FM4 Collector's Edition Announced

Not one person has stopped to think how unfair it is, before throwing as much money in T10's direction as they like. Absolutely disgusting that all the best cars you have to pay extra for. I hate this 'DLC' idea for games.

I've stopped to think about it. I even made a few posts about how I despise DLC like this, but I'm still throwing my money at Turn10 so I suppose I;m still part of the problem...



Parker
 
Well, DLC works. It does so with basically every game. Personally, I don't even think it's much of an issue, but then again, I'm the kind of guy that buys two, maybe htree games a year, so I don't really care whether I'm paying 60 or 120 bucks on it, as long as I really enjoy the game.

Plus, there's little we can do about it. I'd take the kind of DLC seen in Forza over the likes in story-driven games, where you need the DLC to get to experience the end of the game. That truly does take away from the game...
 
Not one person has stopped to think how unfair it is, before throwing as much money in T10's direction as they like. Absolutely disgusting that all the best cars you have to pay extra for. I hate this 'DLC' idea for games.

I really can see both sides. On the one hand it's already on the disc so it is rather unfair to lock it to most people. However the locked content does bring some actual incentive to purchase the LE/CE version of a game. Prior to the "DLC era" there really wasn't a reason for developers to even bother with limited versions as they didn't sell, same thing with pre-ordering, it wasn't done a whole lot. However currently you get the usual crap you get with LE's and usually some in game content that will give you a boost early on. In this case 20+ cars(not sure how many of the BMW contest cars are going to be included).
 
If you bought a 4000rwhp car, you'd expect the car to have 400rwhp, correct? Release day DLC is like buying a 400rwhp car, only to find out you only have 200rwhp, and have to pay extra to access to other 200rwhp your engine is capable of achieving. Bad analogy, but I think my point of view is clear.

Actually, they do exactly what you just said. They get a few more hp out of the Superleggera than the regular Gallardo and sell the Superleggera for more.

This. You can see from the following comments in the thread that a lot of people share your view. I understand it's your opinion, and obviously your desire to have a complete package is easy to empathize with, but imagine if I said to you, "well, Parker, I appreciate that you put in an extra 6 hours this week on the job but since you were able to fit it into the same 7 days I was going to pay you for, I see no reason to pay you overtime."

Feel that burn? It's got nothing to do with how many bytes fit on a disc. Bytes don't directly correlate to cost and man hours and sweat and tears. You can't value something solely by how much space it takes up on a disc or on what date it was created.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you should know that it has the potential to insult hard working people. Those extra cars are not part of the product for sale, it's that simple.

(Edit) I'm not saying their exact method is good or bad, just that they need to be allowed the freedom as creators to price and package their wares, digital, physical or service.
 
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I don't think there's much need for a analogy. The developer offers you something. Take it or leave it. That's it. We don't have much say in this whole matter, other than voting with our money.

Now, I'd of course prefer it if all the DLC was offered for free. But... I'm so not going to miss out on the cars I want just to be the first of a few protestants :lol:

By the way, regarding pre-order DLC: I think that's quite far. You put some faith onto the developer, as you're not just waiting for the first reviews to appear and you're rewarded for doing so. Seems okay to me.
 
Actually, they do exactly what you just said. They get a few more hp out of the Superleggera than the regular Gallardo and sell the Superleggera for more.
That's a really, really poor analogy. You rarely ever pay for the more expensive variations of a model just because it has extra power. Lot more going on there that can not be that simply compared to a game.
 
That's a really, really poor analogy. You rarely ever pay for the more expensive variations of a model just because it has extra power.

How is it? It happens all the time. Almost every car is the same way. More powerful version equals more expensive almost every time. He was comparing it with a car that comes with 200hp that is capable of getting 400hp but you have to pay extra to get the full 400hp. Bottom line is if you pay more you generally get more.
 
How is it? It happens all the time. Almost every car is the same way. More powerful version equals more expensive almost every time. He was comparing it with a car that comes with 200hp that is capable of getting 400hp but you have to pay extra to get the full 400hp. Bottom line is if you pay more you generally get more.

I think you're right.

A BMW 318i is going to be cheaper than a BMW 335i, even if both are coming with the same interior.
 
How is it? It happens all the time. Almost every car is the same way. More powerful version equals more expensive almost every time. He was comparing it with a car that comes with 200hp that is capable of getting 400hp but you have to pay extra to get the full 400hp. Bottom line is if you pay more you generally get more.
That's not exactly what he said, though.

He's saying if you bought a car advertised as having 400whp for say, $30,000, you expect it to have 400whp. However, if you pay $30,000 & learn it really only has 200whp & that you have to spend an additional $5,000 for the extra 200whp, then the car isn't actually offering 400whp for $30,000 as advertised. I.e., false advertising.

How this is being used in comparison to the game, though, is beyond me.
 
That's not exactly what he said, though.

He's saying if you bought a car advertised as having 400whp for say, $30,000, you expect it to have 400whp. However, if you pay $30,000 & learn it really only has 200whp & that you have to spend an additional $5,000 for the extra 200whp, then the car isn't actually offering 400whp for $30,000 as advertised. I.e., false advertising.

How this being used in comparison to the game, though, is beyond me.

But the standard edition of the game is not advertising having those specific cars that the LCE version is coming with. Also its not like they are saying the standard game comes with 500 cars but if you minus the cars that come in the LCE its only 495. The LCE version of this game is no different than say the Z06 version of the Corvette as compared to the standard model.
 
But the standard edition of the game is not advertising having those specific cars that the LCE version is coming with. Also its not like they are saying the standard game comes with 500 cars but if you minus the cars that come in the LCE its only 495. The LCE version of this game is no different than say the Z06 version of the Corvette as compared to the standard model.
Which is why you should read my last sentence again....
How this being used in comparison to the game, though, is beyond me.

I understand what he's saying with his analogy. I'm not seeing where it relates to the LCE.
 
Which is why you should read my last sentence again....


I understand what he's saying with his analogy. I'm not seeing where it relates to the LCE.

I agreed with your last statement. That is the reason for my post. Its to show that the logic he used doesn't make any sense because its not whats going on with the LCE version of this game. Its clearly advertised that there is and will be DLC for this game. If you want extra you have to pay extra. They didnt advertise that the LCE cars would be in the standard edition.
 
Is Game the only place in the UK to pre order the LCE?.

I dislike them after the Shift 2 LE.
 
Amazon USA store has the LCE up for pre-order now at $79.99....no pre-order bonus car, release day delivery, or even box art listed yet...but all those will probably be added in time.
 
Sure. It'll be more than early enough to preorder the LCE somewhen around July or August, so no need to worry :)

I may have missed this in the original ad but the gamestop ad says that the LCE version will actually have 25 extra cars!! http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/forza-4-limited-collectors-edition/91872
"Fans who purchase the Limited Collector's Edition for will get the ultimate day-one experience with an additional 25 cars from exclusive car packs and bonus car offers."
I think that's because the original ad didn't gove a clear number for the BMW Art Cars.
 
Sure. It'll be more than early enough to preorder the LCE somewhen around July or August, so no need to worry :)


I think that's because the original ad didn't gove a clear number for the BMW Art Cars.

The ad shows the 5 BMW Art cars and the ad shows 15 cars total. What are the other 10 cars??
 
My bad, then. Didn't habe the original advert memorised that well, it seems :lol:
Anyways, the more, the marrier, right? ;)

Absolutely. Also I was referring to the GS ad. Oh, and I just noticed what the other 10 cars will be: "The Limited Collector's Edition will also include a ten-car add-on pack featuring a selection of the best classic American muscle cars."
http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/LCE_ForzaMotorsport4/
Its in the very first line under the picture.
 
Absolutely. Also I was referring to the GS ad. Oh, and I just noticed what the other 10 cars will be: "The Limited Collector's Edition will also include a ten-car add-on pack featuring a selection of the best classic American muscle cars."
http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/LCE_ForzaMotorsport4/
Its in the very first line under the picture.

Yeah, right, I forgot that :lol:
It's basically the replacement for that Classics pack that came with the FM3 LCE.
 
And training wheels, so you can actually take a corner with it?
Sounds like a plan to me.

But Dan did say that there are more muscle cars in FM4, right? That pack basically confirms that. And also makes me think that the regular car lineup isn't affected much.
 
I'll probably go order it at GameStop somewhen during the next month. No need to rush things and I'm just being lazy :lol:
 
Play dot com have the 1M as their pre-order bonus for the standard edition, but don't have the LCE listed yet. I love the look of that car, so I'll order the LCE through them.
 
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