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FITT: Blind Tuning Challenge! Congrats to Bowtie-muscle & Otaliema! Tuners Revealed!!
- Thread starter Bowtie-muscle
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- Otaliema
I bet @GTP_CargoRatt could pull a 1:09 for us in the Dual class that is if we can pry him away from WRS 
if not Hey cargo good luck man move up a rank!
if not Hey cargo good luck man move up a rank!
- 3,867
- Saltash
- Dolhaus
I got as close as I could but it never quite happened@DolHaus great times you got there, but still no 1:09's,it's all up to you remaining testers. Someone has got to get it.đź‘Ť
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- crash27wwjd
Please do not feel like you have to get those times, unless you are an alien then by all means do it. Not everyone has the same ability, this is why the more testers the better, adds variety and a broader scope of driving styles into the mix. Just enjoy it, testing can be quite fun and you can some times learn from it. I have had a few tunes help me improve my driving I do believe.I have to say kudos to the folks hitting 1.10s in the duel cars. Makes me feel like a ham fisted controller jockey.I am about halfway done with testing and should make my final report sometime over the weekend.
If you can and would not mind, it would be appreciated. If it were a top five tune you would be asked so it is only fair. You may not improve the time, that is okay, you can always say you tried and no one can ask for more than that.đź‘Ťwas pleasure
yes I did
I was thinking about it đź‘Ť
Good catch, thank you. đź‘Ť
Those are some incredible times you have there Sir! WOW....Thank you for the tremendous effort and amount of time you put in.
But, I do have to tell you, if FITT testing were an Olympic or World Cup Event you would certainly get drug tested after that performance. So I need to know, are you juicing DolHaus
Things are beginning to really get interesting, I am getting excited for more reviews to see how this Duel will turn out. And thanks again for staying on top of the scoring. You are doing a FABULOUS job.
Not unless we have an alien among us, at which point the rest of us will feel somewhat inferior.@DolHaus great times you got there, but still no 1:09's,
SlackerI got as close as I could but it never quite happened
**Now do I get an award for squeezing all that into one post?
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- Saltash
- Dolhaus
Juicing? No of course not.... I prefer my liquor straight upThose are some incredible times you have there Sir! WOW....Thank you for the tremendous effort and amount of time you put in.
But, I do have to tell you, if FITT testing were an Olympic or World Cup Event you would certainly get drug tested after that performance. So I need to know, are you juicing DolHaus
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- crash27wwjd
- 3,867
- Saltash
- Dolhaus
I'm still a bit undecided, I think I've got a few down but a lot are going to be purely rolling a dice and and putting a name to a numberGood one
Any thought on guesses?
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- crash27wwjd
I know that feeling, it's not easy 
- 11,660
- GTP_Orido
Read the break down by turns review, thanks for detailed explanation. I see that variety of testers bring forth things that I didn't encounter when I drove the car. Some of the turn review were actually a surprise for me
Now I could formulate a few things to tweak to improve it for the future use ( damper + ARB ) 
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- Climaxic_Teddy
Ok. These are my results for the testing of the Duel.
All cars were given as many laps as I needed to get a decent time. All cars were tested with a DS3. Whilst testing I listened to a custom playlist of 4 Rob Zombie songs (in case anybody thinks that it could have altered the results). My first testing in a competition has been great fun, and I hope that no one is annoyed at my possibly strange times and differing driving style.
Here goes nothing.
Tune #1: RX8
DC: 7.5
Best time: 1:11.048
Not a bad car overall, but it had a feeling of dissonance with me. The whole time I drove the car I didnt feel much confidence in it's abilities. I would push it, and push it, but it would eventually just put me out onto the grass going the wrong direction with smoke and dust everywhere. I also felt that sometimes the front wheels were not even connected to the road. This however, only happened on the first corners, where I would regularly have to trail brake much more than usual to keep it off the grass. The car also seemed to use only a fraction of it's entire suspension travel, which made quite predictable, but also made it feel a but slippery at all times. Amongst all this you wonder why I gave it a 7.5 DC score. The reason for which is because for 4 or 5 laps it just kept getting faster and faster, but after this I lost a bit of patience and failed to beat the final best time, and leading on I learned the car a bit better and I warmed to it very much.
Conclusion: Good tune, but not my kind of tune.
Tune #2: S2000
DC: 8.1
Best time: 1:12.257
Very interesting tune. Loads of grip everywhere except corner entry where its heavy tail end wanted to peak around the front. I was in disbelief at the standard trans, and how it matched the track, and the only con was it's slight sluggishness on corner exit; which made the car easier to control anyway. Spread out over the whole track, this car did exceptionally well and kept me very happy most of the time. I feel that a custom trans setup would have been very beneficial to this car in terms of speed, where the tyres and suspension always seemed to wait for the engine to catch up. very relaxing tune to drive. The engine setup suited me perfectly. The fact that this tune looks, in my eyes, so disjointed and contradictory, and yet performs so well, makes me respect the tune greatly. First impressions were also good. I feel as though I could not grasp it's full potential however.
Conclusion: Different, slower, more relaxing, and very much to my liking. Very good tune: both generally and personally.
Tune #3: RX8
DC: 9.8
Best time: 1:10.880
Absolutely amazing tune: I loved every second of driving it. Everything about this car feels as if it were my own dream come true: it is the embodiment of all of my tuning dreams. The LSD setup; perfect rotation and plenty of grip on corner exit. I found that I was planting the throttle much more vigorously than normal, and when I tried my hardest to get the car to slip or spin, it simply glided through the corner as if the backwheels were not engulfed in smoke, and the front wheels were not almost on fire. This would be a great car for endurance racing. I wont go through every minor detail of this car and how it pleases me, but I will say that I could ask very little more from the tuner of this machine, Literally the only things that separate this car from being a solid 10 DC score is: the fact that 6th gear could be slightly longer for the straight to really get all the available speed out of the car; and my preference to BHP over Torque, which gives me the tiniest shred of incentive to take of the exhaust and raise the power limiter (more power).
Conclusion: My dream car; a masterpiece; a car I will likely keep for later (if thats ok). I had so much fun driving this car that I completely forgot about the best time, and when I saw that it managed a sub 1:11.000; I was all the more happy. My thanks to the tuner for so much fun in a car.
Tune #4: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.048 (I have no idea how I managed it though)
Excellent car; I really loved it. The gears were near on perfect as they were an improvement on tune #3. I find it hard to compliment this car because of it's largely mechanical feeling. There are no immediate problems with the car, and likewise; there are no things that really spark my interest in it either. The one thing I can say is that I have never felt such control in my life: I actually stopped at one point to check if I had for some reason moved the TCS up to 1 or 2 it was that good. If I could name this car I would call it "Ole Faithful". I was also amazed at how fast it was.
Conclusion: Great car. EXTREMELY FAST. I wish I had more words to describe it.
Tune #5: S2000
DC: 7.4
Best time: 1:11.150
Pretty good for an S2000. The LSD setup worked pretty well with the the turbo, but the turbo itself seemed to drag the chain a little: The extra torque was not necessary, and the powerband was a bit lazy in my eyes. I also had some problems with weight transfer once the back end decided to slide. I would fight to keep the car going throught the corner without roasting the tyres, and if I went too far I simply could not rell it back in. The added ballast to the front could have been the problem. Other wise I found this car very controllable and I am happy to say that the tuner did a good job with the S2000.
Conclusion: A good S2000, definitely something I would drive in 450pp races, but some slight re-modelling of the tune and perhaps a different approach would have been better. Otherwise, very nice.
Tune #6: RX8
DC: 8.9
Best time: 1:11.220
A good tune that would have been excellent with a few changes. First impressions were good in terms of control, braking, and lap times, but as time progressed I found small recurring faults in the car. Everytime I reached the middle of corner 1 I would have to feather the brakes furiously so as not to let the car slide when I hit the throttle. I also experienced some intense understeer through the chicane just before the tunnel that would regularly have me either touching or completely smashing the wall. This car had an excellent ability to go into a corner on my racing line: Good rotation is what I am getting at here, but by the end of the corner I would have possibly understeered straight off and onto the grass. It just didnt seem to utilise the sports hards as well as it could have. I believe the power setup was basically perfect, and the gears also. I found the occasional fault with the LSD and its strange layout. I definitely believe that this car could achieve a much faster time around GVE, but I myself could not get past the faults that I found.
Conclusion: Could have been great with a different approach perhaps. Otherwise was exceptional in all aspects as a regular car to be driven.
Tune #7: RX8
DC: 8.6
Best time: 1:10.831
Good tune in terms of control. The brakes were great; I never lost a second to misjudging them. However, I did lose some time to understeer during the hairpin after the tunnel. It would always be a contest to see how far I could push it before the front wheels started to slide, and I also had some issues with the last chicane , coming up over the hill. It would tend to run wide and I regularly had to back off slightly to keep the car running on my racing line. This is the best car so far perhaps for making the first two corners. Never did I lose the tail end , and the low speed undertseer was not evident this stretch of track. I believe the LSD setup was a definite "yes" by all means, whereas certain attributes of the contrast between suspension and ballast, were a bit of a "no". I believe the camber and spring rate could have differed a little bit. That right hairpin was this cars Kryptonite.
Conclusion: Very user friendly; could take the racing line with ease in most places, and was only dragged down by two corners. For such and almost sublime tune: congrats to the tuner.
Tune #8: S2000
DC: 7.9
Best time: 1:12.418
I admit, I was rather dissapointed with this tune. Not as a whole because the overall car was great, but where one single aspect caused me to deeply dislike this car: Torque. I have experienced it many times where torque has flat out ruined one of my cars, and it has done little less here. I tried very hard to get this faster than 1:12, but it just could not stay straight. Perhaps someone more accustomed to this setup could make good use of it, but not I. The suspension was good, the brakes were good, the simple transmission was great, but none of it could help me to look past the torque. On most if not all corners I would go in relatively fast, but if I was not carrying just the right amount of momentum; I would lose my speed by backing off the throttle mid corner or on corner exit. I would love to simply remove the turbo, lower the limiter, anbd give this car a 9 or more, but I cant. I am very sorry.
Conclusion: It might make a good car for someone else, but not me, and I understand that it is not easy to make a car that appeals to everyone, so I hope that others have liked this car as much as I would have had it not been for that turbo. Good work tuner; bad luck for having me as a tester.
Tune #9: RX8
DC: 9
Best time: 1:10.787
very nice car indeed. Very fast as well. The strange ballast setup definitely caught my eye, and at first I had my doubts, but by remaining in 3rd gear I negated most of the expected sliding. Perfect amount of ration as long as you are going the right speed and can keep your foot lightly pressed to the throttle, and the brakes worked great in contrast. The suspension seemed well setout to handle the ballast, though I would have raised the rear camber and toe angle slightly out of habit. This car did give me some strife during the last corner a few times, and the entrance to the was a bit sketchy at times; even when the car was firmly set on the racing line in the right gear it wanted to do it's own thing in the the tail end. This is a very fast car that would have been better for me with some tweaks of the LSD and suspension, but you cant please everyone. I know it could have gone much faster around the track had I the time to iron out my style to suit the slippery tail of the car.
Conclusion: Awesome car, different, but awesome. Fast, but tamed with an edge of temper that showed once in a while. I thoroughly enjoyed this car though. Keep up the good work tuner #9.
Tune #10: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.527
There really isnt much to say abou this car except that the tuner knew what they were doing, and that they intended on not being discovered by the likes of me. Thus I will not give detailed feedback. It felt it was an average tune, but sitting on sports medium, rather than a great tune sitting on sports hards. Everything felt good to me. It didnt like the dirt one bit.
Conclusion: Very good car; definitely a good way to finish off the RX8s.
Tune #11: S2000
DC: 9.4
Best time: 1:12.502
Very nice car to drive. It always felt as if it would run wide and slide clean off the track, but I believe that this phenomenon only happened 0 times. The heavy setup with plenty of power was a good idea, and the tougher suspension kept the car from "lolling" too much across the track. It was not fast, but it was definitely one, if not, my favorite S2000 of the Duel. the car was greatest at pulling out consistent laps. The brakes were good and the extra weight carried the car through the corners pretty well if you braked too early, but left you in trouble if you braked too early. The mid-corner grip was a bit of a mystery, where my first few laps were plagued with understeer that seemed to decrease with each completed lap afterwards. This left me very satisfied with the car.
Conclusion: Great car, and a better S2000: loved it. Good job to the tuner.
That is it.
If anyone feels as if I have been unfair; please voice your concerns nice and early so I may be able to revise the car.
Man that is a lot of typing.
All cars were given as many laps as I needed to get a decent time. All cars were tested with a DS3. Whilst testing I listened to a custom playlist of 4 Rob Zombie songs (in case anybody thinks that it could have altered the results). My first testing in a competition has been great fun, and I hope that no one is annoyed at my possibly strange times and differing driving style.
Here goes nothing.
Tune #1: RX8
DC: 7.5
Best time: 1:11.048
Not a bad car overall, but it had a feeling of dissonance with me. The whole time I drove the car I didnt feel much confidence in it's abilities. I would push it, and push it, but it would eventually just put me out onto the grass going the wrong direction with smoke and dust everywhere. I also felt that sometimes the front wheels were not even connected to the road. This however, only happened on the first corners, where I would regularly have to trail brake much more than usual to keep it off the grass. The car also seemed to use only a fraction of it's entire suspension travel, which made quite predictable, but also made it feel a but slippery at all times. Amongst all this you wonder why I gave it a 7.5 DC score. The reason for which is because for 4 or 5 laps it just kept getting faster and faster, but after this I lost a bit of patience and failed to beat the final best time, and leading on I learned the car a bit better and I warmed to it very much.
Conclusion: Good tune, but not my kind of tune.
Tune #2: S2000
DC: 8.1
Best time: 1:12.257
Very interesting tune. Loads of grip everywhere except corner entry where its heavy tail end wanted to peak around the front. I was in disbelief at the standard trans, and how it matched the track, and the only con was it's slight sluggishness on corner exit; which made the car easier to control anyway. Spread out over the whole track, this car did exceptionally well and kept me very happy most of the time. I feel that a custom trans setup would have been very beneficial to this car in terms of speed, where the tyres and suspension always seemed to wait for the engine to catch up. very relaxing tune to drive. The engine setup suited me perfectly. The fact that this tune looks, in my eyes, so disjointed and contradictory, and yet performs so well, makes me respect the tune greatly. First impressions were also good. I feel as though I could not grasp it's full potential however.
Conclusion: Different, slower, more relaxing, and very much to my liking. Very good tune: both generally and personally.
Tune #3: RX8
DC: 9.8
Best time: 1:10.880
Absolutely amazing tune: I loved every second of driving it. Everything about this car feels as if it were my own dream come true: it is the embodiment of all of my tuning dreams. The LSD setup; perfect rotation and plenty of grip on corner exit. I found that I was planting the throttle much more vigorously than normal, and when I tried my hardest to get the car to slip or spin, it simply glided through the corner as if the backwheels were not engulfed in smoke, and the front wheels were not almost on fire. This would be a great car for endurance racing. I wont go through every minor detail of this car and how it pleases me, but I will say that I could ask very little more from the tuner of this machine, Literally the only things that separate this car from being a solid 10 DC score is: the fact that 6th gear could be slightly longer for the straight to really get all the available speed out of the car; and my preference to BHP over Torque, which gives me the tiniest shred of incentive to take of the exhaust and raise the power limiter (more power).
Conclusion: My dream car; a masterpiece; a car I will likely keep for later (if thats ok). I had so much fun driving this car that I completely forgot about the best time, and when I saw that it managed a sub 1:11.000; I was all the more happy. My thanks to the tuner for so much fun in a car.
Tune #4: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.048 (I have no idea how I managed it though)
Excellent car; I really loved it. The gears were near on perfect as they were an improvement on tune #3. I find it hard to compliment this car because of it's largely mechanical feeling. There are no immediate problems with the car, and likewise; there are no things that really spark my interest in it either. The one thing I can say is that I have never felt such control in my life: I actually stopped at one point to check if I had for some reason moved the TCS up to 1 or 2 it was that good. If I could name this car I would call it "Ole Faithful". I was also amazed at how fast it was.
Conclusion: Great car. EXTREMELY FAST. I wish I had more words to describe it.
Tune #5: S2000
DC: 7.4
Best time: 1:11.150
Pretty good for an S2000. The LSD setup worked pretty well with the the turbo, but the turbo itself seemed to drag the chain a little: The extra torque was not necessary, and the powerband was a bit lazy in my eyes. I also had some problems with weight transfer once the back end decided to slide. I would fight to keep the car going throught the corner without roasting the tyres, and if I went too far I simply could not rell it back in. The added ballast to the front could have been the problem. Other wise I found this car very controllable and I am happy to say that the tuner did a good job with the S2000.
Conclusion: A good S2000, definitely something I would drive in 450pp races, but some slight re-modelling of the tune and perhaps a different approach would have been better. Otherwise, very nice.
Tune #6: RX8
DC: 8.9
Best time: 1:11.220
A good tune that would have been excellent with a few changes. First impressions were good in terms of control, braking, and lap times, but as time progressed I found small recurring faults in the car. Everytime I reached the middle of corner 1 I would have to feather the brakes furiously so as not to let the car slide when I hit the throttle. I also experienced some intense understeer through the chicane just before the tunnel that would regularly have me either touching or completely smashing the wall. This car had an excellent ability to go into a corner on my racing line: Good rotation is what I am getting at here, but by the end of the corner I would have possibly understeered straight off and onto the grass. It just didnt seem to utilise the sports hards as well as it could have. I believe the power setup was basically perfect, and the gears also. I found the occasional fault with the LSD and its strange layout. I definitely believe that this car could achieve a much faster time around GVE, but I myself could not get past the faults that I found.
Conclusion: Could have been great with a different approach perhaps. Otherwise was exceptional in all aspects as a regular car to be driven.
Tune #7: RX8
DC: 8.6
Best time: 1:10.831
Good tune in terms of control. The brakes were great; I never lost a second to misjudging them. However, I did lose some time to understeer during the hairpin after the tunnel. It would always be a contest to see how far I could push it before the front wheels started to slide, and I also had some issues with the last chicane , coming up over the hill. It would tend to run wide and I regularly had to back off slightly to keep the car running on my racing line. This is the best car so far perhaps for making the first two corners. Never did I lose the tail end , and the low speed undertseer was not evident this stretch of track. I believe the LSD setup was a definite "yes" by all means, whereas certain attributes of the contrast between suspension and ballast, were a bit of a "no". I believe the camber and spring rate could have differed a little bit. That right hairpin was this cars Kryptonite.
Conclusion: Very user friendly; could take the racing line with ease in most places, and was only dragged down by two corners. For such and almost sublime tune: congrats to the tuner.
Tune #8: S2000
DC: 7.9
Best time: 1:12.418
I admit, I was rather dissapointed with this tune. Not as a whole because the overall car was great, but where one single aspect caused me to deeply dislike this car: Torque. I have experienced it many times where torque has flat out ruined one of my cars, and it has done little less here. I tried very hard to get this faster than 1:12, but it just could not stay straight. Perhaps someone more accustomed to this setup could make good use of it, but not I. The suspension was good, the brakes were good, the simple transmission was great, but none of it could help me to look past the torque. On most if not all corners I would go in relatively fast, but if I was not carrying just the right amount of momentum; I would lose my speed by backing off the throttle mid corner or on corner exit. I would love to simply remove the turbo, lower the limiter, anbd give this car a 9 or more, but I cant. I am very sorry.
Conclusion: It might make a good car for someone else, but not me, and I understand that it is not easy to make a car that appeals to everyone, so I hope that others have liked this car as much as I would have had it not been for that turbo. Good work tuner; bad luck for having me as a tester.
Tune #9: RX8
DC: 9
Best time: 1:10.787
very nice car indeed. Very fast as well. The strange ballast setup definitely caught my eye, and at first I had my doubts, but by remaining in 3rd gear I negated most of the expected sliding. Perfect amount of ration as long as you are going the right speed and can keep your foot lightly pressed to the throttle, and the brakes worked great in contrast. The suspension seemed well setout to handle the ballast, though I would have raised the rear camber and toe angle slightly out of habit. This car did give me some strife during the last corner a few times, and the entrance to the was a bit sketchy at times; even when the car was firmly set on the racing line in the right gear it wanted to do it's own thing in the the tail end. This is a very fast car that would have been better for me with some tweaks of the LSD and suspension, but you cant please everyone. I know it could have gone much faster around the track had I the time to iron out my style to suit the slippery tail of the car.
Conclusion: Awesome car, different, but awesome. Fast, but tamed with an edge of temper that showed once in a while. I thoroughly enjoyed this car though. Keep up the good work tuner #9.
Tune #10: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.527
There really isnt much to say abou this car except that the tuner knew what they were doing, and that they intended on not being discovered by the likes of me. Thus I will not give detailed feedback. It felt it was an average tune, but sitting on sports medium, rather than a great tune sitting on sports hards. Everything felt good to me. It didnt like the dirt one bit.
Conclusion: Very good car; definitely a good way to finish off the RX8s.
Tune #11: S2000
DC: 9.4
Best time: 1:12.502
Very nice car to drive. It always felt as if it would run wide and slide clean off the track, but I believe that this phenomenon only happened 0 times. The heavy setup with plenty of power was a good idea, and the tougher suspension kept the car from "lolling" too much across the track. It was not fast, but it was definitely one, if not, my favorite S2000 of the Duel. the car was greatest at pulling out consistent laps. The brakes were good and the extra weight carried the car through the corners pretty well if you braked too early, but left you in trouble if you braked too early. The mid-corner grip was a bit of a mystery, where my first few laps were plagued with understeer that seemed to decrease with each completed lap afterwards. This left me very satisfied with the car.
Conclusion: Great car, and a better S2000: loved it. Good job to the tuner.
That is it.
If anyone feels as if I have been unfair; please voice your concerns nice and early so I may be able to revise the car.
Man that is a lot of typing.
- 4,015
- New Jersey
- crash27wwjd
That there is a really good review, thank you for the time and effort and overall really good lap timesOk. These are my results for the testing of the Duel.
All cars were given as many laps as I needed to get a decent time. All cars were tested with a DS3. Whilst testing I listened to a custom playlist of 4 Rob Zombie songs (in case anybody thinks that it could have altered the results). My first testing in a competition has been great fun, and I hope that no one is annoyed at my possibly strange times and differing driving style.
Here goes nothing.
Tune #1: RX8
DC: 7.5
Best time: 1:11.048
Not a bad car overall, but it had a feeling of dissonance with me. The whole time I drove the car I didnt feel much confidence in it's abilities. I would push it, and push it, but it would eventually just put me out onto the grass going the wrong direction with smoke and dust everywhere. I also felt that sometimes the front wheels were not even connected to the road. This however, only happened on the first corners, where I would regularly have to trail brake much more than usual to keep it off the grass. The car also seemed to use only a fraction of it's entire suspension travel, which made quite predictable, but also made it feel a but slippery at all times. Amongst all this you wonder why I gave it a 7.5 DC score. The reason for which is because for 4 or 5 laps it just kept getting faster and faster, but after this I lost a bit of patience and failed to beat the final best time, and leading on I learned the car a bit better and I warmed to it very much.
Conclusion: Good tune, but not my kind of tune.
Tune #2: S2000
DC: 8.1
Best time: 1:12.257
Very interesting tune. Loads of grip everywhere except corner entry where its heavy tail end wanted to peak around the front. I was in disbelief at the standard trans, and how it matched the track, and the only con was it's slight sluggishness on corner exit; which made the car easier to control anyway. Spread out over the whole track, this car did exceptionally well and kept me very happy most of the time. I feel that a custom trans setup would have been very beneficial to this car in terms of speed, where the tyres and suspension always seemed to wait for the engine to catch up. very relaxing tune to drive. The engine setup suited me perfectly. The fact that this tune looks, in my eyes, so disjointed and contradictory, and yet performs so well, makes me respect the tune greatly. First impressions were also good. I feel as though I could not grasp it's full potential however.
Conclusion: Different, slower, more relaxing, and very much to my liking. Very good tune: both generally and personally.
Tune #3: RX8
DC: 9.8
Best time: 1:10.880
Absolutely amazing tune: I loved every second of driving it. Everything about this car feels as if it were my own dream come true: it is the embodiment of all of my tuning dreams. The LSD setup; perfect rotation and plenty of grip on corner exit. I found that I was planting the throttle much more vigorously than normal, and when I tried my hardest to get the car to slip or spin, it simply glided through the corner as if the backwheels were not engulfed in smoke, and the front wheels were not almost on fire. This would be a great car for endurance racing. I wont go through every minor detail of this car and how it pleases me, but I will say that I could ask very little more from the tuner of this machine, Literally the only things that separate this car from being a solid 10 DC score is: the fact that 6th gear could be slightly longer for the straight to really get all the available speed out of the car; and my preference to BHP over Torque, which gives me the tiniest shred of incentive to take of the exhaust and raise the power limiter (more power).
Conclusion: My dream car; a masterpiece; a car I will likely keep for later (if thats ok). I had so much fun driving this car that I completely forgot about the best time, and when I saw that it managed a sub 1:11.000; I was all the more happy. My thanks to the tuner for so much fun in a car.
Tune #4: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.048 (I have no idea how I managed it though)
Excellent car; I really loved it. The gears were near on perfect as they were an improvement on tune #3. I find it hard to compliment this car because of it's largely mechanical feeling. There are no immediate problems with the car, and likewise; there are no things that really spark my interest in it either. The one thing I can say is that I have never felt such control in my life: I actually stopped at one point to check if I had for some reason moved the TCS up to 1 or 2 it was that good. If I could name this car I would call it "Ole Faithful". I was also amazed at how fast it was.
Conclusion: Great car. EXTREMELY FAST. I wish I had more words to describe it.
Tune #5: S2000
DC: 7.4
Best time: 1:11.150
Pretty good for an S2000. The LSD setup worked pretty well with the the turbo, but the turbo itself seemed to drag the chain a little: The extra torque was not necessary, and the powerband was a bit lazy in my eyes. I also had some problems with weight transfer once the back end decided to slide. I would fight to keep the car going throught the corner without roasting the tyres, and if I went too far I simply could not rell it back in. The added ballast to the front could have been the problem. Other wise I found this car very controllable and I am happy to say that the tuner did a good job with the S2000.
Conclusion: A good S2000, definitely something I would drive in 450pp races, but some slight re-modelling of the tune and perhaps a different approach would have been better. Otherwise, very nice.
Tune #6: RX8
DC: 8.9
Best time: 1:11.220
A good tune that would have been excellent with a few changes. First impressions were good in terms of control, braking, and lap times, but as time progressed I found small recurring faults in the car. Everytime I reached the middle of corner 1 I would have to feather the brakes furiously so as not to let the car slide when I hit the throttle. I also experienced some intense understeer through the chicane just before the tunnel that would regularly have me either touching or completely smashing the wall. This car had an excellent ability to go into a corner on my racing line: Good rotation is what I am getting at here, but by the end of the corner I would have possibly understeered straight off and onto the grass. It just didnt seem to utilise the sports hards as well as it could have. I believe the power setup was basically perfect, and the gears also. I found the occasional fault with the LSD and its strange layout. I definitely believe that this car could achieve a much faster time around GVE, but I myself could not get past the faults that I found.
Conclusion: Could have been great with a different approach perhaps. Otherwise was exceptional in all aspects as a regular car to be driven.
Tune #7: RX8
DC: 8.6
Best time: 1:10.831
Good tune in terms of control. The brakes were great; I never lost a second to misjudging them. However, I did lose some time to understeer during the hairpin after the tunnel. It would always be a contest to see how far I could push it before the front wheels started to slide, and I also had some issues with the last chicane , coming up over the hill. It would tend to run wide and I regularly had to back off slightly to keep the car running on my racing line. This is the best car so far perhaps for making the first two corners. Never did I lose the tail end , and the low speed undertseer was not evident this stretch of track. I believe the LSD setup was a definite "yes" by all means, whereas certain attributes of the contrast between suspension and ballast, were a bit of a "no". I believe the camber and spring rate could have differed a little bit. That right hairpin was this cars Kryptonite.
Conclusion: Very user friendly; could take the racing line with ease in most places, and was only dragged down by two corners. For such and almost sublime tune: congrats to the tuner.
Tune #8: S2000
DC: 7.9
Best time: 1:12.418
I admit, I was rather dissapointed with this tune. Not as a whole because the overall car was great, but where one single aspect caused me to deeply dislike this car: Torque. I have experienced it many times where torque has flat out ruined one of my cars, and it has done little less here. I tried very hard to get this faster than 1:12, but it just could not stay straight. Perhaps someone more accustomed to this setup could make good use of it, but not I. The suspension was good, the brakes were good, the simple transmission was great, but none of it could help me to look past the torque. On most if not all corners I would go in relatively fast, but if I was not carrying just the right amount of momentum; I would lose my speed by backing off the throttle mid corner or on corner exit. I would love to simply remove the turbo, lower the limiter, anbd give this car a 9 or more, but I cant. I am very sorry.
Conclusion: It might make a good car for someone else, but not me, and I understand that it is not easy to make a car that appeals to everyone, so I hope that others have liked this car as much as I would have had it not been for that turbo. Good work tuner; bad luck for having me as a tester.
Tune #9: RX8
DC: 9
Best time: 1:10.787
very nice car indeed. Very fast as well. The strange ballast setup definitely caught my eye, and at first I had my doubts, but by remaining in 3rd gear I negated most of the expected sliding. Perfect amount of ration as long as you are going the right speed and can keep your foot lightly pressed to the throttle, and the brakes worked great in contrast. The suspension seemed well setout to handle the ballast, though I would have raised the rear camber and toe angle slightly out of habit. This car did give me some strife during the last corner a few times, and the entrance to the was a bit sketchy at times; even when the car was firmly set on the racing line in the right gear it wanted to do it's own thing in the the tail end. This is a very fast car that would have been better for me with some tweaks of the LSD and suspension, but you cant please everyone. I know it could have gone much faster around the track had I the time to iron out my style to suit the slippery tail of the car.
Conclusion: Awesome car, different, but awesome. Fast, but tamed with an edge of temper that showed once in a while. I thoroughly enjoyed this car though. Keep up the good work tuner #9.
Tune #10: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.527
There really isnt much to say abou this car except that the tuner knew what they were doing, and that they intended on not being discovered by the likes of me. Thus I will not give detailed feedback. It felt it was an average tune, but sitting on sports medium, rather than a great tune sitting on sports hards. Everything felt good to me. It didnt like the dirt one bit.
Conclusion: Very good car; definitely a good way to finish off the RX8s.
Tune #11: S2000
DC: 9.4
Best time: 1:12.502
Very nice car to drive. It always felt as if it would run wide and slide clean off the track, but I believe that this phenomenon only happened 0 times. The heavy setup with plenty of power was a good idea, and the tougher suspension kept the car from "lolling" too much across the track. It was not fast, but it was definitely one, if not, my favorite S2000 of the Duel. the car was greatest at pulling out consistent laps. The brakes were good and the extra weight carried the car through the corners pretty well if you braked too early, but left you in trouble if you braked too early. The mid-corner grip was a bit of a mystery, where my first few laps were plagued with understeer that seemed to decrease with each completed lap afterwards. This left me very satisfied with the car.
Conclusion: Great car, and a better S2000: loved it. Good job to the tuner.
That is it.
If anyone feels as if I have been unfair; please voice your concerns nice and early so I may be able to revise the car.
Man that is a lot of typing.
!If you have the keys to the car, just don't give them back
Glad you enjoyed some fun, hard to ask but I have to, do you have any idea who's tune was whose?
- 1,337
- Wisconsin
- DaBomm4
- DaBomm16
First,Ok. These are my results for the testing of the Duel.
All cars were given as many laps as I needed to get a decent time. All cars were tested with a DS3. Whilst testing I listened to a custom playlist of 4 Rob Zombie songs (in case anybody thinks that it could have altered the results). My first testing in a competition has been great fun, and I hope that no one is annoyed at my possibly strange times and differing driving style.
Here goes nothing.
Tune #1: RX8
DC: 7.5
Best time: 1:11.048
Not a bad car overall, but it had a feeling of dissonance with me. The whole time I drove the car I didnt feel much confidence in it's abilities. I would push it, and push it, but it would eventually just put me out onto the grass going the wrong direction with smoke and dust everywhere. I also felt that sometimes the front wheels were not even connected to the road. This however, only happened on the first corners, where I would regularly have to trail brake much more than usual to keep it off the grass. The car also seemed to use only a fraction of it's entire suspension travel, which made quite predictable, but also made it feel a but slippery at all times. Amongst all this you wonder why I gave it a 7.5 DC score. The reason for which is because for 4 or 5 laps it just kept getting faster and faster, but after this I lost a bit of patience and failed to beat the final best time, and leading on I learned the car a bit better and I warmed to it very much.
Conclusion: Good tune, but not my kind of tune.
Tune #2: S2000
DC: 8.1
Best time: 1:12.257
Very interesting tune. Loads of grip everywhere except corner entry where its heavy tail end wanted to peak around the front. I was in disbelief at the standard trans, and how it matched the track, and the only con was it's slight sluggishness on corner exit; which made the car easier to control anyway. Spread out over the whole track, this car did exceptionally well and kept me very happy most of the time. I feel that a custom trans setup would have been very beneficial to this car in terms of speed, where the tyres and suspension always seemed to wait for the engine to catch up. very relaxing tune to drive. The engine setup suited me perfectly. The fact that this tune looks, in my eyes, so disjointed and contradictory, and yet performs so well, makes me respect the tune greatly. First impressions were also good. I feel as though I could not grasp it's full potential however.
Conclusion: Different, slower, more relaxing, and very much to my liking. Very good tune: both generally and personally.
Tune #3: RX8
DC: 9.8
Best time: 1:10.880
Absolutely amazing tune: I loved every second of driving it. Everything about this car feels as if it were my own dream come true: it is the embodiment of all of my tuning dreams. The LSD setup; perfect rotation and plenty of grip on corner exit. I found that I was planting the throttle much more vigorously than normal, and when I tried my hardest to get the car to slip or spin, it simply glided through the corner as if the backwheels were not engulfed in smoke, and the front wheels were not almost on fire. This would be a great car for endurance racing. I wont go through every minor detail of this car and how it pleases me, but I will say that I could ask very little more from the tuner of this machine, Literally the only things that separate this car from being a solid 10 DC score is: the fact that 6th gear could be slightly longer for the straight to really get all the available speed out of the car; and my preference to BHP over Torque, which gives me the tiniest shred of incentive to take of the exhaust and raise the power limiter (more power).
Conclusion: My dream car; a masterpiece; a car I will likely keep for later (if thats ok). I had so much fun driving this car that I completely forgot about the best time, and when I saw that it managed a sub 1:11.000; I was all the more happy. My thanks to the tuner for so much fun in a car.
Tune #4: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.048 (I have no idea how I managed it though)
Excellent car; I really loved it. The gears were near on perfect as they were an improvement on tune #3. I find it hard to compliment this car because of it's largely mechanical feeling. There are no immediate problems with the car, and likewise; there are no things that really spark my interest in it either. The one thing I can say is that I have never felt such control in my life: I actually stopped at one point to check if I had for some reason moved the TCS up to 1 or 2 it was that good. If I could name this car I would call it "Ole Faithful". I was also amazed at how fast it was.
Conclusion: Great car. EXTREMELY FAST. I wish I had more words to describe it.
Tune #5: S2000
DC: 7.4
Best time: 1:11.150
Pretty good for an S2000. The LSD setup worked pretty well with the the turbo, but the turbo itself seemed to drag the chain a little: The extra torque was not necessary, and the powerband was a bit lazy in my eyes. I also had some problems with weight transfer once the back end decided to slide. I would fight to keep the car going throught the corner without roasting the tyres, and if I went too far I simply could not rell it back in. The added ballast to the front could have been the problem. Other wise I found this car very controllable and I am happy to say that the tuner did a good job with the S2000.
Conclusion: A good S2000, definitely something I would drive in 450pp races, but some slight re-modelling of the tune and perhaps a different approach would have been better. Otherwise, very nice.
Tune #6: RX8
DC: 8.9
Best time: 1:11.220
A good tune that would have been excellent with a few changes. First impressions were good in terms of control, braking, and lap times, but as time progressed I found small recurring faults in the car. Everytime I reached the middle of corner 1 I would have to feather the brakes furiously so as not to let the car slide when I hit the throttle. I also experienced some intense understeer through the chicane just before the tunnel that would regularly have me either touching or completely smashing the wall. This car had an excellent ability to go into a corner on my racing line: Good rotation is what I am getting at here, but by the end of the corner I would have possibly understeered straight off and onto the grass. It just didnt seem to utilise the sports hards as well as it could have. I believe the power setup was basically perfect, and the gears also. I found the occasional fault with the LSD and its strange layout. I definitely believe that this car could achieve a much faster time around GVE, but I myself could not get past the faults that I found.
Conclusion: Could have been great with a different approach perhaps. Otherwise was exceptional in all aspects as a regular car to be driven.
Tune #7: RX8
DC: 8.6
Best time: 1:10.831
Good tune in terms of control. The brakes were great; I never lost a second to misjudging them. However, I did lose some time to understeer during the hairpin after the tunnel. It would always be a contest to see how far I could push it before the front wheels started to slide, and I also had some issues with the last chicane , coming up over the hill. It would tend to run wide and I regularly had to back off slightly to keep the car running on my racing line. This is the best car so far perhaps for making the first two corners. Never did I lose the tail end , and the low speed undertseer was not evident this stretch of track. I believe the LSD setup was a definite "yes" by all means, whereas certain attributes of the contrast between suspension and ballast, were a bit of a "no". I believe the camber and spring rate could have differed a little bit. That right hairpin was this cars Kryptonite.
Conclusion: Very user friendly; could take the racing line with ease in most places, and was only dragged down by two corners. For such and almost sublime tune: congrats to the tuner.
Tune #8: S2000
DC: 7.9
Best time: 1:12.418
I admit, I was rather dissapointed with this tune. Not as a whole because the overall car was great, but where one single aspect caused me to deeply dislike this car: Torque. I have experienced it many times where torque has flat out ruined one of my cars, and it has done little less here. I tried very hard to get this faster than 1:12, but it just could not stay straight. Perhaps someone more accustomed to this setup could make good use of it, but not I. The suspension was good, the brakes were good, the simple transmission was great, but none of it could help me to look past the torque. On most if not all corners I would go in relatively fast, but if I was not carrying just the right amount of momentum; I would lose my speed by backing off the throttle mid corner or on corner exit. I would love to simply remove the turbo, lower the limiter, anbd give this car a 9 or more, but I cant. I am very sorry.
Conclusion: It might make a good car for someone else, but not me, and I understand that it is not easy to make a car that appeals to everyone, so I hope that others have liked this car as much as I would have had it not been for that turbo. Good work tuner; bad luck for having me as a tester.
Tune #9: RX8
DC: 9
Best time: 1:10.787
very nice car indeed. Very fast as well. The strange ballast setup definitely caught my eye, and at first I had my doubts, but by remaining in 3rd gear I negated most of the expected sliding. Perfect amount of ration as long as you are going the right speed and can keep your foot lightly pressed to the throttle, and the brakes worked great in contrast. The suspension seemed well setout to handle the ballast, though I would have raised the rear camber and toe angle slightly out of habit. This car did give me some strife during the last corner a few times, and the entrance to the was a bit sketchy at times; even when the car was firmly set on the racing line in the right gear it wanted to do it's own thing in the the tail end. This is a very fast car that would have been better for me with some tweaks of the LSD and suspension, but you cant please everyone. I know it could have gone much faster around the track had I the time to iron out my style to suit the slippery tail of the car.
Conclusion: Awesome car, different, but awesome. Fast, but tamed with an edge of temper that showed once in a while. I thoroughly enjoyed this car though. Keep up the good work tuner #9.
Tune #10: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.527
There really isnt much to say abou this car except that the tuner knew what they were doing, and that they intended on not being discovered by the likes of me. Thus I will not give detailed feedback. It felt it was an average tune, but sitting on sports medium, rather than a great tune sitting on sports hards. Everything felt good to me. It didnt like the dirt one bit.
Conclusion: Very good car; definitely a good way to finish off the RX8s.
Tune #11: S2000
DC: 9.4
Best time: 1:12.502
Very nice car to drive. It always felt as if it would run wide and slide clean off the track, but I believe that this phenomenon only happened 0 times. The heavy setup with plenty of power was a good idea, and the tougher suspension kept the car from "lolling" too much across the track. It was not fast, but it was definitely one, if not, my favorite S2000 of the Duel. the car was greatest at pulling out consistent laps. The brakes were good and the extra weight carried the car through the corners pretty well if you braked too early, but left you in trouble if you braked too early. The mid-corner grip was a bit of a mystery, where my first few laps were plagued with understeer that seemed to decrease with each completed lap afterwards. This left me very satisfied with the car.
Conclusion: Great car, and a better S2000: loved it. Good job to the tuner.
That is it.
If anyone feels as if I have been unfair; please voice your concerns nice and early so I may be able to revise the car.
Man that is a lot of typing.
, great job and like a few other testers, you hit the nail on the head with the good and the bad of my tune. I know I can be a crazy man some times, but I try to keep those tunes to myself as they probably are too crazy. Thanks for the review and looking forward to seeing you participate in the next event.
- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
Fantastic driving and great feed back sir Thank youOk. These are my results for the testing of the Duel.
All cars were given as many laps as I needed to get a decent time. All cars were tested with a DS3. Whilst testing I listened to a custom playlist of 4 Rob Zombie songs (in case anybody thinks that it could have altered the results). My first testing in a competition has been great fun, and I hope that no one is annoyed at my possibly strange times and differing driving style.
Here goes nothing.
Tune #1: RX8
DC: 7.5
Best time: 1:11.048
Not a bad car overall, but it had a feeling of dissonance with me. The whole time I drove the car I didnt feel much confidence in it's abilities. I would push it, and push it, but it would eventually just put me out onto the grass going the wrong direction with smoke and dust everywhere. I also felt that sometimes the front wheels were not even connected to the road. This however, only happened on the first corners, where I would regularly have to trail brake much more than usual to keep it off the grass. The car also seemed to use only a fraction of it's entire suspension travel, which made quite predictable, but also made it feel a but slippery at all times. Amongst all this you wonder why I gave it a 7.5 DC score. The reason for which is because for 4 or 5 laps it just kept getting faster and faster, but after this I lost a bit of patience and failed to beat the final best time, and leading on I learned the car a bit better and I warmed to it very much.
Conclusion: Good tune, but not my kind of tune.
Tune #2: S2000
DC: 8.1
Best time: 1:12.257
Very interesting tune. Loads of grip everywhere except corner entry where its heavy tail end wanted to peak around the front. I was in disbelief at the standard trans, and how it matched the track, and the only con was it's slight sluggishness on corner exit; which made the car easier to control anyway. Spread out over the whole track, this car did exceptionally well and kept me very happy most of the time. I feel that a custom trans setup would have been very beneficial to this car in terms of speed, where the tyres and suspension always seemed to wait for the engine to catch up. very relaxing tune to drive. The engine setup suited me perfectly. The fact that this tune looks, in my eyes, so disjointed and contradictory, and yet performs so well, makes me respect the tune greatly. First impressions were also good. I feel as though I could not grasp it's full potential however.
Conclusion: Different, slower, more relaxing, and very much to my liking. Very good tune: both generally and personally.
Tune #3: RX8
DC: 9.8
Best time: 1:10.880
Absolutely amazing tune: I loved every second of driving it. Everything about this car feels as if it were my own dream come true: it is the embodiment of all of my tuning dreams. The LSD setup; perfect rotation and plenty of grip on corner exit. I found that I was planting the throttle much more vigorously than normal, and when I tried my hardest to get the car to slip or spin, it simply glided through the corner as if the backwheels were not engulfed in smoke, and the front wheels were not almost on fire. This would be a great car for endurance racing. I wont go through every minor detail of this car and how it pleases me, but I will say that I could ask very little more from the tuner of this machine, Literally the only things that separate this car from being a solid 10 DC score is: the fact that 6th gear could be slightly longer for the straight to really get all the available speed out of the car; and my preference to BHP over Torque, which gives me the tiniest shred of incentive to take of the exhaust and raise the power limiter (more power).
Conclusion: My dream car; a masterpiece; a car I will likely keep for later (if thats ok). I had so much fun driving this car that I completely forgot about the best time, and when I saw that it managed a sub 1:11.000; I was all the more happy. My thanks to the tuner for so much fun in a car.
Tune #4: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.048 (I have no idea how I managed it though)
Excellent car; I really loved it. The gears were near on perfect as they were an improvement on tune #3. I find it hard to compliment this car because of it's largely mechanical feeling. There are no immediate problems with the car, and likewise; there are no things that really spark my interest in it either. The one thing I can say is that I have never felt such control in my life: I actually stopped at one point to check if I had for some reason moved the TCS up to 1 or 2 it was that good. If I could name this car I would call it "Ole Faithful". I was also amazed at how fast it was.
Conclusion: Great car. EXTREMELY FAST. I wish I had more words to describe it.
Tune #5: S2000
DC: 7.4
Best time: 1:11.150
Pretty good for an S2000. The LSD setup worked pretty well with the the turbo, but the turbo itself seemed to drag the chain a little: The extra torque was not necessary, and the powerband was a bit lazy in my eyes. I also had some problems with weight transfer once the back end decided to slide. I would fight to keep the car going throught the corner without roasting the tyres, and if I went too far I simply could not rell it back in. The added ballast to the front could have been the problem. Other wise I found this car very controllable and I am happy to say that the tuner did a good job with the S2000.
Conclusion: A good S2000, definitely something I would drive in 450pp races, but some slight re-modelling of the tune and perhaps a different approach would have been better. Otherwise, very nice.
Tune #6: RX8
DC: 8.9
Best time: 1:11.220
A good tune that would have been excellent with a few changes. First impressions were good in terms of control, braking, and lap times, but as time progressed I found small recurring faults in the car. Everytime I reached the middle of corner 1 I would have to feather the brakes furiously so as not to let the car slide when I hit the throttle. I also experienced some intense understeer through the chicane just before the tunnel that would regularly have me either touching or completely smashing the wall. This car had an excellent ability to go into a corner on my racing line: Good rotation is what I am getting at here, but by the end of the corner I would have possibly understeered straight off and onto the grass. It just didnt seem to utilise the sports hards as well as it could have. I believe the power setup was basically perfect, and the gears also. I found the occasional fault with the LSD and its strange layout. I definitely believe that this car could achieve a much faster time around GVE, but I myself could not get past the faults that I found.
Conclusion: Could have been great with a different approach perhaps. Otherwise was exceptional in all aspects as a regular car to be driven.
Tune #7: RX8
DC: 8.6
Best time: 1:10.831
Good tune in terms of control. The brakes were great; I never lost a second to misjudging them. However, I did lose some time to understeer during the hairpin after the tunnel. It would always be a contest to see how far I could push it before the front wheels started to slide, and I also had some issues with the last chicane , coming up over the hill. It would tend to run wide and I regularly had to back off slightly to keep the car running on my racing line. This is the best car so far perhaps for making the first two corners. Never did I lose the tail end , and the low speed undertseer was not evident this stretch of track. I believe the LSD setup was a definite "yes" by all means, whereas certain attributes of the contrast between suspension and ballast, were a bit of a "no". I believe the camber and spring rate could have differed a little bit. That right hairpin was this cars Kryptonite.
Conclusion: Very user friendly; could take the racing line with ease in most places, and was only dragged down by two corners. For such and almost sublime tune: congrats to the tuner.
Tune #8: S2000
DC: 7.9
Best time: 1:12.418
I admit, I was rather dissapointed with this tune. Not as a whole because the overall car was great, but where one single aspect caused me to deeply dislike this car: Torque. I have experienced it many times where torque has flat out ruined one of my cars, and it has done little less here. I tried very hard to get this faster than 1:12, but it just could not stay straight. Perhaps someone more accustomed to this setup could make good use of it, but not I. The suspension was good, the brakes were good, the simple transmission was great, but none of it could help me to look past the torque. On most if not all corners I would go in relatively fast, but if I was not carrying just the right amount of momentum; I would lose my speed by backing off the throttle mid corner or on corner exit. I would love to simply remove the turbo, lower the limiter, anbd give this car a 9 or more, but I cant. I am very sorry.
Conclusion: It might make a good car for someone else, but not me, and I understand that it is not easy to make a car that appeals to everyone, so I hope that others have liked this car as much as I would have had it not been for that turbo. Good work tuner; bad luck for having me as a tester.
Tune #9: RX8
DC: 9
Best time: 1:10.787
very nice car indeed. Very fast as well. The strange ballast setup definitely caught my eye, and at first I had my doubts, but by remaining in 3rd gear I negated most of the expected sliding. Perfect amount of ration as long as you are going the right speed and can keep your foot lightly pressed to the throttle, and the brakes worked great in contrast. The suspension seemed well setout to handle the ballast, though I would have raised the rear camber and toe angle slightly out of habit. This car did give me some strife during the last corner a few times, and the entrance to the was a bit sketchy at times; even when the car was firmly set on the racing line in the right gear it wanted to do it's own thing in the the tail end. This is a very fast car that would have been better for me with some tweaks of the LSD and suspension, but you cant please everyone. I know it could have gone much faster around the track had I the time to iron out my style to suit the slippery tail of the car.
Conclusion: Awesome car, different, but awesome. Fast, but tamed with an edge of temper that showed once in a while. I thoroughly enjoyed this car though. Keep up the good work tuner #9.
Tune #10: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.527
There really isnt much to say abou this car except that the tuner knew what they were doing, and that they intended on not being discovered by the likes of me. Thus I will not give detailed feedback. It felt it was an average tune, but sitting on sports medium, rather than a great tune sitting on sports hards. Everything felt good to me. It didnt like the dirt one bit.
Conclusion: Very good car; definitely a good way to finish off the RX8s.
Tune #11: S2000
DC: 9.4
Best time: 1:12.502
Very nice car to drive. It always felt as if it would run wide and slide clean off the track, but I believe that this phenomenon only happened 0 times. The heavy setup with plenty of power was a good idea, and the tougher suspension kept the car from "lolling" too much across the track. It was not fast, but it was definitely one, if not, my favorite S2000 of the Duel. the car was greatest at pulling out consistent laps. The brakes were good and the extra weight carried the car through the corners pretty well if you braked too early, but left you in trouble if you braked too early. The mid-corner grip was a bit of a mystery, where my first few laps were plagued with understeer that seemed to decrease with each completed lap afterwards. This left me very satisfied with the car.
Conclusion: Great car, and a better S2000: loved it. Good job to the tuner.
That is it.
If anyone feels as if I have been unfair; please voice your concerns nice and early so I may be able to revise the car.
Man that is a lot of typing.
Times have been loaded up.
Looks like tuner #4 has pulled away leading in to the back straight and is making a run for the finish with #10 hot on his tail pipe.
GVE R Lap Time Podium
1 Tuner #4 1:10.889 +0.000
2 Tuner #10 1:10.965 +0.075
3 Tuner #7 1:11.063 +0.174
4 Tuner #9 1:11.145 +0.256
5 Tuner #3 1:11.222 +0.332
Drivers Choice Podium
1 Tuner #4 8.61
2 Tuner #7 8.60
3 Tuner #9 8.51
4 Tuner #6 8.43
5 Tuner #3 8.40
Fastest Lap at GVE R
1:10.048; Tuner #4's tune Driven By nijalnininja
@Bowtie-muscle Thank you for your comment earlier. I will gladly score any event.
- 7,163
- Exeter
- morans1980
Ok. These are my results for the testing of the Duel.
All cars were given as many laps as I needed to get a decent time. All cars were tested with a DS3. Whilst testing I listened to a custom playlist of 4 Rob Zombie songs (in case anybody thinks that it could have altered the results). My first testing in a competition has been great fun, and I hope that no one is annoyed at my possibly strange times and differing driving style.
Here goes nothing.
Tune #1: RX8
DC: 7.5
Best time: 1:11.048
Not a bad car overall, but it had a feeling of dissonance with me. The whole time I drove the car I didnt feel much confidence in it's abilities. I would push it, and push it, but it would eventually just put me out onto the grass going the wrong direction with smoke and dust everywhere. I also felt that sometimes the front wheels were not even connected to the road. This however, only happened on the first corners, where I would regularly have to trail brake much more than usual to keep it off the grass. The car also seemed to use only a fraction of it's entire suspension travel, which made quite predictable, but also made it feel a but slippery at all times. Amongst all this you wonder why I gave it a 7.5 DC score. The reason for which is because for 4 or 5 laps it just kept getting faster and faster, but after this I lost a bit of patience and failed to beat the final best time, and leading on I learned the car a bit better and I warmed to it very much.
Conclusion: Good tune, but not my kind of tune.
Tune #2: S2000
DC: 8.1
Best time: 1:12.257
Very interesting tune. Loads of grip everywhere except corner entry where its heavy tail end wanted to peak around the front. I was in disbelief at the standard trans, and how it matched the track, and the only con was it's slight sluggishness on corner exit; which made the car easier to control anyway. Spread out over the whole track, this car did exceptionally well and kept me very happy most of the time. I feel that a custom trans setup would have been very beneficial to this car in terms of speed, where the tyres and suspension always seemed to wait for the engine to catch up. very relaxing tune to drive. The engine setup suited me perfectly. The fact that this tune looks, in my eyes, so disjointed and contradictory, and yet performs so well, makes me respect the tune greatly. First impressions were also good. I feel as though I could not grasp it's full potential however.
Conclusion: Different, slower, more relaxing, and very much to my liking. Very good tune: both generally and personally.
Tune #3: RX8
DC: 9.8
Best time: 1:10.880
Absolutely amazing tune: I loved every second of driving it. Everything about this car feels as if it were my own dream come true: it is the embodiment of all of my tuning dreams. The LSD setup; perfect rotation and plenty of grip on corner exit. I found that I was planting the throttle much more vigorously than normal, and when I tried my hardest to get the car to slip or spin, it simply glided through the corner as if the backwheels were not engulfed in smoke, and the front wheels were not almost on fire. This would be a great car for endurance racing. I wont go through every minor detail of this car and how it pleases me, but I will say that I could ask very little more from the tuner of this machine, Literally the only things that separate this car from being a solid 10 DC score is: the fact that 6th gear could be slightly longer for the straight to really get all the available speed out of the car; and my preference to BHP over Torque, which gives me the tiniest shred of incentive to take of the exhaust and raise the power limiter (more power).
Conclusion: My dream car; a masterpiece; a car I will likely keep for later (if thats ok). I had so much fun driving this car that I completely forgot about the best time, and when I saw that it managed a sub 1:11.000; I was all the more happy. My thanks to the tuner for so much fun in a car.
Tune #4: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.048 (I have no idea how I managed it though)
Excellent car; I really loved it. The gears were near on perfect as they were an improvement on tune #3. I find it hard to compliment this car because of it's largely mechanical feeling. There are no immediate problems with the car, and likewise; there are no things that really spark my interest in it either. The one thing I can say is that I have never felt such control in my life: I actually stopped at one point to check if I had for some reason moved the TCS up to 1 or 2 it was that good. If I could name this car I would call it "Ole Faithful". I was also amazed at how fast it was.
Conclusion: Great car. EXTREMELY FAST. I wish I had more words to describe it.
Tune #5: S2000
DC: 7.4
Best time: 1:11.150
Pretty good for an S2000. The LSD setup worked pretty well with the the turbo, but the turbo itself seemed to drag the chain a little: The extra torque was not necessary, and the powerband was a bit lazy in my eyes. I also had some problems with weight transfer once the back end decided to slide. I would fight to keep the car going throught the corner without roasting the tyres, and if I went too far I simply could not rell it back in. The added ballast to the front could have been the problem. Other wise I found this car very controllable and I am happy to say that the tuner did a good job with the S2000.
Conclusion: A good S2000, definitely something I would drive in 450pp races, but some slight re-modelling of the tune and perhaps a different approach would have been better. Otherwise, very nice.
Tune #6: RX8
DC: 8.9
Best time: 1:11.220
A good tune that would have been excellent with a few changes. First impressions were good in terms of control, braking, and lap times, but as time progressed I found small recurring faults in the car. Everytime I reached the middle of corner 1 I would have to feather the brakes furiously so as not to let the car slide when I hit the throttle. I also experienced some intense understeer through the chicane just before the tunnel that would regularly have me either touching or completely smashing the wall. This car had an excellent ability to go into a corner on my racing line: Good rotation is what I am getting at here, but by the end of the corner I would have possibly understeered straight off and onto the grass. It just didnt seem to utilise the sports hards as well as it could have. I believe the power setup was basically perfect, and the gears also. I found the occasional fault with the LSD and its strange layout. I definitely believe that this car could achieve a much faster time around GVE, but I myself could not get past the faults that I found.
Conclusion: Could have been great with a different approach perhaps. Otherwise was exceptional in all aspects as a regular car to be driven.
Tune #7: RX8
DC: 8.6
Best time: 1:10.831
Good tune in terms of control. The brakes were great; I never lost a second to misjudging them. However, I did lose some time to understeer during the hairpin after the tunnel. It would always be a contest to see how far I could push it before the front wheels started to slide, and I also had some issues with the last chicane , coming up over the hill. It would tend to run wide and I regularly had to back off slightly to keep the car running on my racing line. This is the best car so far perhaps for making the first two corners. Never did I lose the tail end , and the low speed undertseer was not evident this stretch of track. I believe the LSD setup was a definite "yes" by all means, whereas certain attributes of the contrast between suspension and ballast, were a bit of a "no". I believe the camber and spring rate could have differed a little bit. That right hairpin was this cars Kryptonite.
Conclusion: Very user friendly; could take the racing line with ease in most places, and was only dragged down by two corners. For such and almost sublime tune: congrats to the tuner.
Tune #8: S2000
DC: 7.9
Best time: 1:12.418
I admit, I was rather dissapointed with this tune. Not as a whole because the overall car was great, but where one single aspect caused me to deeply dislike this car: Torque. I have experienced it many times where torque has flat out ruined one of my cars, and it has done little less here. I tried very hard to get this faster than 1:12, but it just could not stay straight. Perhaps someone more accustomed to this setup could make good use of it, but not I. The suspension was good, the brakes were good, the simple transmission was great, but none of it could help me to look past the torque. On most if not all corners I would go in relatively fast, but if I was not carrying just the right amount of momentum; I would lose my speed by backing off the throttle mid corner or on corner exit. I would love to simply remove the turbo, lower the limiter, anbd give this car a 9 or more, but I cant. I am very sorry.
Conclusion: It might make a good car for someone else, but not me, and I understand that it is not easy to make a car that appeals to everyone, so I hope that others have liked this car as much as I would have had it not been for that turbo. Good work tuner; bad luck for having me as a tester.
Tune #9: RX8
DC: 9
Best time: 1:10.787
very nice car indeed. Very fast as well. The strange ballast setup definitely caught my eye, and at first I had my doubts, but by remaining in 3rd gear I negated most of the expected sliding. Perfect amount of ration as long as you are going the right speed and can keep your foot lightly pressed to the throttle, and the brakes worked great in contrast. The suspension seemed well setout to handle the ballast, though I would have raised the rear camber and toe angle slightly out of habit. This car did give me some strife during the last corner a few times, and the entrance to the was a bit sketchy at times; even when the car was firmly set on the racing line in the right gear it wanted to do it's own thing in the the tail end. This is a very fast car that would have been better for me with some tweaks of the LSD and suspension, but you cant please everyone. I know it could have gone much faster around the track had I the time to iron out my style to suit the slippery tail of the car.
Conclusion: Awesome car, different, but awesome. Fast, but tamed with an edge of temper that showed once in a while. I thoroughly enjoyed this car though. Keep up the good work tuner #9.
Tune #10: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.527
There really isnt much to say abou this car except that the tuner knew what they were doing, and that they intended on not being discovered by the likes of me. Thus I will not give detailed feedback. It felt it was an average tune, but sitting on sports medium, rather than a great tune sitting on sports hards. Everything felt good to me. It didnt like the dirt one bit.
Conclusion: Very good car; definitely a good way to finish off the RX8s.
Tune #11: S2000
DC: 9.4
Best time: 1:12.502
Very nice car to drive. It always felt as if it would run wide and slide clean off the track, but I believe that this phenomenon only happened 0 times. The heavy setup with plenty of power was a good idea, and the tougher suspension kept the car from "lolling" too much across the track. It was not fast, but it was definitely one, if not, my favorite S2000 of the Duel. the car was greatest at pulling out consistent laps. The brakes were good and the extra weight carried the car through the corners pretty well if you braked too early, but left you in trouble if you braked too early. The mid-corner grip was a bit of a mystery, where my first few laps were plagued with understeer that seemed to decrease with each completed lap afterwards. This left me very satisfied with the car.
Conclusion: Great car, and a better S2000: loved it. Good job to the tuner.
That is it.
If anyone feels as if I have been unfair; please voice your concerns nice and early so I may be able to revise the car.
Man that is a lot of typing.
Nice times again, Thanks for the review and comments on my tune. Great testing all round so far.
- 11,660
- GTP_Orido
Ok. These are my results for the testing of the Duel.
All cars were given as many laps as I needed to get a decent time. All cars were tested with a DS3. Whilst testing I listened to a custom playlist of 4 Rob Zombie songs (in case anybody thinks that it could have altered the results). My first testing in a competition has been great fun, and I hope that no one is annoyed at my possibly strange times and differing driving style.
Here goes nothing.
Tune #1: RX8
DC: 7.5
Best time: 1:11.048
Not a bad car overall, but it had a feeling of dissonance with me. The whole time I drove the car I didnt feel much confidence in it's abilities. I would push it, and push it, but it would eventually just put me out onto the grass going the wrong direction with smoke and dust everywhere. I also felt that sometimes the front wheels were not even connected to the road. This however, only happened on the first corners, where I would regularly have to trail brake much more than usual to keep it off the grass. The car also seemed to use only a fraction of it's entire suspension travel, which made quite predictable, but also made it feel a but slippery at all times. Amongst all this you wonder why I gave it a 7.5 DC score. The reason for which is because for 4 or 5 laps it just kept getting faster and faster, but after this I lost a bit of patience and failed to beat the final best time, and leading on I learned the car a bit better and I warmed to it very much.
Conclusion: Good tune, but not my kind of tune.
Tune #2: S2000
DC: 8.1
Best time: 1:12.257
Very interesting tune. Loads of grip everywhere except corner entry where its heavy tail end wanted to peak around the front. I was in disbelief at the standard trans, and how it matched the track, and the only con was it's slight sluggishness on corner exit; which made the car easier to control anyway. Spread out over the whole track, this car did exceptionally well and kept me very happy most of the time. I feel that a custom trans setup would have been very beneficial to this car in terms of speed, where the tyres and suspension always seemed to wait for the engine to catch up. very relaxing tune to drive. The engine setup suited me perfectly. The fact that this tune looks, in my eyes, so disjointed and contradictory, and yet performs so well, makes me respect the tune greatly. First impressions were also good. I feel as though I could not grasp it's full potential however.
Conclusion: Different, slower, more relaxing, and very much to my liking. Very good tune: both generally and personally.
Tune #3: RX8
DC: 9.8
Best time: 1:10.880
Absolutely amazing tune: I loved every second of driving it. Everything about this car feels as if it were my own dream come true: it is the embodiment of all of my tuning dreams. The LSD setup; perfect rotation and plenty of grip on corner exit. I found that I was planting the throttle much more vigorously than normal, and when I tried my hardest to get the car to slip or spin, it simply glided through the corner as if the backwheels were not engulfed in smoke, and the front wheels were not almost on fire. This would be a great car for endurance racing. I wont go through every minor detail of this car and how it pleases me, but I will say that I could ask very little more from the tuner of this machine, Literally the only things that separate this car from being a solid 10 DC score is: the fact that 6th gear could be slightly longer for the straight to really get all the available speed out of the car; and my preference to BHP over Torque, which gives me the tiniest shred of incentive to take of the exhaust and raise the power limiter (more power).
Conclusion: My dream car; a masterpiece; a car I will likely keep for later (if thats ok). I had so much fun driving this car that I completely forgot about the best time, and when I saw that it managed a sub 1:11.000; I was all the more happy. My thanks to the tuner for so much fun in a car.
Tune #4: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.048 (I have no idea how I managed it though)
Excellent car; I really loved it. The gears were near on perfect as they were an improvement on tune #3. I find it hard to compliment this car because of it's largely mechanical feeling. There are no immediate problems with the car, and likewise; there are no things that really spark my interest in it either. The one thing I can say is that I have never felt such control in my life: I actually stopped at one point to check if I had for some reason moved the TCS up to 1 or 2 it was that good. If I could name this car I would call it "Ole Faithful". I was also amazed at how fast it was.
Conclusion: Great car. EXTREMELY FAST. I wish I had more words to describe it.
Tune #5: S2000
DC: 7.4
Best time: 1:11.150
Pretty good for an S2000. The LSD setup worked pretty well with the the turbo, but the turbo itself seemed to drag the chain a little: The extra torque was not necessary, and the powerband was a bit lazy in my eyes. I also had some problems with weight transfer once the back end decided to slide. I would fight to keep the car going throught the corner without roasting the tyres, and if I went too far I simply could not rell it back in. The added ballast to the front could have been the problem. Other wise I found this car very controllable and I am happy to say that the tuner did a good job with the S2000.
Conclusion: A good S2000, definitely something I would drive in 450pp races, but some slight re-modelling of the tune and perhaps a different approach would have been better. Otherwise, very nice.
Tune #6: RX8
DC: 8.9
Best time: 1:11.220
A good tune that would have been excellent with a few changes. First impressions were good in terms of control, braking, and lap times, but as time progressed I found small recurring faults in the car. Everytime I reached the middle of corner 1 I would have to feather the brakes furiously so as not to let the car slide when I hit the throttle. I also experienced some intense understeer through the chicane just before the tunnel that would regularly have me either touching or completely smashing the wall. This car had an excellent ability to go into a corner on my racing line: Good rotation is what I am getting at here, but by the end of the corner I would have possibly understeered straight off and onto the grass. It just didnt seem to utilise the sports hards as well as it could have. I believe the power setup was basically perfect, and the gears also. I found the occasional fault with the LSD and its strange layout. I definitely believe that this car could achieve a much faster time around GVE, but I myself could not get past the faults that I found.
Conclusion: Could have been great with a different approach perhaps. Otherwise was exceptional in all aspects as a regular car to be driven.
Tune #7: RX8
DC: 8.6
Best time: 1:10.831
Good tune in terms of control. The brakes were great; I never lost a second to misjudging them. However, I did lose some time to understeer during the hairpin after the tunnel. It would always be a contest to see how far I could push it before the front wheels started to slide, and I also had some issues with the last chicane , coming up over the hill. It would tend to run wide and I regularly had to back off slightly to keep the car running on my racing line. This is the best car so far perhaps for making the first two corners. Never did I lose the tail end , and the low speed undertseer was not evident this stretch of track. I believe the LSD setup was a definite "yes" by all means, whereas certain attributes of the contrast between suspension and ballast, were a bit of a "no". I believe the camber and spring rate could have differed a little bit. That right hairpin was this cars Kryptonite.
Conclusion: Very user friendly; could take the racing line with ease in most places, and was only dragged down by two corners. For such and almost sublime tune: congrats to the tuner.
Tune #8: S2000
DC: 7.9
Best time: 1:12.418
I admit, I was rather dissapointed with this tune. Not as a whole because the overall car was great, but where one single aspect caused me to deeply dislike this car: Torque. I have experienced it many times where torque has flat out ruined one of my cars, and it has done little less here. I tried very hard to get this faster than 1:12, but it just could not stay straight. Perhaps someone more accustomed to this setup could make good use of it, but not I. The suspension was good, the brakes were good, the simple transmission was great, but none of it could help me to look past the torque. On most if not all corners I would go in relatively fast, but if I was not carrying just the right amount of momentum; I would lose my speed by backing off the throttle mid corner or on corner exit. I would love to simply remove the turbo, lower the limiter, anbd give this car a 9 or more, but I cant. I am very sorry.
Conclusion: It might make a good car for someone else, but not me, and I understand that it is not easy to make a car that appeals to everyone, so I hope that others have liked this car as much as I would have had it not been for that turbo. Good work tuner; bad luck for having me as a tester.
Tune #9: RX8
DC: 9
Best time: 1:10.787
very nice car indeed. Very fast as well. The strange ballast setup definitely caught my eye, and at first I had my doubts, but by remaining in 3rd gear I negated most of the expected sliding. Perfect amount of ration as long as you are going the right speed and can keep your foot lightly pressed to the throttle, and the brakes worked great in contrast. The suspension seemed well setout to handle the ballast, though I would have raised the rear camber and toe angle slightly out of habit. This car did give me some strife during the last corner a few times, and the entrance to the was a bit sketchy at times; even when the car was firmly set on the racing line in the right gear it wanted to do it's own thing in the the tail end. This is a very fast car that would have been better for me with some tweaks of the LSD and suspension, but you cant please everyone. I know it could have gone much faster around the track had I the time to iron out my style to suit the slippery tail of the car.
Conclusion: Awesome car, different, but awesome. Fast, but tamed with an edge of temper that showed once in a while. I thoroughly enjoyed this car though. Keep up the good work tuner #9.
Tune #10: RX8
DC: 9.5
Best time: 1:10.527
There really isnt much to say abou this car except that the tuner knew what they were doing, and that they intended on not being discovered by the likes of me. Thus I will not give detailed feedback. It felt it was an average tune, but sitting on sports medium, rather than a great tune sitting on sports hards. Everything felt good to me. It didnt like the dirt one bit.
Conclusion: Very good car; definitely a good way to finish off the RX8s.
Tune #11: S2000
DC: 9.4
Best time: 1:12.502
Very nice car to drive. It always felt as if it would run wide and slide clean off the track, but I believe that this phenomenon only happened 0 times. The heavy setup with plenty of power was a good idea, and the tougher suspension kept the car from "lolling" too much across the track. It was not fast, but it was definitely one, if not, my favorite S2000 of the Duel. the car was greatest at pulling out consistent laps. The brakes were good and the extra weight carried the car through the corners pretty well if you braked too early, but left you in trouble if you braked too early. The mid-corner grip was a bit of a mystery, where my first few laps were plagued with understeer that seemed to decrease with each completed lap afterwards. This left me very satisfied with the car.
Conclusion: Great car, and a better S2000: loved it. Good job to the tuner.
That is it.
If anyone feels as if I have been unfair; please voice your concerns nice and early so I may be able to revise the car.
Man that is a lot of typing.
I think you are one of the tester that gave good impression on my car, glad it worked out well, but I won't say more
Awesome times too on all the cars
- 1,485
- Hampshire
- Lionheart2113
Very nicely done @nijalninja So close to breaking the 10's
I say get back to the track and try again!
I say get back to the track and try again!
- 246
- East Central Illinois
- xx-wydopen-xx
Ok, please bear with me as I am not by any means a pro driver. I have been racing Gran Turismo since the first game came out on PS1, but as stated earlier, you guys are out of my league. I use the DS3 controller (both sticks) and a (gasp) automatic transmission. Doing this challenge did teach me a few things about how different cars want and/or need to be driven on a different line and that I need more practice and patience on harder tires. That being said, here goes.
Tune #1 1.12.434 DC score 7.8
This car had plenty of understeer everywhere and just left me with an uneasy feeling when driving it. You have to turn in early and hope it sticks on exit. Also the transition from push to grip is not a smooth one so it often felt like the front end was being yanked over when it caught. Good power and decent gearing were a bonus, but this is not an optimal tune for me.
Tune #2 1.12.946 DC score 8.1
The first of the S2000s had spectacular chassis balance and was very comfy to drive for me. With a real trans and a touch more trail braking, it would be a fantastic tune. Rotated well on slower corners, but felt sluggish at times, especially on the front straight.
Tune #3 1.11.429 DC score 9.7
This car felt right at home as if I had tuned it myself. Great chassis balance with perfect brakes and good acceleration everywhere. I ran my fastest time in this one and it's definitely a keeper!!
Tune #4 1.11.504 DC score 9.5
This car felt just as good as #3 to me and was very easy to drive at the limit. The gearbox was outstanding and fit the track very well. If I were to change anything, I would try to iron out the slight tendency for corner exit understeer. Overall, a great tune.
Tune #5 1.12.822 DC score 8.4
This one was great on the higher speed corners but the transition from corner entry understeer to corner exit oversteer was hard for me to manage at times. It was also harder for me to put the power down in the low speed section after the tunnel. It just required more throttle finesse than some of the others. Otherwise, pretty decent tune overall.
Tune #6 1.11.445 DC score 9.0
This car was very stable everywhere, especially through 1 & 2. Slight understeer makes you hit your marks but the car rewards you if you do. This car has great rear wheel traction everywhere and really puts the power down. Great tune.
Tune #7 1.11.630 DC score 9.2
Perfect chassis balance on this one and it really goes where you point it. I felt like I could drive this one all day (and at 26 laps, I think I did). If I could change one thing, it would be the gearbox as it felt a little short at times. Otherwise fantastic tune. This will be a keeper as well.
Tune #8 1.14.002 DC score 7
This was by far the hardest car for me to drive as I use an auto trans. Once you get down to 2nd, it just wants to roast the tires from too much torque. It had just a little too much trail braking in the faster corners which would heat up the tires making exit oversteer almost inevitable. With a TC setting of 2, I could have probably gotten a much better time.
Tune #9 1.12.049 DC score 8.3
The chassis balance on this one was pretty good as were the brakes, but it's inability to put the power down in the slower corners hurt my lap times tremendously. The trans was very good for the track and with a few tweaks it could be a great car.
Tune #10 1.11.534 DC score 8.9
This was a really good car, but it's tendency to understeer meant you had to run the path the car chose. It was very fast and didn't disappoint on the lap times, but I wouldn't want to have to drive it in traffic. You get a little off line and it wasn't very forgiving. Still, overall a fast car.
Tune #11 1.12.966 DC score 8.1
The last car was very stable and forgiving with plenty of grip everywhere and good rear traction. It felt heavier and slightly less responsive, but very safe. I think what hurt the lap times the most was the trans feeling too tall and sluggish at times. It was a good tune, but didn't seem to stand out from the crowd.
I want to thank you guys for letting me get in on your testing session and I did have a lot of fun with it. It's cool to see how different tuners take different approaches to the same car and in the end, they suit different driving styles. I like my cars to be a little loose going in and hold the line coming out. They need to be able to change direction quickly (especially in traffic) and be forgiving at times. Some of the tunes in this challenge did just that and I applaud everyone's efforts. You guys make the gaming world a better place. As far as guessing which tune belongs to which person, I have no guesses. I am not familiar enough with any of the tuners to say this is (XXX)'s tune. I tune most of my cars myself, but come on here and randomly search for tunes if I get stumped on a particular car. I will try 2-3 from the site and tweak the one that works best for me. As stated before, I don't do a lot of driving on harder tires so that made the driving more of a challenge for me to control cars with less grip than I am used to. I also tend to use TC settings of 1 or 2 quite often to overcome my tendency to get impatient when pushing the limits.
Tune #1 1.12.434 DC score 7.8
This car had plenty of understeer everywhere and just left me with an uneasy feeling when driving it. You have to turn in early and hope it sticks on exit. Also the transition from push to grip is not a smooth one so it often felt like the front end was being yanked over when it caught. Good power and decent gearing were a bonus, but this is not an optimal tune for me.
Tune #2 1.12.946 DC score 8.1
The first of the S2000s had spectacular chassis balance and was very comfy to drive for me. With a real trans and a touch more trail braking, it would be a fantastic tune. Rotated well on slower corners, but felt sluggish at times, especially on the front straight.
Tune #3 1.11.429 DC score 9.7
This car felt right at home as if I had tuned it myself. Great chassis balance with perfect brakes and good acceleration everywhere. I ran my fastest time in this one and it's definitely a keeper!!
Tune #4 1.11.504 DC score 9.5
This car felt just as good as #3 to me and was very easy to drive at the limit. The gearbox was outstanding and fit the track very well. If I were to change anything, I would try to iron out the slight tendency for corner exit understeer. Overall, a great tune.
Tune #5 1.12.822 DC score 8.4
This one was great on the higher speed corners but the transition from corner entry understeer to corner exit oversteer was hard for me to manage at times. It was also harder for me to put the power down in the low speed section after the tunnel. It just required more throttle finesse than some of the others. Otherwise, pretty decent tune overall.
Tune #6 1.11.445 DC score 9.0
This car was very stable everywhere, especially through 1 & 2. Slight understeer makes you hit your marks but the car rewards you if you do. This car has great rear wheel traction everywhere and really puts the power down. Great tune.
Tune #7 1.11.630 DC score 9.2
Perfect chassis balance on this one and it really goes where you point it. I felt like I could drive this one all day (and at 26 laps, I think I did). If I could change one thing, it would be the gearbox as it felt a little short at times. Otherwise fantastic tune. This will be a keeper as well.
Tune #8 1.14.002 DC score 7
This was by far the hardest car for me to drive as I use an auto trans. Once you get down to 2nd, it just wants to roast the tires from too much torque. It had just a little too much trail braking in the faster corners which would heat up the tires making exit oversteer almost inevitable. With a TC setting of 2, I could have probably gotten a much better time.
Tune #9 1.12.049 DC score 8.3
The chassis balance on this one was pretty good as were the brakes, but it's inability to put the power down in the slower corners hurt my lap times tremendously. The trans was very good for the track and with a few tweaks it could be a great car.
Tune #10 1.11.534 DC score 8.9
This was a really good car, but it's tendency to understeer meant you had to run the path the car chose. It was very fast and didn't disappoint on the lap times, but I wouldn't want to have to drive it in traffic. You get a little off line and it wasn't very forgiving. Still, overall a fast car.
Tune #11 1.12.966 DC score 8.1
The last car was very stable and forgiving with plenty of grip everywhere and good rear traction. It felt heavier and slightly less responsive, but very safe. I think what hurt the lap times the most was the trans feeling too tall and sluggish at times. It was a good tune, but didn't seem to stand out from the crowd.
I want to thank you guys for letting me get in on your testing session and I did have a lot of fun with it. It's cool to see how different tuners take different approaches to the same car and in the end, they suit different driving styles. I like my cars to be a little loose going in and hold the line coming out. They need to be able to change direction quickly (especially in traffic) and be forgiving at times. Some of the tunes in this challenge did just that and I applaud everyone's efforts. You guys make the gaming world a better place. As far as guessing which tune belongs to which person, I have no guesses. I am not familiar enough with any of the tuners to say this is (XXX)'s tune. I tune most of my cars myself, but come on here and randomly search for tunes if I get stumped on a particular car. I will try 2-3 from the site and tweak the one that works best for me. As stated before, I don't do a lot of driving on harder tires so that made the driving more of a challenge for me to control cars with less grip than I am used to. I also tend to use TC settings of 1 or 2 quite often to overcome my tendency to get impatient when pushing the limits.
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- Lionheart2113
Great job and thanks for taking part! It's always great to see more people get involved. The goal is to get over 20 tuners/testers so @Otaliema has to modify his spreadsheets!
Edit: No worries about your times or driving style, one of the best things I like about FITT and those involved is that we do tease each other and have fun but we respect all sorts of driving abilities. From the descriptions in your review, you have a great understanding of the cars and how to drive (searching for lines that suit the car & agility needed in traffic) and your driving setup is still better than mine and @biffa3 đź‘Ť
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- 5,489
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- Otaliema
IndeedThe goal is to get over 20 tuners/testers so @Otaliema has to modify his spreadsheets!
if we ever got 21 tuners for a challenge I think testing time would have to extended and we would lose testers due to massive time investment. O_o
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- crash27wwjd
Thank you for the great review, like a few others, we are getting some really good reviews from newcomers. You put up some good times across the field too. Now a few things I have to say:
First - really appreciate you jumping in and enjoying the chaos, I mean fun that is FITT. We are always in need of testers as it does require time spent so it's great when people join in. And as I said, you may find one or two that you really like and want to keep. (sounds like Tune #3:tup
Second - Never apologize about your driving, we all have different styles or driving and tuning, that is the fun of the Shootout. And there are quite a few others who also use auto trans (@Lionheart2113 , @biffa3 , and @DolHaus to name a few). There are also many who use the DS3 (ME
) and Lionheart is still an "X" button masher . Your lap times are right in the range of the others.đź‘ŤThird - You are not used to the harder tires or TC off and performed that well?
To that I say GREAT JOB!I myself always have and still do prefer softer tires (Sport Soft), my first FITT challenge has changed that as has all the other Challenges. I have learned to be a better driver on the harder tires and no longer use TC which I always had at 1 on GT5. So you are not alone there either.
Fourth (and finally) - If you have been tuning for yourself, do not be afraid to jump into the next challenge (whenever it happens) as a tuner. We all have fun with each other and are really just a bunch of goofballs but mostly harmless. You find it to be a ton of fun also.
Don't worry about guessing who was who, some of these guys have no clue who's tune was whose.
And the answers will come. I still am not sure about my guesses for the other class
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- crash27wwjd
@mgo @TurnLeft @nijalninja You guys get a pat on the back side too, for rookie testers you guys gave great reviews. Now, your tunes in the GT300 Class.........................................I have no idea who was who really.
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- Otaliema
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- Dolhaus
What time did you get? I'm probably not going to take another run at it, I think I could probably go faster in a different car but I don't really have time to test and build another oneGreat job with the testing solid consistent times. I can't be leave I missed your results post anyways I'll get them loaded up later tonight and see how the podium shifts around.
@DolHaus you have been caught and passes on Eigar finally
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