Forza Horizon 5 Coming to PlayStation 5 in the Spring

[GlamFM]

I would like to state it again: just because me, you, whoever has the capability to buy X games per year doesn't mean that everyone can. So people with low budget that want a racing game will have to decide between GT7, FH5 and other racing games. In that regard, YES, they are competitive products.

In that regard GT competes with any other video game. Racing or not.

 

[Tornado]

Well yes, it does. Especially when time is more frequently the limiting factor for what games people invest in playing than money and is increasingly a separate metric publishers are trying to capture.


Still, though, the racing game with hundreds of real life cars, live service-y post release support and a Gran Turismo-like progression structure competes much more closely with the other racing game with hundreds of real life cars, live service-y post release support and a Gran Turismo-like progression structure than it does something like Marvel Rivals or Genshin Impact; even if one of those racing games is open world and a bit less realistic than the other. You (as a member who joined a racing game forum) are severely overstating your similarity with casual players of these types of games if you think most of the people who buy a Gran Turismo game wouldn't also consider buying a Forza Horizon game (and vice versa).

 

[jaqory]

GRAN TURISMO YOU'RE UP!

 

[Tornado]

Delete

 

[GlamFM]

Well yes, it does. Especially when time is more frequently the limiting factor for what games people invest in playing than money and is increasingly a separate metric publishers are trying to capture.


Still, though, the racing game with hundreds of real life cars, live service-y post release support and a Gran Turismo-like progression structure competes much more closely with the other racing game with hundreds of real life cars, live service-y post release support and a Gran Turismo-like progression structure than it does something like Marvel Rivals or Genshin Impact; even if one of those racing games is open world and a bit less realistic than the other. You (as a member who joined a racing game forum) are severely overstating your similarity with casual players of these types of games if you think most of the people who buy a Gran Turismo game wouldn't also consider buying a Forza Horizon game (and vice versa).

Gran Turismo like progression and “a bit less realistic”? Nonsense.

Gran Tursimo has co existed with NFS, Burnout and a million other (arcade) racers over the years.
It has its own space in the market and the PS ecosystem.
Nobody at PD or Sony is losing any sleep over this.

Stop trying to create drama.

 

[nickf1gr]

At last the best arcade car game comes to PS5!!!!
They will double their sales!!!!

 

[CitroenCX]

Played little bit of FH5 few years ago on PC and couldn't take it seriously at all.
Threw cars at me like it was nothing with little regard to any kind of meaningful progression.
A literal sandbox playground party racer, not the kind of open world arcade racer I knew and loved at all.
Its PS5 debut with extra content won't bring me back to double dip it.
But I can see why younger generation of arcade racers are into it but it definitely not for me.

 

[Tornado]

Gran Turismo like progression and “a bit less realistic”? Nonsense.

What a detailed rebuttal. You almost had me convinced.

Gran Tursimo has co existed with NFS, Burnout and a million other (arcade) racers over the years.

In the past 32 years of the Need for Speed franchise, there has never been a Need for Speed game that was remotely as similar to Gran Turismo as Forza Horizon is. There's only been a few times that it even came close in terms of game design/structure, but with regards to scale and scope it's never been close.


And bringing up Burnout is so irrelevant to the conversation that you might as well bring up Mario Kart; in no small part because the entirety of the Forza Horizon series postdates the final Burnout game.

It has its own space in the market and the PS ecosystem.
Nobody at PD or Sony is losing any sleep over this.

You'll have no trouble pointing to where in my post that I said they would react in such a way.

Stop trying to create drama.

Get over yourself if you think talking about industry trends, ones already demonstrated no less, is "creating drama." The overwhelming majority of the people who play Gran Turismo are people that didn't join a fan forum 23 years ago and brigade for the franchise online. Your relationship with the franchise is not even remotely comparable to the majority of the player base. Some people who normally would just play GT will start playing Horizon simply because it has been a forbidden fruit on Playstation its entire life, and some people will syat with it when it's more casual design ethos will click with them more and it is on a system that they already own. We know that's the case because for an entire console generation it has been the flagship Forza franchise in terms of sales, word of mouth and attention; cutting the knees off of the Motorsports games in the process.

Furthermore, GT7 will have its long term playerbase shrink as a result of an extremely well regarded similar game being released on Sony hardware for the first time. PD (depending on how seriously Microsoft takes their third party push) will have to compete with their next entry against a similar series that (for arguably the first time in their entire history) actually has similar production values and budgets and design and sales and reception and similar (of not greater) casual appeal; not only for sales but for the increasingly more important long term player counts. To imply that there will be no overlap or competition between Forza Horizon and Gran Turismo when they are on the same platform is the same level of delusion that Overwatch 2 players have had since Marvel Rivals came out and sucked all the air out of the room for it despite their differences. Might even be worse, because it flies in the face of the fact that Horizon already has done so once.

 

[GlamFM]

What a detailed rebuttal. You almost had me convinced.

In the past 32 years of the Need for Speed franchise, there has never been a Need for Speed game that was remotely as similar to Gran Turismo as Forza Horizon is. There's only been a few times that it even came close in terms of game design/structure, but with regards to scale and scope it's never been close.


And bringing up Burnout is so irrelevant to the conversation that you might as well bring up Mario Kart; in no small part because the entirety of the Forza Horizon series postdates the final Burnout game.

You'll have no trouble pointing to where in my post that I said they would react in such a way.

Get over yourself if you think talking about industry trends, ones already demonstrated no less, is "creating drama." The overwhelming majority of the people who play Gran Turismo are people that didn't join a fan forum 23 years ago and brigade for the franchise online. Your relationship with the franchise is not even remotely comparable to the majority of the player base. Some people who normally would just play GT will start playing Horizon simply because it has been a forbidden fruit on Playstation its entire lifemore casual design ethos will click with them more and it is on a system that they already own. We know that's the case because for an entire console generation it has been the flagship Forza franchise in terms of sales, word of mouth and attention; cutting the knees off of the Motorsports games.

Furthermore, GT7 will have its long term playerbase shrink as a result of an extremely well regarded similar game being released on Sony hardware for the first time. PD (depending on how seriously Microsoft takes their third party push) will have to compete with their next entry against a similar series that (for maybe the second time in their entire history) actually has similar production values and budgets and design and sales and reception and similar (of not greater) casual appeal; not only for sales but for the increasingly more important long term player counts. To imply that there will be no overlap or competition between Forza Horizon and Gran Turismo when they are on the same platform is the same level of delusion that Overwatch 2 players have had since Marvel Rivals came out and sucked all the air out of the room for it despite their differences. Might even be worse, because it flies in the face of the fact that Horizon already has done so once.

I’m starting to think you’re confusing Forza Horizon with Forza Motosport if you really insist that Horizon is similar to GT and not NFS.

 

[KAlex122]

Ok.

FH5 and GT7 being a similar kind of game - NO

FH5 costing GT7 some customers - YES - because many casual GT gamers are actually looking for something more casual, don't want to do circuits only, don't wand hard challenges (so little % of players progressing through many of the trophies...).

I'm looking forward to reviews that compare Forza Horizon and The Crew Motorfest on PS5 (i know both are already on other plattforms but without integration of haptic triggers they are of no use for me anymore). Comparisons with GT7 will be completely unnecesarry as there are also no comparisons between Tomb Raider and Doom either.

 

[Meythia]

In that regard GT competes with any other video game. Racing or not.

In relation to what you responded to: no it does not, because the previous posts explicitly takes players that want a racing game as a base.
In that way GT would not compete with anything that does not center around racing.
But otherwise, if you just say players with a limited budget would have to decide between any and all games, then of course GT would compete with everything released on PS4 and PS5, and in this competition it certianly holds up well enough for € into possible playtime, but the same could be said about a lot of no-end games.
I cant imagine playing Minecraft, but I hear there are people who are spending more time on this game than I spend on all games combined.

 

[Draugnimir]

Is forza still doing its horizon one year then motorsport the next?

Not anymore, after FH3 and FM7 (2016-2017) we had two installments in the Forza Horizon series and only then Forza Motorsport.

I think Microsoft is reluctant to bring Forza Motorsport to PlayStation because it performs rather poorly on PC and Xbox and is unlikely to survive a direct clash with Gran Turismo

 

[Meythia]

rather poorly on PC and Xbox

In all fairness, that is because on Xbox everything does poorly, and on PC there are too many "more simmy" simracers.
The PS5 would be the perfect place for this game, but as they would be expected to make it VR (by us entitled GT players), this is not going to happen

 

[GlamFM]

In relation to what you responded to: no it does not, because the previous posts explicitly takes players that want a racing game as a base.
In that way GT would not compete with anything that does not center around racing.
But otherwise, if you just say players with a limited budget would have to decide between any and all games, then of course GT would compete with everything released on PS4 and PS5, and in this competition it certianly holds up well enough for € into possible playtime, but the same could be said about a lot of no-end games.
I cant imagine playing Minecraft, but I hear there are people who are spending more time on this game than I spend on all games combined.

It's still apples and oranges. Like suggesting Nintendo bringing Splatoon over to PS5 would be a big threat to Call of Duty.

Horizon exists in a completely different niche of the racing game genre.

And people had options on PS5 in that niche before.

Admittedly not of the same quality, but I truly believe people who bought GT over NFS, The Crew, Burnout etc in the past did it because GT offered something the other games did not.
And the same is true vice versa of course.

So while I do think Horizon will eat The Crew's and NFS's lunch I firmly believe the effect on GT is negligible.

 

[EngieDiesel]

Horizon is several years old now and the only playerbase it hasn't been exposed to yet are the Playstation diehards who are throwing fits about first party games being released on Steam because it's "devaluing the console". Microsoft has already made its money several times over on the game by now, so releasing it on PS5 is just getting another scoop of ice cream to go with their already huge plate of cake.

 

[Meythia]

So while I do think Horizon will eat The Crew's and NFS's lunch I firmly believe the effect on GT is negligible.

I agree on that one.
Just because in my mind they are "open world racer" vs "circuit racer"