For Controller users, i have a poll...
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Old school baby, X and box for gas and brake and D-pad for turning. #90sneverended
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Hi Mate - depending on your motive and reasons for this thread, here's my experience with switching from X and Square to Triggers. I also switched from AT to MT at the same time:
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I switched less than 2 weeks ago and it was really hard for a couple of days but slowly I got it and now I wouldn't change back. I tried AT (a couple of the cars are AT by default) and the whole experience just didn't feel as good to me. Not saying it's better or worse - I just appreciate the involvement more.
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Think this has probably come up before so don't shoot me! How much of a disadvantage is it over triggers? Logically the triggers offer gradual input/modulation which I can understand the benefit of but is it worth changing to gain a bit more of a competitive edge for, say, Sport mode? I've...
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I switched less than 2 weeks ago and it was really hard for a couple of days but slowly I got it and now I wouldn't change back. I tried AT (a couple of the cars are AT by default) and the whole experience just didn't feel as good to me. Not saying it's better or worse - I just appreciate the involvement more.
Jewel Runner
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He is switching from R3 to triggers. Probably not the same because R3 can get you into the top 100 which I'm not sure x and square can.Hi Mate - depending on your motive and reasons for this thread, here's my experience with switching from X and Square to Triggers. I also switched from AT to MT at the same time:
X and Square
Think this has probably come up before so don't shoot me! How much of a disadvantage is it over triggers? Logically the triggers offer gradual input/modulation which I can understand the benefit of but is it worth changing to gain a bit more of a competitive edge for, say, Sport mode? I've...
I switched less than 2 weeks ago and it was really hard for a couple of days but slowly I got it and now I wouldn't change back. I tried AT (a couple of the cars are AT by default) and the whole experience just didn't feel as good to me. Not saying it's better or worse - I just appreciate the involvement more.
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Possibly the change may improve my skills/ times
Grimm6Jack
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I checked the poll...
The Joystick is actually the least used method? I must really be outdated then.
I actually prefer the triggers on games with "arcade" driving physics like pretty much any non-racing game or even games like NFS, but on a game where I actually have to be precise in using all types of things (DRS, shifting gears, check info on TCS and brake bias, etc), the joytick is my go to.
Accel/Brake on R2 + L2 will automatically mean that shifting goes to R1 and L1... I just can't get used to that.
The Joystick is actually the least used method? I must really be outdated then.
I actually prefer the triggers on games with "arcade" driving physics like pretty much any non-racing game or even games like NFS, but on a game where I actually have to be precise in using all types of things (DRS, shifting gears, check info on TCS and brake bias, etc), the joytick is my go to.
Accel/Brake on R2 + L2 will automatically mean that shifting goes to R1 and L1... I just can't get used to that.
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I prefer the R3 stick myself. I can use the triggers because I have to do on ACC & NFS: Heat but my preference is the the sticks. It feels natural to me and it is much easier for me to change gears as they are l2/r2. Works really well for me
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I find I feel more precise and steady using the joysticks, have been using them for almost all the GT games from 3 on...
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Actually the trigger setup puts the shifting to square/x, that's how I have mine set up and I don't remember changing it...
Triggers are more like actual pedals IMO, having accel/brake on R3 is more like how a boat works not a car.
People are fast with that though, so whatever, it's a game after all.
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Try the face buttons for shifting, I personally use square and circle or equivalent in other controllers. L1 for looking back, R1 for extra function like boost/DRS. X for handbrake.
I tried the right trigger for throttle/brake but it never felt natural, the non-symmetry of it, but ultimately it's always gonna be personal preference. Try all the options, see what works best.
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I didn't mention this in my earlier post, but the reason I use those myself is for consistency with games that have a clutch, such as Forza and Wreckfest. For those, I have the clutch on X, so you want shifting on square and circle so you can fat thumb the clutch button at the same time when shifting in either direction.
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That's even worse for me...
And I do acknowledge that the triggers, if used by someone who adapted to them fast or is just naturally good at using them, are the right way to go for driving using a controller.
Just for the fact that you can use the "left foot brake" technique, while you can't use it at all with the right Joystick.
One advantage however that the right Joystick has over the triggers is the way you input accel/brake, you are more precise at applying say, half throttle or half brakes with the Joystick than with the R2/L2.
This however, again, is countered by the fact you can use R2/L2 at the same time with the triggers and control those same inputs.
For people who have ABS turned OFF, the joystick is better for heavy braking zones than the triggers... Problem is. pratically no one has ABS turned OFF. And I am yet to see a championship where ABS turned OFF is a requirement.
As stated above, the face buttons for shifting is completely out of place for me. And yeah, ultimately it's all down to personal preference.
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With all respect, at your level I don't think it will. I think only maybe a top 50 or better player might see a minimal difference. I emphasise might and minimal difference, minimal even when between times are small amounts at a certain level. What you're missing atm to be higher rated isn't a button configuration change, it's time and effort.
Hi, Used to do the same myself in early days of GT, used to get bad painful thumb always
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The triggers are more precise once you know how to use them. The stick has no advantage over these at all.
I’m wondering how you’re holding the controller if using the face buttons feels out of place. It feels the least awkward in terms of finger placement to me.
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Jewel Runner
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I don't think this is true. Because it's a controller with smaller inputs than what its real life counterpart is, e.g feet on pedals, there is little to no difference. I don't know if the stick has less travel than the triggers, it probably does, so that gives it even less time between accelerate and brake, but still enough travel to make it infinitely better than x and square. The difference of travel between the the stick and triggers and being able to brake and accelerate at the same time is negligible because the transition between accelerate and brake is so small and the time gained, if any, requires an already highly skilled driver. These lower rated drivers are better concentrating on different things, cutting down on unforced errors and learning how to keep out of trouble to keep their SR up. This guy will end up switching to triggers, getting better at more important things, then coming back wnd saying "wow the triggers are better".
Most people have said they use triggers on this site, but a very small percentage of them will be fast so it doesn't really matter. There's only a small amount of fast controller players that post here. And there's an even smaller amount that are willing to give advice. And to be honest no one should be taking advice off low rated players about getting faster.
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You don’t have to be super fast to know what the best method is, the triggers are the most popular for a reason. I suspect 99% of top controller players will tell OP to use the triggers as well.
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Thank you for your input and the constructive thought, yes I do put in time and effort and always can use more but time always comes at a price from someone/ somewhere else I could be.
What method do you use? I hear your preaching but not understanding where you are, I posted this poll to find out who uses what, NOT to be preached to which method is best.
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Grimm6Jack
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No they are not. In terms of precise Throttle OR Brake (not both at the same time), the right Joystick is a lot easier to apply whatever % of throttle/brake you want. It's literally the reason why I don't ever need to use traction control even on the most spinhappy cars. Not to mention the travel distance between the normal Joystick position to all the way up (full throttle) is larger than the triggers can go.
The biggest advantage of the triggers is the ability to use the brake and throttle at the same time with some control over both. Which might make a difference at a higher level and even then it's probably very negligible. This actually doesn't even give you speed, the main point is more about control than anything else when using this technique (during mid-slow speed corners).
Other advantage is of course that you have your right thumb available for using the face buttons, but other than shifting, look behind, nitro, I don't see much use for them at all during racing and all of the relevant ones can just be used with the R/L buttons.
I'm currently ranked within the top 300 on the Suzuka Time Trial in Sport Mode. I don't know how many players there are taking part in it, but after about 3 minutes of pressing R1 to see how many players were taking part in, I checked at least 52.000 and there were still more to check which I just couldn't bother doing so (which btw if there's anyone here who know how to check the TOTAL players who are taking part in the trials, or at the very least, the last ranked player, I would greatly appreciate).
So that's basically the top ~0.5% of players... Considering most of those top 300 use a wheel, and that I am definitely not the fastest driver using the right Joystick(at least I think so), I can't be so sure about that claim of 99% of the top controller users suggesting the triggers.
Precision is a weird one because you can get extensions for your trigger or stick to increase the travel if you think it helps, for sure I feel like the stick has more travel on the stock controller
This is why Accel right stick and brake R2 is the best of both worlds - especially with the extra feel of the dualsense which helps with braking.
Of course it's not for everyone, and it sounds weird to describe it, but it works for me so I think you should try it.
This is why Accel right stick and brake R2 is the best of both worlds - especially with the extra feel of the dualsense which helps with braking.
Of course it's not for everyone, and it sounds weird to describe it, but it works for me so I think you should try it.
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I'm not 70K DR by any means but I've qualified plenty of times in the top 10-100 on any track I dedicate the time to on GTS and RWD is my fav drivetrain so what I'm going to say is based off of that.
Honestly the only thing triggers have over using an analog stick is the ability to left foot brake/applying brakes while still on the gas. I don't think there's enough people driving or drifting cars at an extremely high level to say that there's an end-all answer to the argument.
Triggers allow you to do two things at once, and when it comes to road cars on street tires or tandem drifting that's the only advantage is being able to left foot brake, stabilize cars at high speed while on the gas, and prepping overtakes by readjusting how fast you're closing in on the car ahead.
FWD cars are a completely different story and I would be 200% lost without left foot braking. Me and that Touring Civic don't get along 😂😂
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RH Stick in 2022?
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