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"Ford Performance" Blue Oval Merges Ford Racing, SVT and RS into Single Brand + More
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About 60% chance it would be AWD imo. Seeing how previous rumours about Ford vehicles ended up being true made me believe this (and of course wishful thinking lol).
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Transit RS? 4WD Transit powered by the same 3.5 turbo engine as the Raptor.
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Transit RS has a nice ring to it. Although a high performance van makes no sense. Although they did it before,
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=t...w.rebelvanners.co.uk%2FSUPERVANS.htm;1280;960
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I think them showing the car sliding around corners is a huge hint that there's power going to the front and rear wheels.
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The GT has to be one of the Perfomance vehicles, especially since it takes center stage on the division's promo picture. It's their halo car, if I had to imagine. Maybe the Shelbys could count, but I am not sure about that. The Taurus? Maybe it'll get a more powerful perfomance version, I dunno. Or maybe it is a sporty Mondeo after all...
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I would think the Taurus SHO would get updated with more power and other tweaks to differentiate itself from the base car. Also, the US market Fusion is the Mondeo. The Taurus is more of a 5-Series/A6 rival, meaning a Performance version above the SHO would likely rival the S6.
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Thinking about performance here's what I think the FP cars should be performance wise
Ford Focus ST - 265HP - Rival - Honda Civic Type R
Ford Fiesta ST 195HP - Rival - VW Golf GTI
Ford Mustang Cobra R - 560HP - Rival - Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
Ford GT - 650HP - Rival - Lamborghini Hurucan LP620-4
Ford Transit RS - 350HP - Rival - I don't know vans
Ford F-150 Raptor - 400HP - Rival - Dodge Ram SRT-10
Ford Mondeo/Fusion ST - 320HP - Rival - Audi S4
Ford Taurus ST - 370HP - Rival - Audi S6/7
Just my thoughts
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Couple of pointers:
- The Civic is said to be making 300hp, so it's natural rival would be the Focus RS. The ST would be more towards the current Megane RS Trophy with 265hp rather than the 247 it currently makes.
- The Fiesta is smaller than the Golf and is more a rival to the Polo GtI and Clio RS 200.
- The Raptor isn't a road focused sports truck like the SRT Ram so the Ram Runner would be a more suitable rival .
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- The Fiesta doesn't compete directly with the Golf, the Focus does.
- For the Cobra R I assume you're talking about the GT350R
- Why a Transit RS? Makes no sense. That's like Dodge making a Caravan Hellcat.
- Raptor vs Ram SRT-10? No.
- Why a 370hp Taurus ST when you already have the 365hp Taurus SHO?
Edit: @AudiMan2011 Yes on the Raptor, but the Ram Runner is not a production truck. Until GM/Dodge come out with a full on production desert runner similar to the Raptor, it has no competition.
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I'll redo it then
Fiesta ST - 140HP - Rival - Abarth 500
GT350R then
Because a Transit RS sounds cool. A Caravan Hellcat would be pretty cool too.
I don't know many pickup trucks apart from F-150 Raptor, RAM SRT and Silverado SS
I would presume the ST would replace the SHO
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Why downgrade the Fiesta ST just so it can compete with a car that hardly sells?
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OK, let me think about this properly.
Ford Fiesta ST 190HP - Renault Clio RS
Ford Focus ST 260HP - Renault Megane 265 RS
Ford Focus RS 315HP - Honda Civic Type R
Ford Mustang GT350R 550HP - Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
Ford GT 650HP - Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Ford F-150 RAPTOR 350HP - Chevrolet Silverado SS
That better?
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Except for those two, sure. Read above: Raptor has no competition at the moment.
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What would be the proper rival to the GT then, the rumored MR Corvette project?
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Not even close. Even I know this, and I know nothing about pick up trucks.
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I can't think of any other rivals for the raptor and only other rivals I can think of for the GT are the 650S and the Viper?
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I would say the upcoming turbocharged 458 replacement would be the GT's most direct rival.
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That does make sense on two fronts; if Ford is planning on using the GT to compete on the GTE class, they will have to clash with the future 458 one way or the other. So, in a way, the main rivals of the GT would be junior supercars such as the 458, the Mclaren 12C and the Mercedes AMG GT, right?
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The 458 and 12C/650S are in that ballpark for the GT. The AMG GT isn't as it's a Porsche 911 competitor.
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GT rivals are 650S and 458T along with the 2015 Z06 I think. Maybe the '13 Viper GTS too as it's in that performance region at 640HP?
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I'm not sure if the Viper is a reasonable rival, it has similar power, but it's far heavier than the Ferrari or the Ford. I'd put the Viper on the AMG GT and 911's league instead.
If we were talking about an ACR version of the Viper, then yes it could called a rival of the GT...
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If SRT made one then yes
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I'd try something more like this (at least for the North American market):
Ford Fiesta ST <--> Chevrolet Sonic RS, Fiat 500 Abarth (NA trim gets the EsseEsse engine, standard Abarth suspension)
Ford Focus ST <--> Volkswagen GTI Performance Pack, Subaru WRX
Ford Focus RS <--> Volkswagen Golf R, Subaru WRX STi
Ford Taurus SHO <--> Buick Regal GN, Dodge Charger/Chrysler 300 AWD
Ford Mustang GT350 <--> Chevrolet Camaro 1LE (maybe ZL1?), Dodge Challenger Scat Pack
Ford Mustang GT350R <--> Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
Ford Raptor <--> Ram RamRunner (full kit by Mopar), Toyota Tundra TRD Pro
The problem in the North American market, at least, is that Ford either outright leads the pack in what they're doing, or walks into a bit of a whitespace effort with the car to bring in some sales. The Fiesta is without a doubt in a league of its own here, packing a lot more power per dollar than the Chevrolet and the Fiat, altogether being a much better value than each. The Chevrolet is much more like the MKV GTI when that first came out, not the most-powerful hot hatch available, but confident nevertheless with what it had, more of a grown-up's performance hatch. The Focus ST on the other hand offers a hell of a lot more performance than a lot of its competition when priced similarly, so it either has to punch down or up, depending on what you stack it up against. The RS should take care of some of that, but, here in the US anyway, the only real competition will be the Golf R.
The SHO really strikes a weird balance because of its awkward proportions. The car is physically huge, technically a full-size car, but interior dimensions are pretty small, much closer to a regular mid-size sedan. On top of that, its AWD, and that isn't exactly something that's offered by everyone, despite its popularity. The Buick is a little smaller and has less power, while the Dodge/Chrysler is a bit bigger, and packs more of a punch. The Mustang is kind of walking into that same kind of situation, now much closer in size to the Camaro and Challenger, just before a new Camaro shows up. The GT350 definitely has a bit more sporting potential than the 1LE thanks to nearly 80 more BHP, and while the Challenger's output is a bit closer, no one is going to mistake that land yacht as a track car. Up to the GT350R, absolutely, the Z/28 is right in its crosshairs. But, with a new Camaro on the way, no one really knows if that model will carryover, and well, the Hellcat is just overkill at that point.
The Raptor on the other hand really stands alone. They saw an opportunity in the market, grabbed it, and have completely owned it. The new TRD Pro efforts by Toyota are much closer to what Ford has going on, but the power that the current 6.4L and new 3.5L produce go far beyond what they have to offer. The RamRunner is closer in actual execution to what the Raptor is, but as something that isn't technically a factory effort (Mopar models do come with a warranty, however), it isn't exactly apples to apples. There have been rumors for a while that GMC would offer up a Raptor competitor, but I think that's been washed away by the Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 concept. With the diesel and King suspension setup, it could be a great, albeit smaller (and probably much more affordable) competitor to the Raptor, if GM ever gets around to building it. Only other way to compare it would be the "BRO FACTOR" on it, and Ram is going to probably steal some sales away with the Rebel, even though FCA absolutely says that it is not a Raptor competitor.
