Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

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skazz
Now my point of view is that retro is a modern reproduction of something old, but we don't know which older time period PG might consider.

For example, we have pretty retro Singer and Ginetta cars in game. But an Alfaholics would fit right in. These are supposedly classed as "restomods".
You could argue that the modern Mini and most modern muscle cars are retro too, as modern reimagining instead of cleaning up an old model but leaving the proportions (mostly intact).

So what will it be? Stuff like Singer and Alfaholics? Modern reimaginings like the Mini or the Mustang?
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This is where I stand personally. Like, technically we already have every car we could ever want from the '80s, maybe aside from KITT or Ecto-1. Maybe you'd get a licensing coup and grab a few obscurities like the 356 Speedster, cars that did appear in '80s movies but were not directly emblematic of the time (although I would personally drool over an actual '80s 911 to go along with the 959) but ultimately I feel like restomods tap into the spirit of retrowave the best. Like, isn't that exactly what retrowave is as a movement? Old stuff revitalized to our modern sensibilities and nothing but that?

Of course it wouldn't offer the same mood as, say, the new Countach for its "direct remake" direction, or an actual iconic car from the period to capture the true essence of the time, but it's what I feel.
 
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Digolgrin
This is where I stand personally. Like, technically we already have every car we could ever want from the '80s, maybe aside from KITT or Ecto-1. Maybe you'd get a licensing coup and grab a few obscurities like the 356 Speedster, cars that did appear in '80s movies but were not directly emblematic of the time (although I would personally drool over an actual '80s 911 to go along with the 959) but ultimately I feel like restomods tap into the spirit of retrowave the best. Like, isn't that exactly what retrowave is as a movement? Old stuff revitalized to our modern sensibilities and nothing but that?

Of course it wouldn't offer the same mood as, say, the new Countach for its "direct remake" direction, or an actual iconic car from the period to capture the true essence of the time, but it's what I feel.
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We still don't have emergency vehicles bud. How about classic emergency vehicles from the 1980's as an absolute wild guess.

Seriously though, there's a ton of cars from the 80's we haven't got in game. Just taking the manufacturers we have in game, if you look at their 1980's catalogue of vehicles the list is huge. We don't need just super/hyper cars.
 
Edax 76
We still don't have emergency vehicles bud. How about classic emergency vehicles from the 1980's as an absolute wild guess.

Seriously though, there's a ton of cars from the 80's we haven't got in game. Just taking the manufacturers we have in game, if you look at their 1980's catalogue of vehicles the list is huge. We don't need just super/hyper cars.
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I know this is Horizon, so just about anything could get in, but I feel like that'd be thinking too broadly. If you ask me, PG would be far more likely to choose restomods or cars that appeared in movies at that time for a Retrowave update than 'just' any old car from the '80s.
 
Digolgrin
I know this is Horizon, so just about anything could get in, but I feel like that'd be thinking too broadly. If you ask me, PG would be far more likely to choose restomods or cars that appeared in movies at that time for a Retrowave update than 'just' any old car from the '80s.
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True Restomods if they have the licenses would be amazing.

'Just any old car from the '80's' - As I've said before, there's far more game playing opportunities in D, C, B and A class cars I believe than in S1 and S2 super/hyper cars. The game needs a good mixture of all car types to appeal to a broader audience as possible, I understand that. However, after this month's update of high performance vehicles, something with a bit less performance next month would be welcome with me.
 
Some fun articles about famous restomods off Mr Google:

We already have the Eagle Speedster and Singer.
I'd be fine with the Volvo P1800, Lancia, Alfaholics and that amazing Diablo.

The electric Defender and AC Cobra are interesting, but that Electric Rolls is really cool.
But the Alfa Giulia is my favourite from their list...

Edit: This is also a good one:
www.hotcars.com

These Are The Coolest Restomods We’ve Ever Seen

Utilizing modern features to accentuate their gorgeous classic designs, these restomods are true works of art.
www.hotcars.com www.hotcars.com
Has the same Volvo, Lancia, Alfaholics, Eagle and Singer as above, plus a few others

So yeah, these are my favourites from those lists:

The mad Alfa Giulia:
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More Singer options:
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Electric Rolls:
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The archetypal Alfaholics GTA-R:
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Edit2: Had to add the Diablo restomod in, it's stunning:
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skazz
Some fun articles about famous restomods off Mr Google:

We already have the Eagle Speedster and Singer.
I'd be fine with the Volvo P1800, Lancia, Alfaholics and that amazing Diablo.

The electric Defender and AC Cobra are interesting, but that Electric Rolls is really cool.
But the Alfa Giulia is my favourite from their list...

Edit: This is also a good one:
www.hotcars.com

These Are The Coolest Restomods We’ve Ever Seen

Utilizing modern features to accentuate their gorgeous classic designs, these restomods are true works of art.
www.hotcars.com www.hotcars.com
Has the same Volvo, Lancia, Alfaholics, Eagle and Singer as above, plus a few others

So yeah, these are my favourites from those lists:

The mad Alfa Giulia:
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More Singer options:
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Electric Rolls:
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The archetypal Alfaholics GTA-R:
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Edit2: Had to add the Diablo restomod in, it's stunning:
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I will never tire of looking at that Alfa Giulia Restomod. Absolute beauty.
 
The_Greaser
Doesn't the 90s and 2000s constitute as retro anyway? The '03 RS6 is a Retro sedan for example
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I mean, it does, but... I know restomod model years are treated weirdly in FH5. The Singer is listed as a 1995 Porsche 911, the same year as.its base, but the Ginetta restomod we just got was listed as a 2019 car rather than by its original date back in the '60s.

I think it might be safer to assume '80s is what they're referring to but it really could be anything from new cars built to invoke nostalgia for old cars to straight restomods. It's PG, they could genuinely do anything at this point. (Although, I do feel like if we'd learned from the past Apex Allstars being a revamp of FH3's Motorsport Allstars wouldn't have surprised us, but... yhere we were, myself included, predicting Track Toys and the MC20 anyway. :P)
 
Licensing dictates how years are represented. Take for example the original Lamborghini Urus concept. When it was in FH2 it was listed as a 2012 model, which was the exact year the concept car came out. Subsequent iterations that featured the Urus concept, until its production model in FH4, were listed as model year 2014 due to licensing requests by the manufacturer. At least that's what the guy over on the now-closed Forzacentral mentioned years back.
 
Digolgrin
I mean, it does, but... I know restomod model years are treated weirdly in FH5. The Singer is listed as a 1995 Porsche 911, the same year as.its base, but the Ginetta restomod we just got was listed as a 2019 car rather than by its original date back in the '60s.
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The Singer is listed that way because for legal reasons all of their cars are Porsche 911s manufactured in a certain year that happen to have been modified by Singer at some point, and explicitly not a '2019 Singer 911' or whatever. That's why the car in FH5 is specifically named as a 1990 Porsche 911, with a 'subtitle' that it has been modified by Singer.

The Ginetta isn't really a restomod though, the car in all of the press photos is the personal car of Lawrence Tomlinson (owner of Ginetta) which was first road-registered in 2002. There were only two original G10s so modifying them in any way is effectively heresy - Tomlinson's car is apparently mostly a G11 roadster with a lot of reproduction G10 parts and a Ford V8 fitted to it, to make his own personal custom car. The G10 RM announcement however was for a series of brand new 2019 production continuation cars using a new chassis, Ginetta's casting of the Chevy LS or LT engine, and bodywork based on moulds taken from an original G10. I believe the car as represented in FH5 is a concept of how the G10 RM could look and drive. I don't think any have been built yet though.
 
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Yeah, in reality the 3 "proper" restomods in the current game are
What they all have in common is that their exterior is visibly changed. I think this is a requirement, since if the restomod simply changes internals but is otherwise invisible, then you could do the exact same thing just with Forza upgrades. No point having the restomod in game in that case, is there?



For example, this is a really nice Mustang Boss 429 restomod, but I can't see much externally that would justify needing a separate model in Forza, over simply taking an original Boss 429 already in the game and using Forza parts on it:

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Same with this CR1 Camaro. Forza parts can get us something close to this in appearance and power:
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So yeah, I suspect that most US restomods will turn out not to be very useful since Forza lets us get there with upgrades.
That makes the wonderful Alfa Giulia from my previous post so awesome. That's the kind of restomod which would be amazing to have in game because it changes the original significantly in ways we can't do with Forza parts.



Edit: P.S. I really should have taken more time to look at the Eagle in FH4/FH5. That interior is almost as cool as Spyker:
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But only almost. I'll have a C8 in game any day please...
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Next patch please. Pretty please?

While I’m at it, you could argue that Spyker is one of the most retro of all. That interior remains amazing.
 
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skazz
Yeah, in reality the 3 "proper" restomods in the current game are
What they all have in common is that their exterior is visibly changed. I think this is a requirement, since if the restomod simply changes internals but is otherwise invisible, then you could do the exact same thing just with Forza upgrades. No point having the restomod in game in that case, is there?

Edit: P.S. I really should have taken more time to look at the Eagle in FH4/FH5. That interior is almost as cool as Spyker:
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But only almost. I'll have a C8 in game any day please...
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Next patch please. Pretty please?

While I’m at it, you could argue that Spyker is one of the most retro of all. That interior remains amazing.
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...okay I'll give you Spyker, those beauties absolutely do deserve a spot in Horizon at some point, and your point about restomods needing to be more than what Forza can already give us is also really sound. Hmm. That actually kinda torpedoes the restomod probability right there, since you're gonna need the Alfaholics guys to agree to have their restomods in the game and who knows what Stellantis has to say about that.
 
skazz
What is retro anyway?

Cars are classified by age into these three categories:
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Now my point of view is that retro is a modern reproduction of something old, but we don't know which older time period PG might consider.

For example, we have pretty retro Singer and Ginetta cars in game. But an Alfaholics would fit right in. These are supposedly classed as "restomods".
You could argue that the modern Mini and most modern muscle cars are retro too, as modern reimagining instead of cleaning up an old model but leaving the proportions (mostly intact).

So what will it be? Stuff like Singer and Alfaholics? Modern reimaginings like the Mini or the Mustang?
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Here's how I'd break it up:
Vintage: 1900 - 1939
Classic: 1940 - 1979
Retro: 1980 - 1999
Modern: 2000 - 2019
Current: 2020 -
 
The Ferrari 458-shaped track was a blast in EventLab, especially when you reached the bonnet (or il cofano as I guess they call it) and could really open up. The AI had some trouble with the lip of the rear bumper though.
 
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WanganDream
I haven't gotten this Camaro yet, but was it possible to do a wheelie with the stock settings or upgrades?
Or did it need a special tune to do wheelies like other cars?
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It takes some pretty specific timing, I think, but if you rapidly shift between reverse and first gear you can transfer enough weight to the back of the car to force the wheelie. That's how I got this shot at least.
 
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I saw some nice cars today at a classic car meet here in Luzern. Some cars i have never seen IRL

1928 Bentley 4 1/2 Litre racecar
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Renault Alpine
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AMC Javelin
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Lotus Cortina MK1 (that one still had the "Consul" batch on the front)
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Mercedes 300SL in a beautifull gray colour
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Shelby Cobra 427. Although I´m not sure it was an original. It had the 427 batch on the side
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And a lot of other nice cars
 
Seb75
I saw some nice cars today at a classic car meet here in Luzern. Some cars i have never seen IRL

1928 Bentley 4 1/2 Litre racecar
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Renault Alpine
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AMC Javelin
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Lotus Cortina MK1 (that one still had the "Consul" batch on the front)
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Mercedes 300SL in a beautifull gray colour
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Shelby Cobra 427. Although I´m not sure it was an original. It had the 427 batch on the side
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And a lot of other nice cars
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The Mercedes 300SL is gorgeous, as is the Alpine.

My wife's late Dad had one of the first Lotus Cortinas. He worked in the factory in Cheshunt where the conversions were done. It was red and black, I have seen old photo's of it. No idea where they are now, wish I knew so I could post them here.
 
Twisted Knot (one of the more successful eventlab builders) has released his first creation using the new road surfaces.

It's a nice demonstration that smooth tracks are coming soon across Eventlab, although all those parked cars made for some interesting racing the AI :D

Rural Roads | Custom Map | Forza Horizon 5 | Race: 124514328 | Free Roam: 825615644​

 
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Speaking of resto-mods, what about this: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60649985/twr-supercat-jaguar-xjs-restomod-revealed/

The link(s) above will direct you to TWR's newest restomod based on the Jaguar XJ-S.

As for how one's going to license it in a racing game (Forza most likely since they seem to like resto-mods), well... TWR has the ownership rights so it would have to be discussed with them, not Jaguar and may have to be licensed by both TWR and Jaguar. Even with those licenses it will still take up to 9 months or a year to source it, etc.

Still this model does look good but I wish we got the XJ-S back. Currently it's the only Jaguar still left out.
 

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