Florida Church to hold "Burn a Quran Day" on 9/11. Update: He didn't do it.

[-Cheezman-]

Lol

(sorry, I always look for an excuse to use that macro)

See how messed up this is? Why should he be forced to tear it down? He or she just wouldn't be able to insure it or sell it. But now you're gonna come knock it down?

Why should some one be allowed to build an unsafe addition on their house that could not only result in their personal injury, but the injury of others?

What if they run a gas line in the addition to the house and incorrectly install it and it explodes? Or what if they incorrectly wire up the house and it catches fire, the fire then spreads quickly to a neighboring structure?

Permits aren't there because the state wants to control everything, they are there so stupid people can't do stupid things.

Also, if you build an addition without a permit and get caught, you don't have to tear it down, you have to have it inspected, if it's unsafe, then you have to tear it down. Regardless, you still get fined for breaking the law.

Back on topic: The First amendment grants anyone the right to burn any religous text. Period.

I don't agree with any religion, but, if one wants to burn the others books; fine by me. I think people need to stop being overly sensitive about fairy tales.

Not only that, but, burning the Quran isn't going to make America "less safe." The extremists that flew planes in to the twin towers made it pretty clear they hate us already.

 

[A2K78]

Why should some one be allowed to build an unsafe addition on their house that could not only result in their personal injury, but the injury of others?

What if they run a gas line in the addition to the house and incorrectly install it and it explodes? Or what if they incorrectly wire up the house and it catches fire, the fire then spreads quickly to a neighboring structure?

Permits aren't there because the state wants to control everything, they are there so stupid people can't do stupid things.

Also, if you build an addition without a permit and get caught, you don't have to tear it down, you have to have it inspected, if it's unsafe, then you have to tear it down. Regardless, you still get fined for breaking the law.

Back on topic: The First amendment grants anyone the right to burn any religous text. Period.

I don't agree with any religion, but, if one wants to burn the others books; fine by me. I think people need to stop being overly sensitive about fairy tales.

Not only that, but, burning the Quran isn't going to make America "less safe." The extremists that flew planes in to the twin towers made it pretty clear they hate us already.

First of all on the issue of permits, the whole idea of permits is ridiculous because as I have said, a permit tells me that I need the permission of the government to engage in an activity, even though those that are off limits to the government.


As for building a unsafe structure, if I build a structure and it cause the death of other individual then the next of kin has every right to demand 100% restitution from me and this is how property rights work.

 

[nine4t4]

Forget the arguments for/or against religion. Civilized people don't burn books. Nazis burn books!!! That goes double for religious books.

I don't agree with any religion, especially when they are co-opted by self-interest groups.

Jones is absolutely no different than Imams that breed terrorism. He's a hate monger. And people died because of his actions.

Did he think they were going to burn bibles as a retort? You're talkin about a group that has people that will blow themselves up. WTF?

Hold the man accountable. The Constitution holds freedom of religion as sacred. That doesn't apply to any specific religion, but to all (regardless of how idiotic organized religion can be)

 

[Speedy Samurai]

It's interesting that he chose to have a 'trial' for the quaran. The judicial system is part of the state and is separate from the church. The church has the "render unto ceasar what is ceasar's" teaching which indicates a separation of state and church.

The guy's just a moron. I'm not muslim but I still violent anger towards him.

 

[Touring Mars]

Forget the arguments for/or against religion. Civilized people don't burn books. Nazis burn books!!! That goes double for religious books.

I don't agree with any religion, especially when they are co-opted by self-interest groups.

Jones is absolutely no different than Imams that breed terrorism. He's a hate monger. And people died because of his actions.

Did he think they were going to burn bibles as a retort? You're talkin about a group that has people that will blow themselves up. WTF?

Hold the man accountable. The Constitution holds freedom of religion as sacred. That doesn't apply to any specific religion, but to all (regardless of how idiotic organized religion can be)

I fully agree that Pastors Jones and Sapp (the latter is the one who actually burned the Qu'ran) are not civilised people, and the loss of life during the protests against this vile and downright stupid act is terrible, but the responsibility for these deaths lies squarely at the feet of the murderers and not with these idiot book burners. For example, the brutal murder of UN staff in Mazar-i-Sharif was not the action of indignant protesters, but a targeted act of horrific violence by armed militia who needed little to no encouragement to act in this way. Civilised people the world over are surely disgusted by the behaviour of these two fundamentalist bigots, but at the same time, we should also be appalled at the extreme and disproportionate violence against innocent people, for which this book burning is being used as a mere pretext.

 

[FoolKiller]

It's interesting that he chose to have a 'trial' for the quaran. The judicial system is part of the state and is separate from the church. The church has the "render unto ceasar what is ceasar's" teaching which indicates a separation of state and church.

The guy's just a moron. I'm not muslim but I still violent anger towards him.

I suggest you find a copy of The Old Testament and give Exodus 18 a read if you think there is no judicial system in judeo-christian beliefs. The US Supreme Court building has carvings of historical judges carved into it over the entrances. Moses is at the center of one side.

All that said, these people do not represent the true nature of Christianity, rather those who wish it were still Old Testament style fire and brimstone. Makes one wonder why they are Christians, as it was the covenant with Christ that ended that form of punishment.

 

[Speedy Samurai]

I suggest you find a copy of The Old Testament and give Exodus 18 a read if you think there is no judicial system in judeo-christian beliefs.

Oh. He's a follow of Judaism who happens to be a pastor. I didn't know that.

All that said, these people do not represent the true nature of Christianity, rather those who wish it were still Old Testament style fire and brimstone. Makes one wonder why they are Christians, as it was the covenant with Christ that ended that form of punishment.

exactly.

 

[drivehard]

"I fully agree that Pastors Jones and Sapp (the latter is the one who actually burned the Qu'ran) are not civilised people, and the loss of life during the protests against this vile and downright stupid act is terrible, but the responsibility for these deaths lies squarely at the feet of the murderers and not with these idiot book burners. For example, the brutal murder of UN staff in Mazar-i-Sharif was not the action of indignant protesters, but a targeted act of horrific violence by armed militia who needed little to no encouragement to act in this way. Civilised people the world over are surely disgusted by the behaviour of these two fundamentalist bigots, but at the same time, we should also be appalled at the extreme and disproportionate violence against innocent people, for which this book burning is being used as a mere pretext."

Couldn't agree more.

"Back on topic: The First amendment grants anyone the right to burn any religous text. Period.

I don't agree with any religion, but, if one wants to burn the others books; fine by me. I think people need to stop being overly sensitive about fairy tales."

I agree with this as well. However, these things are almost always done fully knowing the consequences. This idiot knew burning the Qu'ran wouldn't bring about a date with Jesus. He might even have known that people could die because of it. If I were to use the N word on the southside...What? If I were to call some ones wife a whore...What? If I were to speak in a vulgar manner towards a police officer...What? It's common sense. Cause and effect. Anyone who violates these simple laws of respect knowing full well what the consequences would be should have a better explanation then "passionate declaration". The idiot has no objective other than the empty hope that his empty church takes up another empty crusade.

"Not by enmity is enmity ended. Morality dosen't speak thus, physiology does."

-Nietzsche

 

[prisonermonkeys]

these people do not represent the true nature of Christianity

There is a certain irony in that the people who carry out terror attacks do not represent the majority of the Islamic world. Most Muslims were as horrified by September Eleven as the rest of the world was (though the media only ever showed the celebrations). In burning the Qu'ran, this congregation has shown themselves to be no better than the very people they are protesting against. Arguably, they are worse, because they descreated a holy book that is central to the faith of an entire people, a symbol of what and who they are.

 

[BrutherSuperior]

There is a certain irony in that the people who carry out terror attacks do not represent the majority of the Islamic world. Most Muslims were as horrified by September Eleven as the rest of the world was (though the media only ever showed the celebrations). In burning the Qu'ran, this congregation has shown themselves to be no better than the very people they are protesting against. Arguably, they are worse, because they descreated a holy book that is central to the faith of an entire people, a symbol of what and who they are.

In America you can put a crucifix in a jar of piss or cover it with insects, have it as an exhibit in a museum, and you'll be called a 'courageous' artist.

Wipe your ass with the koran and post a vid on YouTube? People will get their heads lopped off in various places across the globe.

Out of all of this, does anyone see the irony of that?

 

[FoolKiller]

Oh. He's a follow of Judaism who happens to be a pastor. I didn't know that.

The Bible used by pretty much all recognized Christian Denominations, even the slightly different Catholic version, has both an old and new testament. So yes, a Christian pastor will follow many Jewish beliefs. Why else would Christians rant on about the Ten Commandments?

There is a certain irony in that the people who carry out terror attacks do not represent the majority of the Islamic world. Most Muslims were as horrified by September Eleven as the rest of the world was (though the media only ever showed the celebrations). In burning the Qu'ran, this congregation has shown themselves to be no better than the very people they are protesting against. Arguably, they are worse, because they descreated a holy book that is central to the faith of an entire people, a symbol of what and who they are.

I always like to remind Christian friends that think that Islam = terrorists that the KKK was founded in the name of Christianity. If they don't get my point I then accuse them of being racists and explain that the KKK is a Christian organization so clearly all Christians are in agreement with the KKK. If they still don't get it I go on to bring up bombers of abortion clinics and the murderers of abortion doctors.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I just remember seeing messages after 9/11 reading "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim", and it just blew my mind as to how ignorant people could be. Have they never heard of the Provisional IRA? Catholic terrorists. Shining Path? Peruvian Maoists. The Red Army Faction, otherwise knoen as Baader-Meinhof? German anti-imperialists. Tamil Tigers? Sri Lankan militia. Euskadi Ta Askatasuna? Basque separatists. Aum Shinrikyo? A cult.

While the majority of terrorist organisations - al'Qaeda, Abu Sayyaf, Jemaah Islamiyah and so on - are indeed founded in Islamic states, there have been dozens of groups that do not subscribe to Islamic ideologies.

 

[FoolKiller]

I just remember seeing messages after 9/11 reading "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim", and it just blew my mind as to how ignorant people could be. Have they never heard of the Provisional IRA? Catholic terrorists. Shining Path? Peruvian Maoists. The Red Army Faction, otherwise knoen as Baader-Meinhof? German anti-imperialists. Tamil Tigers? Sri Lankan militia. Euskadi Ta Askatasuna? Basque separatists. Aum Shinrikyo? A cult.

They are heard of and quickly forgotten, no matter how many songs get made about them. None of them have directly attacked the US.

While the majority of terrorist organisations - al'Qaeda, Abu Sayyaf, Jemaah Islamiyah and so on - are indeed founded in Islamic states, there have been dozens of groups that do not subscribe to Islamic ideologies.

But the Islamic ideologies seem to have a much better publicist.

 

[Omnis]

Surprise! There are idiots no matter where you go in the world:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia...ful-protest-in-wake-of-Quran-burning-violence

More Qurans were burned by Afghans protesting Terry Jones's book-burnings than Terry Jones actually burned during his event.

 

[alexleighton]

Surprise! There are idiots no matter where you go in the world:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia...ful-protest-in-wake-of-Quran-burning-violence

More Qurans were burned by Afghans protesting Terry Jones's book-burnings than Terry Jones actually burned during his event.

It really is just an endless cycle of people becoming as bad as the people who became as bad as the people they were protesting about, who themselves became as bad as another group of people..

Really the best course of action is to just not give these people who are fanning the flames any attention. If the media hadn't picked up on this Quran burning business it just would've been a handful of hillbillies in a swamp burning books. But instead everyone becomes outraged and gives these people attention, exactly what they want.