Forza Horizon 5 Coming to PlayStation 5 in the Spring

[GlamFM]

I would like to state it again: just because me, you, whoever has the capability to buy X games per year doesn't mean that everyone can. So people with low budget that want a racing game will have to decide between GT7, FH5 and other racing games. In that regard, YES, they are competitive products.

In that regard GT competes with any other video game. Racing or not.

 

[Tornado]

Well yes, it does. Especially when time is more frequently the limiting factor for what games people invest in playing than money and is increasingly a separate metric publishers are trying to capture.


Still, though, the racing game with hundreds of real life cars, live service-y post release support and a Gran Turismo-like progression structure competes much more closely with the other racing game with hundreds of real life cars, live service-y post release support and a Gran Turismo-like progression structure than it does something like Marvel Rivals or Genshin Impact; even if one of those racing games is open world and a bit less realistic than the other. You (as a member who joined a racing game forum) are severely overstating your similarity with casual players of these types of games if you think most of the people who buy a Gran Turismo game wouldn't also consider buying a Forza Horizon game (and vice versa).

 

[jaqory]

GRAN TURISMO YOU'RE UP!

 

[Tornado]

Delete

 

[GlamFM]

Well yes, it does. Especially when time is more frequently the limiting factor for what games people invest in playing than money and is increasingly a separate metric publishers are trying to capture.


Still, though, the racing game with hundreds of real life cars, live service-y post release support and a Gran Turismo-like progression structure competes much more closely with the other racing game with hundreds of real life cars, live service-y post release support and a Gran Turismo-like progression structure than it does something like Marvel Rivals or Genshin Impact; even if one of those racing games is open world and a bit less realistic than the other. You (as a member who joined a racing game forum) are severely overstating your similarity with casual players of these types of games if you think most of the people who buy a Gran Turismo game wouldn't also consider buying a Forza Horizon game (and vice versa).

Gran Turismo like progression and “a bit less realistic”? Nonsense.

Gran Tursimo has co existed with NFS, Burnout and a million other (arcade) racers over the years.
It has its own space in the market and the PS ecosystem.
Nobody at PD or Sony is losing any sleep over this.

Stop trying to create drama.

 

[nickf1gr]

At last the best arcade car game comes to PS5!!!!
They will double their sales!!!!

 

[CitroenCX]

Played little bit of FH5 few years ago on PC and couldn't take it seriously at all.
Threw cars at me like it was nothing with little regard to any kind of meaningful progression.
A literal sandbox playground party racer, not the kind of open world arcade racer I knew and loved at all.
Its PS5 debut with extra content won't bring me back to double dip it.
But I can see why younger generation of arcade racers are into it but it definitely not for me.

 

[Tornado]

Gran Turismo like progression and “a bit less realistic”? Nonsense.

What a detailed rebuttal. You almost had me convinced.

Gran Tursimo has co existed with NFS, Burnout and a million other (arcade) racers over the years.

In the past 32 years of the Need for Speed franchise, there has never been a Need for Speed game that was remotely as similar to Gran Turismo as Forza Horizon is. There's only been a few times that it even came close in terms of game design/structure, but with regards to scale and scope it's never been close.


And bringing up Burnout is so irrelevant to the conversation that you might as well bring up Mario Kart; in no small part because the entirety of the Forza Horizon series postdates the final Burnout game.

It has its own space in the market and the PS ecosystem.
Nobody at PD or Sony is losing any sleep over this.

You'll have no trouble pointing to where in my post that I said they would react in such a way.

Stop trying to create drama.

Get over yourself if you think talking about industry trends, ones already demonstrated no less, is "creating drama." The overwhelming majority of the people who play Gran Turismo are people that didn't join a fan forum 23 years ago and brigade for the franchise online. Your relationship with the franchise is not even remotely comparable to the majority of the player base. Some people who normally would just play GT will start playing Horizon simply because it has been a forbidden fruit on Playstation its entire life, and some people will syat with it when it's more casual design ethos will click with them more and it is on a system that they already own. We know that's the case because for an entire console generation it has been the flagship Forza franchise in terms of sales, word of mouth and attention; cutting the knees off of the Motorsports games in the process.

Furthermore, GT7 will have its long term playerbase shrink as a result of an extremely well regarded similar game being released on Sony hardware for the first time. PD (depending on how seriously Microsoft takes their third party push) will have to compete with their next entry against a similar series that (for arguably the first time in their entire history) actually has similar production values and budgets and design and sales and reception and similar (of not greater) casual appeal; not only for sales but for the increasingly more important long term player counts. To imply that there will be no overlap or competition between Forza Horizon and Gran Turismo when they are on the same platform is the same level of delusion that Overwatch 2 players have had since Marvel Rivals came out and sucked all the air out of the room for it despite their differences. Might even be worse, because it flies in the face of the fact that Horizon already has done so once.

 

[GlamFM]

What a detailed rebuttal. You almost had me convinced.

In the past 32 years of the Need for Speed franchise, there has never been a Need for Speed game that was remotely as similar to Gran Turismo as Forza Horizon is. There's only been a few times that it even came close in terms of game design/structure, but with regards to scale and scope it's never been close.


And bringing up Burnout is so irrelevant to the conversation that you might as well bring up Mario Kart; in no small part because the entirety of the Forza Horizon series postdates the final Burnout game.

You'll have no trouble pointing to where in my post that I said they would react in such a way.

Get over yourself if you think talking about industry trends, ones already demonstrated no less, is "creating drama." The overwhelming majority of the people who play Gran Turismo are people that didn't join a fan forum 23 years ago and brigade for the franchise online. Your relationship with the franchise is not even remotely comparable to the majority of the player base. Some people who normally would just play GT will start playing Horizon simply because it has been a forbidden fruit on Playstation its entire lifemore casual design ethos will click with them more and it is on a system that they already own. We know that's the case because for an entire console generation it has been the flagship Forza franchise in terms of sales, word of mouth and attention; cutting the knees off of the Motorsports games.

Furthermore, GT7 will have its long term playerbase shrink as a result of an extremely well regarded similar game being released on Sony hardware for the first time. PD (depending on how seriously Microsoft takes their third party push) will have to compete with their next entry against a similar series that (for maybe the second time in their entire history) actually has similar production values and budgets and design and sales and reception and similar (of not greater) casual appeal; not only for sales but for the increasingly more important long term player counts. To imply that there will be no overlap or competition between Forza Horizon and Gran Turismo when they are on the same platform is the same level of delusion that Overwatch 2 players have had since Marvel Rivals came out and sucked all the air out of the room for it despite their differences. Might even be worse, because it flies in the face of the fact that Horizon already has done so once.

I’m starting to think you’re confusing Forza Horizon with Forza Motosport if you really insist that Horizon is similar to GT and not NFS.

 

[KAlex122]

Ok.

FH5 and GT7 being a similar kind of game - NO

FH5 costing GT7 some customers - YES - because many casual GT gamers are actually looking for something more casual, don't want to do circuits only, don't wand hard challenges (so little % of players progressing through many of the trophies...).

I'm looking forward to reviews that compare Forza Horizon and The Crew Motorfest on PS5 (i know both are already on other plattforms but without integration of haptic triggers they are of no use for me anymore). Comparisons with GT7 will be completely unnecesarry as there are also no comparisons between Tomb Raider and Doom either.

 

[Meythia]

In that regard GT competes with any other video game. Racing or not.

In relation to what you responded to: no it does not, because the previous posts explicitly takes players that want a racing game as a base.
In that way GT would not compete with anything that does not center around racing.
But otherwise, if you just say players with a limited budget would have to decide between any and all games, then of course GT would compete with everything released on PS4 and PS5, and in this competition it certianly holds up well enough for € into possible playtime, but the same could be said about a lot of no-end games.
I cant imagine playing Minecraft, but I hear there are people who are spending more time on this game than I spend on all games combined.

 

[Draugnimir]

Is forza still doing its horizon one year then motorsport the next?

Not anymore, after FH3 and FM7 (2016-2017) we had two installments in the Forza Horizon series and only then Forza Motorsport.

I think Microsoft is reluctant to bring Forza Motorsport to PlayStation because it performs rather poorly on PC and Xbox and is unlikely to survive a direct clash with Gran Turismo

 

[Meythia]

rather poorly on PC and Xbox

In all fairness, that is because on Xbox everything does poorly, and on PC there are too many "more simmy" simracers.
The PS5 would be the perfect place for this game, but as they would be expected to make it VR (by us entitled GT players), this is not going to happen

 

[GlamFM]

In relation to what you responded to: no it does not, because the previous posts explicitly takes players that want a racing game as a base.
In that way GT would not compete with anything that does not center around racing.
But otherwise, if you just say players with a limited budget would have to decide between any and all games, then of course GT would compete with everything released on PS4 and PS5, and in this competition it certianly holds up well enough for € into possible playtime, but the same could be said about a lot of no-end games.
I cant imagine playing Minecraft, but I hear there are people who are spending more time on this game than I spend on all games combined.

It's still apples and oranges. Like suggesting Nintendo bringing Splatoon over to PS5 would be a big threat to Call of Duty.

Horizon exists in a completely different niche of the racing game genre.

And people had options on PS5 in that niche before.

Admittedly not of the same quality, but I truly believe people who bought GT over NFS, The Crew, Burnout etc in the past did it because GT offered something the other games did not.
And the same is true vice versa of course.

So while I do think Horizon will eat The Crew's and NFS's lunch I firmly believe the effect on GT is negligible.

 

[EngieDiesel]

Horizon is several years old now and the only playerbase it hasn't been exposed to yet are the Playstation diehards who are throwing fits about first party games being released on Steam because it's "devaluing the console". Microsoft has already made its money several times over on the game by now, so releasing it on PS5 is just getting another scoop of ice cream to go with their already huge plate of cake.

 

[Meythia]

So while I do think Horizon will eat The Crew's and NFS's lunch I firmly believe the effect on GT is negligible.

I agree on that one.
Just because in my mind they are "open world racer" vs "circuit racer"

 

[NLxAROSA]

I will never understand how people think a more casual game is somehow a rival or putting "Pressure" on GT.

Even if it wasn't more casual, many race- or sim-heads pick up every racing title anyway. On top of that more competition typically results in better products. Consumers that are opposed to it are simply stupid, shooting themselves in the foot. It's always the same old story with, whether is FM vs GT, or Steam vs Epic, or PC vs console, or whatever. Just dumb. Putting FM on PS5 puts A LOT more money in Sony's (and MSFTs) pockets to help fund new titles (it's not going to be the only title). Just like releasing Sony titles on PC a year or two after PS release puts more money in Sony's pockets. Everybody wins. Only dumb folks object.

 

[Tornado]

I’m starting to think you’re confusing Forza Horizon with Forza Motosport

Forza Motorsport broadly, but in particular the latest Forza Motorsport, would be irrelevant on PS5. People playing GT7 for multiple years aren't likely to take a flyer on "GT7 except it isn't as good and has bad word of mouth from its disaster of a launch and bad PC port." It's functionally already a zombie game even as Microsoft still needs to lurch its live service road map to completion before making a new one.

It's still apples and oranges. Like suggesting Nintendo bringing Splatoon over to PS5 would be a big threat to Call of Duty.

It would be. Broadly, any major first party Nintendo game being released off of a Nintendo platform would be a threat to any other game; but live service games all inherently compete with each other. Even if you aren't spending money, time spent paying GT7 is time spent not playing Fortnite, Minecraft, Genshin Impact, Counter-Strike 2, Marvel Rivals, GTA V, etc. CCU numbers are extremely important to publishers. In some cases long term CCU is more important than initial sales.

Amittedly not of the same quality, but I truly believe people who bought GT over NFS, The Crew, Burnout etc in the past did it because GT offered something the other games did not.
And the same is true vice versa of course.

So while I do think Horizon will eat The Crew's and NFS's lunch I firmly believe the effect on GT is negligible.

And you'll be wrong. Just as assuredly so as the people playing Halo 3 who dismissed Modern Warfare, the people playing Overwatch 2 who dismissed Marvel Rivals, the people playing Tony Hawk Project 8 who dismissed Skate, people playing PUBG who dismissed Fortnite, and the people playing Forza Motorsport who dismissed Horizon. For damn sure Sony (who just had to write off 300 million dollars on Concord and spent 3 billion dollars on Bungie) and PD (who were trying to transform the Gran Turismo franchise into a monetized live service title in 2005) won't be so dismissive of a game that crested 40 million players a year ago making its way onto their console against their game that itself has always been popular (and justified its expensive price tag) because of its large casual appeal. Gran Turismo will likely always be more popular on PlayStation, but being more popular and "Having no competition so you can do whatever you want" aren't the same thing.



Lots of people playing GT7 now will take a look at Forza Horizon 5. There's zero basis to claim otherwise. It's an extremely well regarded game with great critical reception (I'm guessing the best received racing game of the conse generation) and a strong player base and even more casual appeal than Gran Turismo has. And because of the nature of live service games, many people will stick to it instead of going back. A lot of their friends will try it. If Microsoft is even remotely competent the gane will have an existing player pool that will keep online full of people to mix with new players. That is something that Sony and PD will have to take into account for the future of the GT series if Microsoft is as serious about their multiplaform push as they are claiming. To insist otherwise, that the ~10 million people who buy GT games every time would just ignore another racing game, not only represents the seclusion from the mainstream imparted inherently by being a member of a specific videogame's forum for over two decades, but a fundamental misunderstanding of what game publishers prioritize in the industry in 2025.

If you really insist that Horizon is similar to GT and not NFS.

Cool story. I not convinced you've ever touched a Horizon game if you think Burnout was ever even remotely similar to one; even if the last entry hadn't come out so long ago that the newest GTA game at the time was Vice City Stories.

Comparisons with GT7 will be completely unnecesarry as there are also no comparisons between Tomb Raider and Doom either.

People don't generally compare single player games in completely different genres the same way they do live service multiplayer games in the same genre, no.

I agree on that one.
Just because in my mind they are "open world racer" vs "circuit racer"

If that was a distinction that mattered that much to casual audiences the Gran Turismo series would be the same as it was in 2001 with online play attached to it. If that was a distinction that mattered that much to casual audiences the Motorsport half of the franchise wouldn't be comparably irrelevant for nearly a decade now in Xbox. People glowing up franchises on videogame forums dedicated to those franchises are not the tastemakers for the franchise for the casual audience that makes up the actual overwhelming majority of sales.


Publishers have lost a lot of money in the past when they forget that, the most infamous recent example probably being OWL.

 

[hakk]

It's still apples and oranges. Like suggesting Nintendo bringing Splatoon over to PS5 would be a big threat to Call of Duty.

Horizon exists in a completely different niche of the racing game genre.

And people had options on PS5 in that niche before.

Admittedly not of the same quality, but I truly believe people who bought GT over NFS, The Crew, Burnout etc in the past did it because GT offered something the other games did not.
And the same is true vice versa of course.

So while I do think Horizon will eat The Crew's and NFS's lunch I firmly believe the effect on GT is negligible.

I agree that FH5 will have a small effect to GT7 domination. But, what happens if we have GT8 vs FH6 for example? The parameters will then change and that is where PD has to (possibly) gauge Forza as competition.

 

[GlamFM]

Cool story. I not convinced you've ever touched a Horizon game if you think Burnout was ever even remotely similar to one; even if the last entry hadn't come out so long ago that the newest GTA game at the time was Vice City Stories.

Cool story bro. Look at the first reply in this very thread. And please go on about how similar Forza Horizon and Gran Turismo are.

Peace out.

 

[MagpieRacer]

While fundamentally they are different types of driving games, FH5 still has the capability to take people away from GT7, without a doubt. Gran Turismo players are, at the core, car fans, and FH5 has one of, if not the, best curation of cars of any driving game ever (sans racing cars).

Will it affect how PD approach Gran Turismo 8 with the threat of FH6 and perhaps future Motorsport titles releasing on PS5? 100%, it will have to, if PD didn't view Forza as a threat to GT then they would just be being naive.

I think it's a great move, I switched from Xbox to PS5 a while back so I'm delighted that the main game I miss is coming back to me. I do however, feel sorry for TDU and The Crew: Motorfest. Those games kind of needed the PS5 audience, delivering the Horizon like experience without competition, now the competition is Horizon, I feel those player bases will dwindle very quickly.

 

[GlamFM]

Will it affect how PD approach Gran Turismo 8 with the threat of FH6 and perhaps future Motorsport titles releasing on PS5? 100%

To what effect is what I ask myself?

Will GT8 be open world - no.
Will PD swap out Smooth Jazz for EDM - no.
Will there be a Gran Turismo Music Festival - no.
Will GT8 be an arcade game or feature arcade controls - no.
The sevice-y aspect - probably, but that is a path PD are/were already on.

Gran Turismo will continue to to its thing and find its audience and FH will do the same.

 

[SimTourist]

Will be interesting to see how it performs, Horizon already managed to kill Forza Motorsport, it's certainly gonna put a dent into GT at least a little bit. Horizon 6 is gonna be a day and date release on PS5 for sure.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Will be interesting to see how it performs, Horizon already managed to kill Forza Motorsport, it's certainly gonna put a dent into GT at least a little bit. Horizon 6 is gonna be a day and date release on PS5 for sure.

I Don't think Horizon killed Motorsport, Motorsport killed Motorsport.