It was a stupid penalty because Mazepin didn't cause his opponents to crash. Yes it was a questionable tactic but it didn't jeopardize or ruin anyone's race, it just caused a small inconvenience.
Dude, Seriously?
You're seriously going to bang on about punishing drivers for causing crashes, yet defend
^that? A crash in that scenario would've caused much worse results than what we saw in Silverstone this weekend, and there was a greater risk for one of those incidents to effect multiple drivers. That's why it's important to spend more time focusing on the incident rather than the end result.
If you think that standard of driving is acceptable, than quite frankly your ability to judge dangerous driving in an objective manner is not at all trustworthy.
It's not removing context, why do you say that? It puts the crash into context.
Because you're primarily focusing on the end result, not the cause of the result. It's entirely possible that you perhaps put yourself in a bad position which played a part in making wreck happen, as we saw with Hamilton and Verstappen. I don't know, since all I'm hearing is your side of the story.
In both your and my own examples, we have 2 cases of a driver being unintentionally negligent, with both incidents resulting in a crash, difference being the circumstances that led up to it. Again, who gets the penalty in the example I gave, or does no penalty get handed because the "victim" were the cause of their own demise?
It was an online league race in Assetto Corsa Competizione. The penalty was handed down by real people, not a computer.
Ah good to know, I stand corrected in that regard. I'd still call it bad stewarding if the penalty was handed down only because it caused a crash, and not just because it was a dangerous move to begin with (also doesn't help that I'm only getting your side of the story with no replay or anything else).
You still didn't answer my question on how an online series with a clearly different ruleset and standard to driving (and cars for that matter) is relevant here.
Verstappen made space for Hamilton to get by but he didn't commit to the move properly, causing the crash. If Hamilton made the move stick, Verstappen would've gone wide and lost the position. Just like Verstappen did to Leclerc in Austria 2019. No penalty, just close racing.
Verstappen started to make space to set himself up for Copse (and possibly give HAM a little extra space), but then proceeded to go for the apex, which he had every right to do since Hamilton was not at all in a position to make a solid challenge. At that point he effectively cut across Hamilton's nose, which resulted in the wreck. During this entire time Verstappen is aware of Hamiltons position, and very much could've allowed himself to go wide and understeered further to avoid a wreck.
Once again, both drivers played a major role in the incident.
Hamilton's error ended Verstappen's race and prevented him from fighting back which I believe warrants a substantial penalty. Turning a blind eye to the consequences is the wrong thing to do in my opinion.
It also sets a precedent where drivers can be punished differently for the same type of accident depending on how the wreck transpires and who is/isn't involved. That's a great way to remove objectivity from a judgement, which you seem to be a-ok with.
I'm probably taking this too far and you'll say that I'm contradicting myself by saying this but if this is the precedent the FIA has set, it suggests to me that even if the driver on the receiving end of the contact ends up getting killed, the penalty will be the same. That disturbs me.
Sorry, but what you're advocating for here is allowing emotion to play a part in objective judgements. That very rarely leads to the right call.
But using this logical you'll say that the guy who drove into Hubert should have been penalised or even disqualified,...
Nope, especially considering that the circumstances that led to Huberts accident were pretty much out of anyone's control.
...but here's the thing: Manuel Correa didn't know what was in front of him and didn't have a clue where Hubert was until it was too late.
Correct.
Hamilton and Verstappen were aware of each other's presence and Verstappen literally moved over to give Hamilton the space he needed to make the move.
And it wasn't enough space given the positions of the 2 cars. Max had more than enough room to run slightly wide into the corner, giving Hamilton a bit of extra space through the turn. Worst case scenario they would've been even or Hamilton would've been slightly ahead by corner exit, which wouldn't be a major issue in the long run given the performance that the Red Bull has shown this year. I personally would've preferred it if Hamilton backed out going into the turn. He was not at all in a position to make that move stick, and he would've understeered anyways given his position going into Copse. He could've backed up a bit and gotten into Max's slipstream, and continued battling into and/or after Maggotts/Beckets/Chapel.
