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Fonce Diablo
from the eighth evolution, yes. Buy it, it makes mincemeat of the '03 subes even, loads of low end torque, exactly what you need in start/stop like yosemite 'n the canyon.đź’ˇ
five second penalty
- Thread starter Fantic
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from the eighth evolution, yes. Buy it, it makes mincemeat of the '03 subes even, loads of low end torque, exactly what you need in start/stop like yosemite 'n the canyon.đź’ˇ
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CRXnut
I agree - there's no point in putting rallying in the game if you can't get it right. For a start, the cars don't get dirty or damaged, and the physics are quite terrible to be honest.
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El Gigante
Just imagine what they could have down with the space freed up by axeing the rally...
More cars per race?
More shiny per car?
...better AI? Nah.
After numerous car changes and modifications as experiments I finally got the HARD GrandCanyon!!! It tested my nerves for sure but I made it without destroying my controller. I am now trying to finish all my missions and having difficulty with most of the ones you guys did also. I am reading posts and watching some of the vids for hints.The 5 second penalty's are really a pain,and sometimes not relevant to your impact.
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- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
Axing the rallying doesn't make the PS2 more powerful which they'd have needed to to do all of thoes things, barring the AI, I do believe they could have done a better job with the AI. but more car's per race would need either lower detail overall or more powerful hardware. All you'd do by removing the rallying is free up disk space of which there was plenty left anyway.Fonce Diablo
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Fine. Use it to give us another track.
Or certain other cars which would be nice to have. *hint. hint.*
Or certain other cars which would be nice to have. *hint. hint.*
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- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
The space is already there, hint hint. To add more content to GT4 ie more car's or tracks wouldn't have needed ANYTHING to be taken out the game, GT4 used roughly 70% of the disk, I can't remember the exact figures but when checked it took up I think 6.something GB out of 9GB. The reason no more car's or tracks were added was time.live4speed
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its worthless......lets hope its not in GT5. i think when a computer car hits you and puts you in the dirt or wall i think thats enough of a penalty! kills your speed!
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Well I beat most of the rallys the proper way, but after losing GC Hard Reverse (I'd won forwards) a few times, I decided to try the wallriding method. Took all the stress right out! I went and got my Escudo, set the tranny to Automatic, and took off, running along the outside edge of every corner I could find. Some tracks it didn't help much (El Capitan), and some it helped immensely (Chamonix, and especially Tahiti...I won by half a lap). Yes, it's cheap, but I really don't care one tiny little bit, because I don't have perfect throttle control like the AI and can't accelerate just the right amount on every corner. So, screw it, I'll cheat. Besides, after beating M34 by more than 2 seconds, I feel I don't need to prove anything with the rallys 
- 19,311
- Inland Empire SoCal
- SOLID_LIFTERS
I never was crazy for the Rally race events, but I always finished them, and I always got gold for the Rally license tests. But, GT4 has made up my mind that I hope not another GT title features this type of racing. It sucks, and blows. I don't think I'm going to finish all the Rally races, which means no 100% finish for me for the first time in GT game title. Trust me, I'm no happy about it, but with such a horrible feature, there's nothing in me that wants to do something about it.
I really hate it when you drive and keep a straight line, the stupid AI bumps you, but you get the penalty. It's hard enough to beat the bastard as it is. Did PD really have to go and make it this hard, and ridiculous for us? This truly was a stupid mistake on their part.
I really hate it when you drive and keep a straight line, the stupid AI bumps you, but you get the penalty. It's hard enough to beat the bastard as it is. Did PD really have to go and make it this hard, and ridiculous for us? This truly was a stupid mistake on their part.
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Just remember 3 things:
1. Fishtail corners if you can't slow down, so you hit the walls with your car's unpenalizable ass.
2. Wall-riding. It's usually faster than trying to slow down enough to avoid touching the walls, and can't get you a penalty easily.
3. Escort Rally car. I forget what rally you win it in, but it will clean the floor with everything, even the mighty Evo VII Rally, when tuned. Plus it's free, and thus saves you $1.35mil (That's too expensive for any rally car IMO) The Toyata RSC Rally Raid is also a good choice.
But, why is it, that to follow the CPU's driving line, you can't seem to go nearly as fast as he can without going way out to the walls?
1. Fishtail corners if you can't slow down, so you hit the walls with your car's unpenalizable ass.
2. Wall-riding. It's usually faster than trying to slow down enough to avoid touching the walls, and can't get you a penalty easily.
3. Escort Rally car. I forget what rally you win it in, but it will clean the floor with everything, even the mighty Evo VII Rally, when tuned. Plus it's free, and thus saves you $1.35mil (That's too expensive for any rally car IMO) The Toyata RSC Rally Raid is also a good choice.
But, why is it, that to follow the CPU's driving line, you can't seem to go nearly as fast as he can without going way out to the walls?
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- un_peacekeeper
3-Wheel Drive
I think you're just applying too much throttle, and initates wheelspin.
Fantic
I completely agree, i have one left to do in the special conditions section and it is chamonix Hard, and i really dont' want to do it. Why is it that when the other car hits YOU, they never get the penalty and have to slow down, also they always seem to take the perfect line and never slide too wide nomatter how fast they are going. I also have to agree and say that if it appears in GT5, i will have second thoughts about the game, irrespective how realistic it is.
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The only thing that annoys me about the penalties is that sometimes you can make a genuine mistake, say brake too late, leave the road into the sand and hit a wall. You think you've been punished enough by losing several seconds and having to make your way back onto the track, but you get a penalty for your trouble as well, making it twice as costly.
I agree with penalties for hitting cars though, accidental or otherwise. In a real race, if you hit a car from behind, even by accident, you'll probably damage at least one of the cars so there should be some consequence. I'd like to see it fixed so the AI gets penalties and you won't be penalised for them hitting you however.
I agree with penalties for hitting cars though, accidental or otherwise. In a real race, if you hit a car from behind, even by accident, you'll probably damage at least one of the cars so there should be some consequence. I'd like to see it fixed so the AI gets penalties and you won't be penalised for them hitting you however.
The 5 sec. penalties are a pain in; more-so in situations such as Ice Arena reverse at hard difficulty. It is VERY difficult to make a pass, let alone a clean pass. But for that I just swung the ass of my Evo rally car around to nail the Impreza in it's front end, that way I don't get the penalty and the AI car is blocked. But you have to make sure you can keep up with him for the first 2 right-handers. Then you could try what I suggested above in the first left or the next right after that. But there's a tip for anyone to use; this is how I did it.
Generally speaking though, 5 second penalties are pretty easily avoided. You just have to know where the good spots for passing are, so you don't overshoot at the wrong spot and bump the AI with your front-end. For the Umbria rally, you have to know where the walls stick out, so you can avoid hitting them. But the bottomline is to practice until you're near perfect, depending on how many A-spec pts. you're looking for.
Generally speaking though, 5 second penalties are pretty easily avoided. You just have to know where the good spots for passing are, so you don't overshoot at the wrong spot and bump the AI with your front-end. For the Umbria rally, you have to know where the walls stick out, so you can avoid hitting them. But the bottomline is to practice until you're near perfect, depending on how many A-spec pts. you're looking for.
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I hate the penalties. However there are a couple of places were you can benifit from raming the AI in a slow corner, take the 5 second penalty, and leave the AI in a ditch. If you do it in a slow corner you usually do not waste to much time. If you do it in the braking zone and keep hitting the AI you do not waste time and do not have additional penalties added while your original penalty counts down.
What I hate the most is the AI hits you in the side, while I maintain my line, and I cop the penalty. Also you can be stationary facing the wrong way and the AI takes no action to avoid you, it then hits you and you get the penalty.
Try following the AI car on the reverse narrow street track and watch it take a uphill corner full speed, hit the house about 6 feet up, land and then take off at full speed. Just stupid.
And I am still yet to win Grand Canyon hard with the Ram.
What I hate the most is the AI hits you in the side, while I maintain my line, and I cop the penalty. Also you can be stationary facing the wrong way and the AI takes no action to avoid you, it then hits you and you get the penalty.
Try following the AI car on the reverse narrow street track and watch it take a uphill corner full speed, hit the house about 6 feet up, land and then take off at full speed. Just stupid.
And I am still yet to win Grand Canyon hard with the Ram.
Uncle Harry
Yeah I know what you mean there. That's just plain stupid, but heck, I guess the AI has to have some kind of advantage over you by staying at full-throttle longer than you. But I think there is a certain way to do it in which you won't get the penalty. I do remember doing this once.
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The 5 second penalty in GT4 is VERY annoying and those races are very hard to beat. I used a much faster car (well obviously). I would just hug the walls, this helped me a lot on the dirt tracks. And if your going to hit a wall, hit it with the rear/back of your car, you wont get penalized.
The only race I havent beat yet is the Grand Canyon. I think this race should be added on the racing missions, because its really a tough race to beat
The only race I havent beat yet is the Grand Canyon. I think this race should be added on the racing missions, because its really a tough race to beat
The Grand Canyon is a really neat track once you learn it well enough. Just practice on it, normal and reverse.But there's one piece of advice I'll give: if you're on Grand Canyon reverse, make sure that just before lift-off of the last hill on the longest straight, that you BRAKE and turn the car right. If you don't do this, you'll be screwed, and you'll dive nose-first into the barrier. I had to do this everytime on Grand Canyon Hard, since my car was faster than on the previous difficulties, and I think once I got a penalty for it, due to the fact that the tail of my car was all that touched the barricade and it swung the front end back around - just as the AI car was approaching.
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ok, so whats the best car for the "hard"? the escort? thanks
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- Queens, New York City
But those special conditions are some of easiest racing in the entire game. With the right vehicle and ice wall-riding (a definite dirty and underhanded driving method), you get so far ahead that you never see your opponent even in the rear mirror.
For the most part I didn't have to wall-ride, but just to get past an opponent it is a fine method.
A high, loosely sprung car with tires at high camber rates practically bites into the ice or dirt and gives decent traction for straights and turns.
Or whenever I just wanted to rush through to completion, I would just glide around the track hugging the wall with my eyes half-closed. You just need to decide your course of action. Hard way? Easy way?
Let your conscience be your guide.
For the most part I didn't have to wall-ride, but just to get past an opponent it is a fine method.
A high, loosely sprung car with tires at high camber rates practically bites into the ice or dirt and gives decent traction for straights and turns.
Or whenever I just wanted to rush through to completion, I would just glide around the track hugging the wall with my eyes half-closed. You just need to decide your course of action. Hard way? Easy way?
Let your conscience be your guide.
