For GT5 new dfp
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I'd buy it if it had a clutch-pedal. Otherwise I'd use the old DFP.
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- JDA1982
Biggest problem with a clutch pedal, besides it being an extra part to break is simulating the feel of a clutch. Yiou just can't do it without the pedal being attached to a proper cluctch thats engaging a real gearbox, attached to a real engine. Without the feel in the pedal it'd be as good as useless, okay you wouldn't have a big problem changing gears, but for setting off, recovering from accidents and lower speed manouvers it'd be crap.
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- GTP_BrokenVow, zmikedz
i think its a bit easier than what people are saying. i think there is one car that has 7 forward gears in the game. or maybe im getting confused with champ cars. anyway, race cars, and what have you, dont have H shifters. id like to see someone fit one in an F1 car or an R8. they are sequential. so the most gears you would have to allow for would be 6 forward and reverse. if you think about how easy it is to switch between 900 mode and 270 mode on the dfp, why does it seem that there would be a problem when driving a 6spd vs some 3spd muscle car? the game knows how many gears the car has, so im pretty sure with an H shifter, you could either switch it off of 6spd mode, or whatever and onto the one you needed. im pretty sure it would matter anyway because its not like the game would recognize any of the other gears. meh.
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- JDA1982
Theres a car with 8 forward gears in GT4. We've already found a way of making a H shifter work, you basically have a 6 slot H gate + a slot for revers, and cars that have more than the 6 forwards gears default to an up/down sequential gearbox, so all the gates barring 1 and 2 get shut out and you just use gates 1 and 2 to shift up and down, or down and up as it would be and have some mechanism to prevent the lever from staying in the slot. It would work but it's probably too complicated and thus costly to make it feasible for production.
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Regardless of the inclusion of an H-Shifter, which IMHO isn't going to be included any time soon, with GT5 being tenatively released at LEAST a year from now (2006?) and with the current DFP being released way back in 2003, making it a 3-year old wheel (at least) by the time GT5 comes out, I would hope to imagine that Sony/PD/Logitech would hopefully work together and release a newer model of the DFP.
My ideal wheel would be based on the old Red Logitech Momo Wheel, where you had a quality MOMO wheel attached, a medal/aluminium casing to house all the internal gears/parts, instead of using plastic as is the case w/the current DFP, as well as using metal/aluminium paddle shifters and a much improved MOMO (possibly) styled sequential shifter...as well as pedals...and of course keeping the 900 degree functionality as well!
The wheel should also have all the buttons mounted in such a way that they are not on the wheel itself, as was the case w/the original Driving Force, which was released with GT3 back in the day!
basically....give me an updated, 900 degree support version of this wheel here...but incorporate a seq. shifter as well...one that could be mounted on either the left or right side of the wheel...just like the current {black} Logitech Momo Racing Wheel.
My ideal wheel would be based on the old Red Logitech Momo Wheel, where you had a quality MOMO wheel attached, a medal/aluminium casing to house all the internal gears/parts, instead of using plastic as is the case w/the current DFP, as well as using metal/aluminium paddle shifters and a much improved MOMO (possibly) styled sequential shifter...as well as pedals...and of course keeping the 900 degree functionality as well!
The wheel should also have all the buttons mounted in such a way that they are not on the wheel itself, as was the case w/the original Driving Force, which was released with GT3 back in the day!
basically....give me an updated, 900 degree support version of this wheel here...but incorporate a seq. shifter as well...one that could be mounted on either the left or right side of the wheel...just like the current {black} Logitech Momo Racing Wheel.
Blackbird.
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- BlackbirdGTP
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Yes it would be very nice, not to mention cool and realistic to have a clutch and a "H" pattern shifter. But probably a Six speed considering the most amount of gears a car has in the game is 6. I remember one car in the past having 7 but I don't think they'd implement it in GT5 again.
I personally think that sony will offer a new DFP with GT5, however, it will not feature anything vastly improved over that of GT4's DFP.
What I do think will be included is:
Stronger/better internal gearing for the force feedback, hopefully something a little quieter, or with better more realistic response.
Better pedals. I definately think they will improve the durability of the pedals.
New design.
Aside from these features, I think it will be nearly identicle to the DFP, and will come in at a price of $149.99
lol. That's just my guess at least!
What I do think will be included is:
Stronger/better internal gearing for the force feedback, hopefully something a little quieter, or with better more realistic response.
Better pedals. I definately think they will improve the durability of the pedals.
New design.
Aside from these features, I think it will be nearly identicle to the DFP, and will come in at a price of $149.99
lol. That's just my guess at least!
Blackbird.
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Gabkicks
1. I disagree because I do believe if they want to strive for more realism they'd add in a clutch and 6speed shifter.
2. Any company strives to make more money as we all know. So why not make us pay $150+ again. Hey I'd buy it. 👍 Of course then the DFP would be useless but hey, maybe I'll collect since I like the GT Series so much. I'm going to get Tourist Trophy but I'll probably rarely ever play it.
Blackbird.
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Did I ask for your opinion? I never will either since all of them suck.
I'm so sorry for my optimistic point of view...
I'm so sorry for my optimistic point of view...
Did I ask for your opinion? I never will either since all of them suck.
I'm so sorry for my optimistic point of view...
Yeh well, I hope one day that I can buy a nice sports car for under $30K, but I know for a fact it's not going to happen.
There's just a *small* difference in being optimistic and realistic, sometimes you have to be the latter just to be smart
Also considering the fact that the DFP and the DrivingForce steering wheel still sell about the same amount quarterly, it's very hard to believe they will just throw them away when they are making money, especially to introduce a wheel that has extreme potential for much failure.
When you "race" your car's in GT4, think how much you shift, how much you brake, etc. Now think about abusing the following parts:
Gas Pedal (which will see MUCH more abuse, this would have to be increased in durability, hence increased cost)
Clutch Pedal (which also will see TONS of action, considering each shift requires you to push it in, hold it, and release)
Shift Box (H-Pattern or not, it will have to be made out of something durable, especially considering that most gear shifts would require you to be fast and accurate, you would have to be rough, being gentile just wouldn't cut it).
Given all of that, they would have to include a lot of metal components and very few springs, as well as a possible hydraulic pump for the clutch pedal and gas pedal to give them feel for feedback between the two pedals.
So, in reality they wouldn't produce it, because the market is too small, and you wouldn't buy it for hte price it would cost anyway
So, even though my opinion sucks, it's much more "real world oriented" than yours is
You're probably right about that, tha_con
But maybe they could make the next wheel upgrade-able?
And when I say upgrade-able, I don't mean having to do it the FREX-way
(which requires opening up your DFP and risking to mess up things)
They could just sell like a stand-alone shifter that you would have to plug-in somewhere. Same goes for a stand-alone clutch pedal...
That way, you'd have the choice how much you're willing to spend on the wheel.
But maybe they could make the next wheel upgrade-able?
And when I say upgrade-able, I don't mean having to do it the FREX-way
(which requires opening up your DFP and risking to mess up things)
They could just sell like a stand-alone shifter that you would have to plug-in somewhere. Same goes for a stand-alone clutch pedal...
That way, you'd have the choice how much you're willing to spend on the wheel.
Kay-tek
While that's possible, it's still much more likely that we will just see a simple quality upgrade as far as Pedals and feedback more than anything else.
And I believe there are companies that already probvide upgradeable parts for the Current DFP, save the shifter.
I think the next DFP will sport a sleeker look, possibly a pro-race wheel i.e. momo etc, along with stronger pedals, and definately stronger gearing on the FFB.
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If they did put the clutch function on, I'd buy it. And modify it with my own parts so it feel real. I'd even add a racing seat to get the realsm. Wouldnt it be cool if they had seats that acted like a controller and leaned when cornering.
as i posted earlier...
http://www.frex.com/gp/
All it needs is proper support from GTx and you're set. You can get everything there. it'll cost ya, but the experience will be unbelievable.
http://www.frex.com/gp/
All it needs is proper support from GTx and you're set. You can get everything there. it'll cost ya, but the experience will be unbelievable.
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sorry
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^ i believe he was referring to the shifter, not the pedals
while a clutch would be nice, it would require the pedal base be quite heavy, or mounted somehow to keep it from tipping up under hard braking etc.
though thats only if they made the brake pedal a bit stiffer, i have used the old squashball, so without that it wouldnt be an issue...but i surely hope the brake and clutch(if it comes, doubful) will not feel like marshmallows!
i'll just cross my fingers and hope for support for all the fun toys from frex
while a clutch would be nice, it would require the pedal base be quite heavy, or mounted somehow to keep it from tipping up under hard braking etc.
though thats only if they made the brake pedal a bit stiffer, i have used the old squashball, so without that it wouldnt be an issue...but i surely hope the brake and clutch(if it comes, doubful) will not feel like marshmallows!
i'll just cross my fingers and hope for support for all the fun toys from frex
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The next dfp doesn't matter to me because I will be using the boomerang!
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