fallen apart.

Is my experience common for anyone else or is this just an issue for me? I know many GTPlanet folks are into the leagues, but I'm sure some just play with friends from time to time.

Is this how this franchise dies?

From early this year, I had around 14 to17 players on my friends list every day playing GTS, and the last couple of months it has gone down to1 or 2 players now.

 

[Lion-Face]

My friends list has grown since the beginning, and I have more players online than I did at the start. Was surprised to see about 30 players on GT Sport the other night. And I am not one to add everyone to my friends list, I know the PS3 had a limit of 100 friends, and I try to keep my list to less than that. Casual players jump in early and drop off, what will be interesting to see will be where it levels off to and maintains over the following years.

I actually found the racing in the dailies getting a bit lacklustre end of april/early may, so I took a break, played some war thunder for a bit, and now I'm back in it and find the competition has hotted up again, it's great!

 

[TonyJZX]

No one should be surprised. Doesnt everyone see the same thing with just about every driving game of period. T10 are doing some stuff to breathe new life into FM7 and I feel PD are doing the same now.

Will it be enough?

I feel that GT6 did a bit better at the same mark because they keep the updates coming hard and fast what with the Senna stuff and Sierra de Fuego whatever.

I think there are outliers,,, I seem to recall the FM4 had a really long life and of course GT5 Spec 2.0 for different reasons.

 

[suprajef]

I've noticed for the last few weeks that whenever I log in, there is either 1 or 0 friends playing at the same time.

The folks that I used to play open lobbies with in GT5 and GT6 have abandoned the game. They haven't played in weeks/months. I know that the lack of balance in the street car racing is the problem here. Few of them were fans of the BoP, finding it of little help in balancing the street cars, and having no BoP on leaves the N classes a complete mess.

Maybe there's other regions where the game has maintained popularity, but it seems it has fallen off a cliff here. If I go into the open lobbies looking for some street car racing, there is precious little out there, and what is out there is almost insufferable.

Note - please don't suggest leagues and stuff, that misses the point.

I know some have said tuning is a painstaking process, but with the dumping of the PP system and no tuning in the dailies, that entire aspect of the game seems to have been tossed out the window. Not to mention the loss of server settings, like a timer.

The mileage exchange hasn't seen anything new, other than paint, in months now. So, is this all we get???

For years, I could fire up GT and play with friends, some of whom have become quite close. We came to discuss the ups and downs of life. It was more than just a quick race. Still, the game had the underpinnings that supported nearly endless play. Now, with the changes that have simplified the game, it's all fallen apart.

Is my experience common for anyone else or is this just an issue for me? I know many GTPlanet folks are into the leagues, but I'm sure some just play with friends from time to time.

Is this how this franchise dies?

Not that true...who do you consider friends? Since I have been here, it has been awesome! People come and go on games but the best are the ones that stick around. Find a league or club like the WRS or SNAIL and then tell me who your friends are compared to the people you randomly meet...

 

[banckzy]

I still frequent this forum every day, however I haven't played GTS in over a week now; after playing it every day for around 3 months.

Mainly due to outright boredom of the game but there are some other issues...

The level I'm at I just get matched with far superior players and never in a position when I can win a race, sometimes I have to qualify for 30/40mins before I even get a competitive time as I'm constantly matched with top 10 players who are just too good for me to compete with! During the week I get around 2hrs free time to play, which means after all that qualifying graft I get 1 race, maybe 2 if I'm lucky! The only way for me to win a race is to drop SR to avoid the aliens, but I don't want to do that as it just feels like a cheap win.

No N class races, constant oval races and Nordschleife on the weekend which unfortauntely I get on with neither. Weekends is when I can invest my time into the game, and with whats recently been on offer on the dailys it just leaves no appeal whatsoever.

The championships whilst they add variety I feel like it only really rewards the aliens, and for anybody else its just another race? Not sure how this can be fixed, but my opinion is it is targeted towards the elite.

It's sad really because before this game I only ever used DS4 for my racing games. This game alone made me buy a G29 + playseat challenge and come to these forums every day to discuss with other racing sim nerds like myself.

I will continue to come to this forum everyday and check the progress of GTS in terms of updates etc. but for now I'll be sticking with my recently purchased F1 2017.

 

[Brend]

Nice number, but not for PD/Sony. In fact, GTS is the second worst sale of all GT franchises. By all I really mean all from GT 1 to GTS including all the Prologue editions (excluding Concept editions). At this point and compared to previous editions, not sure one can not say it is a success for PD/Sony.

Some quick numbers for comparison:

Gran Turismo: 10,8 millions
Gran Turismo 2: 9,3 millions
Gran Turismo 3: 14,8 millions
Gran Turismo 4: 11,7 millions
Gran Turismo 5: 11,9 millions
Gran Turismo 6: 5,2 millions
Gran Turismo S: 3,3 millions so far.

Racing game sales don't exist in a bubble though. I'd love to say that in today's climate that a GT Game could do Gran Turismo 5 numbers but the truth is that it won't.

As the industry shifts, so to does interest in certain genres. GT is no longer the prized pony for Sony, Sport came out to some form of fanfare but a drop in the ocean compared to God of War and those types of game.

 

[_ApexPredator]

Sorry if it sounds too simple, but can't you just make some new friends?
Whenever I log in there's usually 3-8 online, and we have a good laugh in party chat (which has never been easier to do in a GT, as far as I'm aware!).

Granted Sport Mode itself doesn't lend itself very well to making racing buddies, but in the lobbies you just have to find a niché and after a few days you'll be seeing the same names anyway - is there really no one else into racing road cars? I'm sure there are, I'm not but I know of at least one dude who is @Rinsky - he's been doing some Gr.4 endurance rooms lately, but I'm sure his friendslist is full of people up for some road car racing too!

And if you ever fancy some karting, that's pretty much the only thing my friendslist does

 

[Nuschel01]

I'm sure there are, I'm not but I know of at least one dude who is @Rinsky - he's been doing some Gr.4 endurance rooms lately, but I'm sure his friendslist is full of people up for some road car racing too!

And if you ever fancy some karting, that's pretty much the only thing my friendslist does

Hello Sorry for staying a bit quiet in that party a few days ago, I was listening and having a laugh while constantly crashing the kart

 

[_ApexPredator]

@banckzy
Try some lobby races mate.
I totally get the *pressure* of Sport mode thing when you're very thinly stretched for time, and every result matters, etc!
Sometimes you just want to play the game and enjoy some racing, and the closer to the top you get the more stressful Sport mode can become, especially if you don't have 2nd or 3rd accounts (like a lot of players do) to unwind.

 

[Nuschel01]

Try some lobby races mate.

Exactly, once you get rid of the Sport Mode pressure and actually enjoy playing the game it gets a lot more fun. When the penalties are turned off and you got some good people in it it creates some very good and fun racing; and if you crash off, so be it, no DR hit or anything

 

[_ApexPredator]

Hello Sorry for staying a bit quiet in that party a few days ago, I was listening and having a laugh while constantly crashing the kart

Haha no worries, I love hearing the combo of SeaRays (Ohio) and Seslab (Swiss) arguing in my ear whilst racing

and @Voodoovaj I said I wasn't into road car racing, but I'd forgotten about the E30 M3!

 

[Rinsky]

Rinsky - he's been doing some Gr.4 endurance rooms lately, but I'm sure his friendslist is full of people up for some road car racing too!

Absolutely it is but everyone is online at different times so it would take some planing to get them all together.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I don't get the fixation on single player content either. The race sim genre is fairly stale when it comes to Single Player play progression. It would just be a series of progressively difficult races where your ability to buy cars is carefully constrained against your progress to give an artificial sense of accomplishment.

Meanwhile in GTsport, you can challenge yourself by trying to beat GT League with nothing but low powered cars. To me it's all the same but I usually don't need arbitrary game progression systems to encourage me to play a game.

You just said the key word: progress. When people play a video game for the first time, they like starting at square one and earning better and better things for beating levels/challenges, with the races being the “levels” in this case. This “climbing the ladder” type game design is not exclusive to racing games either and has been around for decades.

It’s pretty ironic because we’re talking about about GT, a series that for the past 20 years has always been about starting off with a cheap, every day car and going through a single player campaign until you can afford/unlock the nice stuff and has influenced virtually every racing game that came out after it to have similar gameplay.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

You just said the key word: progress. When people play a video game for the first time, they like starting at square one and earning better and better things for beating levels/challenges, with the races being the “levels” in this case. This “climbing the ladder” type game design is not exclusive to racing games either and has been around for decades.

I think that goes without saying and that sort of design was totally necessary when I was 18 and purchased Grant Turismo 1. This was back when I didn't know anything about cars and had no interest in racing. I don't even remember why I bought the game but once the refinement and rigor of a "perfect lap" got its hooks into me, the progression became completely irrelevant and the currency useless since I was inadvertently grinding by repetitiously playing it over and over.

At this point in the genre, I'm surprised that life long race sim fanatics are complaining about not having a carrot on a stick. If your lap times are good, an offline game progression won't provide any challenge to you. On the flip side of that coin, if the offline mode is challenging then success in the online portion is going to be totally out of reach.

In real life, repetition is refinement and the success from refinement is it's own reward. It's at that point that you find joy in the process itself. I would imagine that most race fans would be already over that hump and be reveling in the process. So it's all surprising to me to see grown adults with decades of sim experience complaining that they don't have enough virtual trophies to win. Aren't we past that point yet? I guess not.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Sorry if it sounds too simple, but can't you just make some new friends?
Whenever I log in there's usually 3-8 online, and we have a good laugh in party chat (which has never been easier to do in a GT, as far as I'm aware!).

Granted Sport Mode itself doesn't lend itself very well to making racing buddies, but in the lobbies you just have to find a niché and after a few days you'll be seeing the same names anyway - is there really no one else into racing road cars? I'm sure there are, I'm not but I know of at least one dude

The new "friends" I have made are folks from the sport mode, and that doesn't really lend itself to starting a chat room and getting to know people. As I said, there seems to be few people on at the same time, so that's where the greatest impedance comes from. When I log in, I see a "1" on the header, or maybe a "2", most of the time though, there is no one online in GTS at the same time, regardless of the time.

Plenty of people are into road car racing. I would go so far as to say there would be greater participation if road cars were featured more. This new N class system makes road car racing completely imbalanced though. The worst case is the GT3RS in N500, which is just so completely out of it's league. It should really be an n600 car given it's pace. Throughout the N classes though, the imbalances are so great and so numerous that it's a pointless battle trying to keep things balanced. The only thing that comes close is one make races, which then means the host is constantly policing every person who enters the lobby.

I miss the laid back chats about real life stuff. I miss getting to know people. I miss caring about people enough to want to get to know them. Right now, I just add friends so I have more lap times to compare against and I'm sure that's why I get added.

Last year, one friend passed away. I had never met him in person, but we spoke online quite often about everything. His passing was genuinely upsetting to me.

 

[Nuschel01]

I miss the laid back chats about real life stuff. I miss getting to know people. I miss caring about people enough to want to get to know them. Right now, I just add friends so I have more lap times to compare against and I'm sure that's why I get added.

Hence why i don‘t just accept any friend request that pops up but only those of people I actually know or like to race with, be it sport mode or lobbies.

 

[D-Max]

I developed close group of friends thanks to gt5 drifting. We now meet up when we can and do car things together like drift events etc. We’ve moved on with life and don’t game together as much but we talk everyday. It’s not that they lost interest, it’s just that these online friendships tend to move past in game

 

[Jenks 67]

I've noticed for the last few weeks that whenever I log in, there is either 1 or 0 friends playing at the same time.

The folks that I used to play open lobbies with in GT5 and GT6 have abandoned the game. They haven't played in weeks/months. I know that the lack of balance in the street car racing is the problem here. Few of them were fans of the BoP, finding it of little help in balancing the street cars, and having no BoP on leaves the N classes a complete mess.

Maybe there's other regions where the game has maintained popularity, but it seems it has fallen off a cliff here. If I go into the open lobbies looking for some street car racing, there is precious little out there, and what is out there is almost insufferable.

Note - please don't suggest leagues and stuff, that misses the point.

I know some have said tuning is a painstaking process, but with the dumping of the PP system and no tuning in the dailies, that entire aspect of the game seems to have been tossed out the window. Not to mention the loss of server settings, like a timer.

The mileage exchange hasn't seen anything new, other than paint, in months now. So, is this all we get???

For years, I could fire up GT and play with friends, some of whom have become quite close. We came to discuss the ups and downs of life. It was more than just a quick race. Still, the game had the underpinnings that supported nearly endless play. Now, with the changes that have simplified the game, it's all fallen apart.

Is my experience common for anyone else or is this just an issue for me? I know many GTPlanet folks are into the leagues, but I'm sure some just play with friends from time to time.

Is this how this franchise dies?

 

[seslab]

Racing game sales don't exist in a bubble though. I'd love to say that in today's climate that a GT Game could do Gran Turismo 5 numbers but the truth is that it won't.

As the industry shifts, so to does interest in certain genres. GT is no longer the prized pony for Sony, Sport came out to some form of fanfare but a drop in the ocean compared to God of War and those types of game.

I was referring to your initial comment which could be understood as GTS was still a success. It is not even necessary to compare GTS to GT5. Simply comparing it to old Prologue editions which did not have the huge marketing support GTS had and still has, the numbers are quite disappointing. I even bet on PD/Sony where counting on way more important sales.
The 3.3 millions sales even only tell a small part of the truth. In fact as you've mentioned, many went to other non racing games. But if I look at my old psn friends, all really passionate sim racers, a quite big majority purchased GTS and played it for some months after what they went back to other sim racing games like PC2 and AC (PC and PS4 depending on friends). When I ask them why they don't play GTS anymore mostly I get the answer of GTS lacking of tracks, cars and settings, they got bored way too fast.
Long-term pleasure has always been the strong point of the GT saga. GTS clearly missed that point. Unfortunately no numbers can be found, but I would not be surprised if the percentage of people having purchased GTS switching back to other sim racing games is way higher than with previous GT editions. As you mentioned, there is also more choice in racing games than it was before.
But still PD could make it possible to prevent these people leaving GTS for racing games not having a Sport Mode, livery editor or fancy graphics. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising those three features at all, I even appreciate two of them pretty much. But the fundamentals of every racing game are cars and tracks, basics that PD seemed to forget and where other racing games did better. Better graphics and sounds, everyone was expecting for the new edition like a bunch of new tracks and cars.

In my particular case, playing GTS since 6 months now pretty much every day, the lack of tracks is the only point who makes me hesitate to quit GTS for another racing game. Only 1 new real track (Interlagos) isn't enough to keep people happy after that long wait since release of GT6. If I didn't quit GTS until now it's mostly because of having great lobby racing with friends (some old ones and a bunch of new ones), having a great time with them over Party chat and league racing over Gtplanet. But the lack of tracks is a big topic we discuss almost everyday over party since lobby racing is getting boring on the same tracks again and again, as the topic of GTS alternatives also is an almost everyday discussion. If PD doesn't hurry up by introducing new tracks, we may head over to the alternatives quicker than expected.

 

[Brend]

I was referring to your initial comment which could be understood as GTS was still a success. It is not even necessary to compare GTS to GT5. Simply comparing it to old Prologue editions which did not have the huge marketing support GTS had and still has, the numbers are quite disappointing. I even bet on PD/Sony where counting on way more important sales.
The 3.3 millions sales even only tell a small part of the truth. In fact as you've mentioned, many went to other non racing games. But if I look at my old psn friends, all really passionate sim racers, a quite big majority purchased GTS and played it for some months after what they went back to other sim racing games like PC2 and AC (PC and PS4 depending on friends). When I ask them why they don't play GTS anymore mostly I get the answer of GTS lacking of tracks, cars and settings, they got bored way too fast.
Long-term pleasure has always been the strong point of the GT saga. GTS clearly missed that point. Unfortunately no numbers can be found, but I would not be surprised if the percentage of people having purchased GTS switching back to other sim racing games is way higher than with previous GT editions. As you mentioned, there is also more choice in racing games than it was before.
But still PD could make it possible to prevent these people leaving GTS for racing games not having a Sport Mode, livery editor or fancy graphics. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising those three features at all, I even appreciate two of them pretty much. But the fundamentals of every racing game are cars and tracks, basics that PD seemed to forget and where other racing games did better. Better graphics and sounds, everyone was expecting for the new edition like a bunch of new tracks and cars.

In my particular case, playing GTS since 6 months now pretty much every day, the lack of tracks is the only point who makes me hesitate to quit GTS for another racing game. Only 1 new real track (Interlagos) isn't enough to keep people happy after that long wait since release of GT6. If I didn't quit GTS until now it's mostly because of having great lobby racing with friends (some old ones and a bunch of new ones), having a great time with them over Party chat and league racing over Gtplanet. But the lack of tracks is a big topic we discuss almost everyday over party since lobby racing is getting boring on the same tracks again and again, as the topic of GTS alternatives also is an almost everyday discussion. If PD doesn't hurry up by introducing new tracks, we may head over to the alternatives quicker than expected.

Yeah, I see what you're saying but I was pointing out that compared to other racing games, GT is still the king when it comes to sales. I'm not entierly sure but Forza Horizon 3 is probably the front runner now, I'm assuming by the end of this console lifecycle GT will catch up.

 

[seslab]

compared to other racing games, GT is still the king when it comes to sales.

Agree with that. But the tenancy is showing downward while sales of competitors are rising. GT has already lost sales before GTS launch, PD took way too long to release GTS. With PD's budget in addition with the long time of development, one could expect something huge coming up. In this regard it's a disappointment, others where more effective in shorter time. That will take more racers to other titles. PD maybe relied too much on the strong brand name GT has. To hit strong with GTS as PD used to do with previous editions was crucial, even more considering competitors getting more in numbers and better in features.

I'm assuming by the end of this console lifecycle GT will catch up.

I doubt that since the biggest part of sales are made between launch and Christmas, both being already behind us.

 

[Voodoovaj]

PD took way too long to release GTS. With PD's budget in addition with the long time of development, one could expect something huge coming up. In this regard it's a disappointment, ..

Yes, four years and this is what the end result is? But that's beside the point. It's not the effort, but the choices that have made this game more superficial and therefore, from what I see, less engaging.

The article posted about the PS4 nearing it's useful life is concerning. It's almost as if GT is skipping an entire console generation.

 

[apexpredator100]

Yes, four years and this is what the end result is? But that's beside the point. It's not the effort, but the choices that have made this game more superficial and therefore, from what I see, less engaging.

The article posted about the PS4 nearing it's useful life is concerning. It's almost as if GT is skipping an entire console generation.

This article? https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/05/sony-next-playstation-is-at-least-three-years-off/?comments=1

If that's the case, then that's long enough for GT Sport to have a good lifespan on the PS4, but I can definitely see it being an issue for GT7. Hopefully GT7 doesn't end up like another GT6 situation, but I can also see PD rebranding GT Sport into GT7 with some huge DLC content pack or Spec 2.0 update.