Food Stamp Glitch at Walmart

[Grayfox]

Welfare has its place.

But I cant grasp the idea of minimum wage.
I understand that tipping helps these workers, but for those who dont get tips is another matter.
The average adult earns about $120 for an 8 hour day.

Earning about $60 is crazy, you would have to work harder than the poor chaps in the foxconn factories that get paid peanuts just to earn enough for petrol for the week.

 

[hogger129]

Dude, life isn't always fair. Some people aren't as fortunate to have a solid source of income. There will be people that take advantage advantage of systems made to help others.

So it's my responsibility to pay for them? I'm not the first national bank of hogger129. I work so that I can have a good life, not so everybody else can use welfare to buy food for their illegitimate kids and then pull out their cash for beer and cigarettes or other stuff they don't need. People abuse the system and our leaders don't care. I think it's crap that some people - like Kobe Bryant - have to pay away 55% of their income in taxes for these people who won't work.

 

[Infinital-NG]

In my state Ky, years back EBT/Food Stamps items were generally "non-prepared food", basic rule of thumb was if you could eat it there in the store and not get sick you couldn't buy it on EBT.

Now there were exclusions. Produce, Dairy Products, but no snacks/beer/tobacco/magazines.

However that rule changed in the past few years and they are allowed to buy pretty much anything.

I work for a POS (Point of Sale Provider) and we handle some grocery stores, so I deal with it often on what's EBT and what's not.

I can understand helping people that are less fortunate, but some people will just have another kid to get them pushed under the line where they can still keep their jobs and get assistance.

 

[phillgt2002]

So it's my responsibility to pay for them? I'm not the first national bank of hogger129. I work so that I can have a good life, not so everybody else can use welfare to buy food for their illegitimate kids and then pull out their cash for beer and cigarettes or other stuff they don't need. People abuse the system and our leaders don't care. I think it's crap that some people - like Kobe Bryant - have to pay away 55% of their income in taxes for these people who won't work.

No one supports the rules being broken. I have a sibling that is in college and she partakes in EBT and has a job. You're taking the service and the people using it and blaming them for you having to pay part of your paycheck. Turn the tables around and I'm sure as hell that you would support EBT.

Also, way to generalize EBT users.

 

[Encyclopedia]

So it's my responsibility to pay for them? I'm not the first national bank of hogger129. I work so that I can have a good life, not so everybody else can use welfare to buy food for their illegitimate kids and then pull out their cash for beer and cigarettes or other stuff they don't need. People abuse the system and our leaders don't care. I think it's crap that some people - like Kobe Bryant - have to pay away 55% of their income in taxes for these people who won't work.

There will always be abusers of every system. But what about all the people who use it legitimately? Shouldn't they be considered? Should the abusers be allowed to take that away from the honest?

 

[Müle]

If 4 out of 5 people abuse the system, and the only options are to leave it as is, or completely eliminate it, I would keep it just for that one person who actually needs it.

 

[hogger129]

If 4 out of 5 people abuse the system, and the only options are to leave it as is, or completely eliminate it, I would keep it just for that one person who actually needs it.

Why would you keep it knowing that 4 out of 5 people are abusing the system? That's money that could be feeding my family, which I worked for.

 

[hogger129]

No one supports the rules being broken. I have a sibling that is in college and she partakes in EBT and has a job. You're taking the service and the people using it and blaming them for you having to pay part of your paycheck. Turn the tables around and I'm sure as hell that you would support EBT.

Also, way to generalize EBT users.

Wait, these people pay my paycheck? Don't think so buddy. If the tables were turned and I was in the poor house, I would do what I did at the age of 16. Get off my butt and get a job. It's called responsibility.

Generalizing? I've never met a single person in my life who actually needs these benefits. Nearly all of them are white trash who don't want to get decent jobs. They just pop out kid after kid so they can keep soaking off of the system.

 

[Northstar]

I'm fine with having the option as even though I have never had to use it, it's nice to know that if I lose my job and can't find another one right away I won't have to starve.

Get off my butt and get a job. It's called responsibility.

Which is easier said than done, especially with the way the economy is as well as the insane requirements employers have these days.

 

[hogger129]

I'm fine with having the option as even though I have never had to use it, it's nice to know that if I lose my job and can't find another one right away I won't have to starve.



Which is easier said than done, especially with the way the economy is as well as the insane requirements employers have these days.

Easier said than done? No it's not. Fill out an application and learn how to interview properly. That is not hard to do at all.

 

[Northstar]

Easier said than done? No it's not. Fill out an application and learn how to interview properly. That is not hard to do at all.

How long has it been since you were on the job market? A lot of employers these days want you to have 5 years of experience for an entry level spot that only pays $9/hour.

Also, I've known people who have used EBT legitimately, they were all only on it for about a month. They weren't exactly happy about it either and said they were embarrassed at the register.

 

[hogger129]

How long has it been since you were on the job market? A lot of employers these days want you to have 5 years of experience for an entry level spot that only pays $9/hour.

Also, I've known people who have used EBT legitimately, they were all only on it for about a month. They weren't exactly happy about it either and said they were embarrassed at the register.

$9/hour? That is great compared to what I got paid in my first job. As for the jobs that require more skill/qualification, that doesn't mean don't apply. There are jobs that require little to no experience that pay well such as trades. I did that for about 5 years. Was unemployed, never collected unemployment benefits either. Lived with the money I saved (another thing most people don't know how to do) until I found another job.

Irresponsibility isn't an excuse for my hard work to pay for people who refuse to work or don't want to apply themselves.

Know how you gain experience? Go to school. How do you go to school? Work until you save up enough money. If it means flipping burgers or waiting tables until you save enough money, so be it.

You can tell me all the sob stories you want, but at the end of the day, people are in their situations because of their choices, not mine. I should not suffer for it.

 

[Müle]

Easier said than done? No it's not. Fill out an application and learn how to interview properly. That is not hard to do at all.

No, it's not, but when hundreds of other people are going for that same position, and every other position, you're almost better off trying to win the lottery, especially if you can't afford higher education.

Perhaps if you took off your far-right glasses and had some perspective, you'd understand a little more. Right now you're coming off as that stereotypical conservative who only cares about himself and doesn't care about people who are legitimately in poverty and actively try to get out of it.

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Know how you gain experience? Go to school. How do you go to school? Work until you save up enough money. If it means flipping burgers or waiting tables until you save enough money, so be it.

Except that McDonalds, let alone being a waiter barely pays for living expenses, let alone a savings account. It works when you're in high school, not in the real world.

 

[hogger129]

No, it's not, but when hundreds of other people are going for that same position, and every other position, you're almost better off trying to win the lottery, especially if you can't afford higher education.

Perhaps if you took off your far-right glasses and had some perspective, you'd understand a little more. Right now you're coming off as that stereotypical conservative who only cares about himself and doesn't care about people who are legitimately in poverty and actively try to get out of it.

Again, this is why you go to school, learn the skills you need and become competitive in the job market. If you learn your trade and are good at it, employers will hire you. The jobs are out there.

My far-right glasses? So suddenly because I work hard and don't rely on other hard working people to pay my way in life, I'm on the 'far-right?' LOL. You act like people are in poverty because of something someone else did to them. The opportunities exist for them to change it. They're the ones who have to do the work.

I care about other people. I just don't think my income ought to be redistributed to them.

 

[Müle]

Again, this is why you go to school, learn the skills you need and become competitive in the job market. If you learn your trade and are good at it, employers will hire you. The jobs are out there.

My far-right glasses? So suddenly because I work hard and don't rely on other hard working people to pay my way in life, I'm on the 'far-right?' LOL. You act like people are in poverty because of something someone else did to them. The opportunities exist for them to change it. They're the ones who have to do the work.

Show me a recent example of an adult forced to work at McDonalds (or a similar minimum wage job) having enough money to pay for school.

I care about other people. I just don't think my income ought to be redistributed to them.

www.fairtax.org

Then vote for someone who will adopt this.

 

[hogger129]

Show me a recent example of an adult forced to work at McDonalds (or a similar minimum wage job) having enough money to pay for school.


www.fairtax.org

Then vote for someone who will adopt this.

It's called 'saving.'

As for the 'fair' tax; who determines what is fair? I sure as hell don't want somebody like 0bama deciding that a 75% tax rate is 'fair.'

 

[Müle]

sigh....

Perhaps read the website?

 

[Shaun]

Generalizing? I've never met a single person in my life who actually needs these benefits.

It's difficult for me to comment as I'm not exactly sure how your system works, what about people with chronic/terminal illness through no fault of their own?
Do they come under a different benefit system?

I get where you are coming from though, I also don't appreciate some of my taxes going to someone who has no intention of working but are capable to do so.

Put in the effort and there is work to be found (here anyway), too many kids these days think it's their right to start near the top earning big dollars.

 

[a6m5]

I think most of us can agree that these EBT/Food Stamp system needs a tune-up. I'm all for struggling people receiving assistance, but I'm of the impression that there is too much room left to manipulate the system. Point hogger's making about the abusers of the systems seems legit, as I also hear same thing in Oregon. I heard on the radio today that Oregon has most expensive childcare in the country, which I'm sure doesn't help. Many low income parents can pocket that ridiculous childcare money, double dip that on top of the government assistance.

To cut out welfare completely sounds crazy to me, but at the same time, just like with anything else, it would be hard for all of us to agree exactly where to draw the line.

 

[Northstar]

$9/hour? That is great compared to what I got paid in my first job.

I'm not talking first jobs, these are full time jobs that an adult would go after.

Know how you gain experience? Go to school. How do you go to school? Work until you save up enough money. If it means flipping burgers or waiting tables until you save enough money, so be it.

I would love to go to school, it's just that I love to have a roof over my head and food in my gut a tad more. Keep in mind that I work near 30 hours a week and get $10/hour(take home is about $260/week) and still can't afford school after rent, food and gas. I want a full-time job, I've been searching for years, but I'm not about to leave a secure one for a temp. agency job with less than 0 job security(another modern trick of the employer, hire temps than let them go right before the hire-on date).

It's great if you were able to live for free at home while you saved for college, but not everyone is that lucky.

 

[hogger129]

I'm not talking first jobs, these are full time jobs that an adult would go after.



I would love to go to school, it's just that I love to have a roof over my head and food in my gut a tad more. Keep in mind that I work near 30 hours a week and get $10/hour(take home is about $260/week) and still can't afford school after rent, food and gas. I want a full-time job, I've been searching for years, but I'm not about to leave a secure one for a temp. agency job with less than 0 job security(another modern trick of the employer, hire temps than let them go right before the hire-on date).

It's great if you were able to live for free at home while you saved for college, but not everyone is that lucky.

Then I guess you're out of luck. None of it is an excuse for people to game the system. I wasn't able to live at home for free. I wanted a car at the age of 16 so I got a job and bought one, had to pay for it all myself. As soon as I turned 18, I was out. I didn't have two pennies to rub together at first. But I worked hard, saved my money, and went to school so that I could have a better way of life for myself.

Ultimately YOU are responsible for your situation. Not your employer or anyone else.

If I can do it, so can anyone else.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Hogger, the mistake you're making is that you assume that your experience and situation applies to everyone else. It's not that easy. And the thing is, there's plenty of outside things that can influence someone's situation. You can't always blame everything on the person.

It's very easy to accuse a poor person of being lazy if you completely ignore all factors that can put a person in that situation.

 

[hogger129]

Hogger, the mistake you're making is that you assume that your experience and situation applies to everyone else. It's not that easy. And the thing is, there's plenty of outside things that can influence someone's situation. You can't always blame everything on the person.

It's very easy to accuse a poor person of being lazy if you completely ignore all factors that can put a person in that situation.

The opportunity is there for them to succeed.

 

[Encyclopedia]

The opportunity is there for them to succeed.

But it varies greatly in size. To some, it is almost impossibly small.

That's why you cannot use your own experience as a template for everyone else.

 

[Northstar]

Ultimately YOU are responsible for your situation. Not your employer or anyone else.

If only it was that simple.

Let me give you one of the easiest examples to give. That being someone with major medical problems. I can understand saying someone who has 0 work ethic has control over their situation, but people have 0-little control over whether or not they get in a car accident that's not their fault or get cancer/other diseases. Sure there is health insurance, but that usually only covers up to a certain point than you have to put up a sizable chunk.

Than you have other situations, like if you have a child with a disability, even middle class families have a hard time affording that if the child needs things like wheelchairs and 24 hour care.

Again, I'm all for restructuring the way things like EBT work, there is no way they should be able to get cigarettes and alcohol. But to say they should be stripped entirely is frankly one of the most selfish things you can say.

 

[hogger129]

If only it was that simple.

Let me give you one of the easiest examples to give. That being someone with major medical problems. I can understand saying someone who has 0 work ethic has control over their situation, but people have 0-little control over whether or not they get in a car accident that's not their fault or get cancer/other diseases. Sure there is health insurance, but that usually only covers up to a certain point than you have to put up a sizable chunk.

Than you have other situations, like if you have a child with a disability, even middle class families have a hard time affording that if the child needs things like wheelchairs and 24 hour care.

Again, I'm all for restructuring the way things like EBT work, there is no way they should be able to get cigarettes and alcohol. But to say they should be stripped entirely is frankly one of the most selfish things you can say.

How old are you? Just asking. Because I know a lot of children who can't take responsibility for themselves.