Forza Motorsport 6 A.I. cheating ?

[turk1993]

So im playing this game like 20 hours and my impression for the A.I. are not positive. The first 2 A.I. cars are faster and can brake later than all the other cars. they where even lapping other A.I. cars. I was using the same car like the first A.I car but on a straight he was going faster and braked later than me.

 

[willbsn13]

This is an issue with the AI that Turn 10 are looking into. This quote is from Dan G

"No offense was meant by the tweet. Twitter responses are inherently limited. Here's a non-140-character-limited attempt: We are looking into this issue. We have ruled out rubber banding and other oddities. It appears to be a higher skilled Drivatar being pulled into the incorrect difficulty group and placed in pole, but we don't have it completely isolated yet. We do not see this as low priority. We hear the community and enter your feedback directly into our database. Rest assured that this will not effect the amount of CR/XP you will earn."

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/t...I-got-one-from-Dan--post--90.aspx#post_359717

 

[05XR8]

What is your AI setting? I use Expert. It's good enough for me as I learn the courses and learn my set ups for each car I try.

Try Unbeatable. You wont have any complaints because they'll all leave you to race by yourself.

 

[FosterG]

Of course they cheat, closing speed down the stretch can be amazing sometimes, BLOCK!

 

[turk1993]

Of course they cheat, closing speed down the stretch can be amazing sometimes, BLOCK!

I want a clean race man .

 

[FosterG]

I want a clean race man .

indeed!

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

This is an issue with the AI that Turn 10 are looking into. This quote is from Dan G

"No offense was meant by the tweet. Twitter responses are inherently limited. Here's a non-140-character-limited attempt: We are looking into this issue. We have ruled out rubber banding and other oddities. It appears to be a higher skilled Drivatar being pulled into the incorrect difficulty group and placed in pole, but we don't have it completely isolated yet. We do not see this as low priority. We hear the community and enter your feedback directly into our database. Rest assured that this will not effect the amount of CR/XP you will earn."

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/t...I-got-one-from-Dan--post--90.aspx#post_359717

The A.I. has gotten a mind of its own...they've gone Rouge...forget your race Turk, this is much more serious may we only hope to make it through this dark hour.




Seriously though they're going to have a few issues, the game can't be issue free just out of the box like that. They'll figure it out I'm sure.

 

[PzR Slim]

The AI is a complete joke. I don't think their pace has anything to do with the car they are driving, it's based on something else. You can see this easily when you race. I race with unbeatable AI and I'm using leaderboard cars that I know are very quick and well suited to the tracks I am using them on. Every single race there will be multiple AI who are not only quicker in the corners than me but faster on the straights. And I know that through the corners I'm on the absolute limit of what the car is doing because my ffb wheel is telling me I'm on or just over the absolute limit of grip. The number of times I have seen an AI go around me on the outside of a corner is ridiculous.

I could understand it if they were only quicker in the corners or on the straights because then they have gone for a grip or a power build but to be quicker in both against a leaderboard car tells me something funky is going on.

They then inexplicably slow down on either the penultimate or last lap to give you a chance to finish in the top 3. It's rubbish.

 

[UKMikey]

I'm glad there only seem to be one or two superfriends at most per race. Three or more and it'd be quite difficult to progress without turning the AI difficulty down.

I'm starting to win races against unbeatable drivatars down but I put that down to being less skilled and the game selecting slightly easier opponents for me.

 

[Fat Tyre]

Even Dan gets affect and effect wrong...

 

[PzR Slim]

I'm starting to win races against unbeatable drivatars down but I put that down to being less skilled and the game selecting slightly easier opponents for me.

I would have thought the AI at a particular setting should be the same speed for everybody no matter how skilled they are.

 

[Ialyrn]

@PzR Slim I am racing on unbeatable and not having an issue at all, on normal track racing anyway. Won every single race against the Drivatars in single player so far. I am not even using leaderboard cars. I will say that they are exceptionally stupid on an oval race however, and can not take anywhere near a good line. Not that it matters though, because they are so damn slow!

 

[PzR Slim]

@PzR Slim I am racing on unbeatable and not having an issue at all, on normal track racing anyway. Won every single race against the Drivatars in single player so far. I am not even using leaderboard cars. I will say that they are exceptionally stupid on an oval race however, and can not take anywhere near a good line. Not that it matters though, because they are so damn slow!

Good for you. I'm doing lap times that would trouble the top of the leaderboards and sometimes the 1st place drivatar is thousands of feet ahead. Sometimes I'm in the lead after the first lap and sometimes the second and third place driver slows down enough in the last two laps to give me a chance. It's totally inconsistent and just seems like it's been completely fudged.

 

[UKMikey]

I would have thought the AI at a particular setting should be the same speed for everybody no matter how skilled they are.

Then I must be doing better than I thought, because the drivatars aren't giving me that much of a problem and I'm not even halfway up the friends leaderboard.

 

[PzR Slim]

Then I must be doing better than I thought, because the drivatars aren't givi g me that much of a problem and I'm not even halfway up the friends leaderboard.

Hopefully we'll get some answers from T10 as to why people seem to be having such a varied time of it with the AI.

 

[doctorrg]

Most races were fine for me, but I did have to battle superfriends on a few occasions. The funniest thing was that for one of the series that superfriend was my 6-year old. lol

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

What is your AI setting? I use Expert. It's good enough for me as I learn the courses and learn my set ups for each car I try.

Try Unbeatable. You wont have any complaints because they'll all leave you to race by yourself.

I was running on unbeatable earlier today and had a hard time with it not because the AI were so fast but because the ones starting up front were faster than the rest and the ones in the back kept smashing into me or cutting me off and/or brake checking me.
So far I have not enjoyed racing against the AI the only cool part is seeing names I know but even that seems to have nothing to do with driver skill.

Just for giggles I have ran it with the driv-a-tards set at new racer, average, expert, pro and unbeatable and I am seeing some of the same guys show up in the new racer and unbeatable choices. I was expecting that they would at least fall somewhere into the drivers skill range but that does not seem to be the case.

 

[glassjaw]

In my experience most career races play out like Gran Turismo's in that all you're ever doing is trying to catch the rabbit that's 10 seconds up on the next two cars, and those two cars are 5 seconds up on everyone else. Why T10 sought insight from GT's AI is beyond me, but here we are.

 

[Mr Latte]

Then I must be doing better than I thought, because the drivatars aren't giving me that much of a problem and I'm not even halfway up the friends leaderboard.

In most respects I have been having decent races with the AI. Upping the difficulty as I go along and yes like many finding I crash into them too often, the odd late/locking of brakes aside as fault in my own part they do tend to get in the way or be overly slow in places or in cars which they shouldn't.

I find it kinda funny how we are criticising the A.I as being/acting artificial. Okay perhaps the "intelligence" part could be improved.

Is it flawed sure, is it worse than other games, well for me no and the challenge does seem to be tougher even if we have only a couple of really fast cars up front. So I'm kinda at this stage in between liking it and overly criticising it.

The question I put to some of you guys having played the game more/longer is how have you found utilising mods to increase the challenge?

 

[MagpieRacer]

There's clearly an issue otherwise turn 10 wouldn't bother looking into it. I think the first car update will hold more than just new cars.

 

[SPhilli911]

During a race around one of the oval tracks I noticed an AI was able to pass me even though the car he was in could not possibly go faster than what I had. AI was in the Zakspeed Capri, which maxed out at 176mph ish and I had the NART Ferrari that did about 200.

Good to know there is a possible issue they are working on.

 

[CDailey]

I was wondering if there was some kind of issue going on. I've only noticed this in two or three championships. It sucks, but at least we're not required to finish first or work on a points system, otherwise we would all be screwed. I have resigned to be happy if I come in second or third because I know really it probably would have been second or first. If anything, it's made me try out more cars to try to beat the super fast first place car and try to race my absolute cleanest/best. That said, they need to fix this shiz lol.

 

[RacerPaul]

In my experience most career races play out like Gran Turismo's in that all you're ever doing is trying to catch the rabbit that's 10 seconds up on the next two cars, and those two cars are 5 seconds up on everyone else. Why T10 sought insight from GT's AI is beyond me, but here we are

I don't think they're quite as bad as GT's ai

They sure aren't as good as pCARS ai

Fair to middling I suppose

 

[TonyJZX]

There's always going to be 'aliens' who are beating the 'unbeatable' and they come onto any forum and go "yo ho ho, i'm beating the best and its easy so there must be something wrong with you and not the game..."

GIT GUD

And yet we have Dan who says there is a problem.

IMO there IS a problem. Forza IMO has generally had reasonable and believeable AI... F6 has turned into a 2 car rabbit race (remind you of a certain Japanese developer?)... this aint right IMO but of course some people like that. This gam so far has me fighting the 20 car mid pack so I can focus on the 1-2. That's a weird game IMO.

From what I've seen it makes the game inconsistent. On the short club circuits I get my ass handed to me. I have to drive like my ass is on fire... just to get a 3rd.

And then it moves to a full circuit like Spa or Bernaise and then I burn them by 30 secs... its ME, daylight and then 2 and 3.... an eternity... then the other 22 losers.

That aint right either.

I've seen enough unbelievable crap that does sit well with me... ie 600 class cars and the field is thick with 4wd Subes and EVOs and AMG 45s etc.

And I'm in 2nd and get done out of corners by an FWD SRT4??? COME ON. No one beleives that. The 1 and 2 AI does need some attention.

 

[05XR8]

I finished the Road Atlanta nduro in 1st. There were a couple brake checks and AI moving on the racing line to block me with the BTCC cars but, I enjoyed it. Next, I'll have a crack at the Daytona enduro but I nedd to complete the Corvette Sprint. Here we go.

 

[TonyJZX]

I just had race at rainy silverstone short that shows some really questionable AI.

I expected to only get 3rd in this race. I'm in an Toyota SC400. In 3rd chasing a Honda Integra or Prelude. He comes out of the 2nd last hairpin and he leaps out the corner like he's got nitrous. There no way I can catch him.

Then he slows down for that gentle-ish corner leading to the start finish. I overtake him there.

Now that shows TWO flaws.

1stly he has way too much acceleration out of corners. Honda Preludes arent like that.

2ndly he slows down way too much for the final corner which makes it easy for me to take him there.

So I'm kinda racing to the AI. I always try to be in a good position to take advantage of their AI weakness but I conceed to where I can get them due to their un-natural strengths (this is actually kind of funny).

I've always felt that the cars in Forza main always behaves like I'd expect them to do. I dont expect them to behave like Midnight Club where Honda's take down Lamborghinis and that sort.

 

[GBalao888]

Even with the "New Racer" difficulty, on the Indianapolis GP Circuit using Paul Walker's Skyline (fully customized), I found a LaFerrari and a McLaren P1 cheating by going faster beyond the norm when I didn't seem to make any mistakes there.

 

[TonyJZX]

Its very noticeable on the short club tracks... ie. brands hatch or catalyuna, not a lot of room for error.

On the long tracks, ehh... its not too hard. ie. I just humiliated the 1-2 AI on infineon, Daytona, Road America... these tracks are too long, too many complications that the AI just isnt that good at. Also these tracks should be in your DNA. You've been here before.

 

[ImaRobot]

There's always going to be 'aliens' who are beating the 'unbeatable' and they come onto any forum and go "yo ho ho, i'm beating the best and its easy so there must be something wrong with you and not the game..."

GIT GUD

except that no one has said that.

And yet we have Dan who says there is a problem.

IMO there IS a problem. Forza IMO has generally had reasonable and believeable AI... F6 has turned into a 2 car rabbit race (remind you of a certain Japanese developer?)... this aint right IMO but of course some people like that. This gam so far has me fighting the 20 car mid pack so I can focus on the 1-2. That's a weird game IMO.

there is definitely something wrong. On pro, the 2nd place car shouldn't be right alongside me, sometimes lapping the competition, that's just too out of place. However, I use pro because that one car gives me a better competition. Unbeatable feels to rushed with the amount of laps available.

From what I've seen it makes the game inconsistent. On the short club circuits I get my ass handed to me. I have to drive like my ass is on fire... just to get a 3rd.

on short tight tracks I notice this to be the case because the pack gets jumbled together, making it hard to pass.

And then it moves to a full circuit like Spa or Bernaise and then I burn them by 30 secs... its ME, daylight and then 2 and 3.... an eternity... then the other 22 losers.

that Is some really odd inconsistency. My experience has been the same for all tracks so far. I usually end up with a good lead from the first or second lap, while racing the 2nd place. They usually end up making a mistake following my pace and lines and fall way back with the pack.

I've seen enough unbelievable crap that does sit well with me... ie 600 class cars and the field is thick with 4wd Subes and EVOs and AMG 45s etc.

I'm not seeing what's so unbelievable about that? All I use is inexpensive road cars, ad I build them into higher classes too.

And I'm in 2nd and get done out of corners by an FWD SRT4??? COME ON. No one beleives that. The 1 and 2 AI does need some attention.

I didn't realize you know what modifications are done to the opponents cars. Either way, the SRT4 Is a very competent car. So you to stop making assumptions based off its stock drivetrain, because even if it is FWD, it's still damn fast.

I just had race at rainy silverstone short that shows some really questionable AI.

I expected to only get 3rd in this race. I'm in an Toyota SC400. In 3rd chasing a Honda Integra or Prelude. He comes out of the 2nd last hairpin and he leaps out the corner like he's got nitrous. There no way I can catch him.

the Integra and Prelude have some great speed actually. A C class Integra happens to be one of my faster cars actually and it grips for days. This doesn't sounds believable.

Then he slows down for that gentle-ish corner leading to the start finish. I overtake him there.

I've actually also notice some soft last laps from AI. that is indeed odd

1stly he has way too much acceleration out of corners. Honda Preludes arent like that.

I know for a fact that this can happen. Where is this ridiculous assumption coming from.

2ndly he slows down way too much for the final corner which makes it easy for me to take him there.

So I'm kinda racing to the AI. I always try to be in a good position to take advantage of their AI weakness but I conceed to where I can get them due to their un-natural strengths (this is actually kind of funny).

fundamentally, isn't that how you should approach all races? Albeit, the lead is definitely out of place. Good thing they're looking into it.

I've always felt that the cars in Forza main always behaves like I'd expect them to do. I dont expect them to behave like Midnight Club where Honda's take down Lamborghinis and that sort.

My Hondas take down all kinds of high end cars, but I feel like your over exaggerating, because building one into S class they don't become competitive anymore due to their top speed and limited cornering ability. I feel your just throwing in an over exaggeration to try to make a point.

However if the Lamborghini driver is incompetent then it very well can happen.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Yesterday a friend and I were racing a bit. We started by running S class on the ring and then we went to E class on Atlanta. I was driving the 63 Beetle and after a while in the race I was running 6th I overtook the 5th place car in the final corner before the long straight and got a couple of car lengths on it. I did not pay any attention to what kind of car it was at that point. Anyways it gets straightened up and starts closing on me quick goes by like I am setting still and disappears over the rise. I'm like "was that a Vette?" Next lap about 1/2 way aroudn I caught up to it again and over took it about 3 turns before the long straight and once again it comes blowing by me and out of sight.

As it turns out when we changed classes to E half of the AI cars were still S class which we had not noticed before the start of the race and of course my E class 63 Beetle was no match for the S class beasts, but that Vette was slowing almost to a stop in the corners then going up to over 150 on the straights. It was rather funny to watch it but shows some very questionable driving by the AI