Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

[Jezza819]

I know there are still AI issues even though Turn 10 says they've improved but they really need to address Daytona Road Course. There is always a pack up in turn 2 at the start of the race and if you're following an AI car closely through there later in the race they will abruptly brake just like at the start.

 

[syphe]

I know there are still AI issues even though Turn 10 says they've improved but they really need to address Daytona Road Course. There is always a pack up in turn 2 at the start of the race and if you're following an AI car closely through there later in the race they will abruptly brake just like at the start.

I think when they are a bit more happy with the AI behaviour they will likely call it out properly in a blog post prior to an update, if you remember the Jan update they sent out https://forza.net/news/forza-motorsport-community-update-3 it detailed 3 areas they were working on in parallel, but since then they have only really called out the progression changes boldly, AI and penalties have been mentioned in release notes but weren't really the key features of any release.

Of course, until then, incremental improvements are still very much welcome 😁

 

[AttackDickie]

I know there are still AI issues even though Turn 10 says they've improved but they really need to address Daytona Road Course. There is always a pack up in turn 2 at the start of the race and if you're following an AI car closely through there later in the race they will abruptly brake just like at the start.

Out of interest, try using a factory stock car or a car upgraded only within its original class. And make your PI the limit in the free play options, as I swear you get better behaved AI, cars still make mistakes on certain tracks but I've had some amazingly clean races using this method. (I did a normal one make Cayman GT3 race and even the lead car was all over the place. Tried it again with my method and it was a totally clean race) I wonder if it's because they normally go for power builds, as when I do this, some will match your PI but most will go under it. Or it could be just random what AI/Drivertars you get?

 

[Jezza819]

Out of interest, try using a factory stock car or a car upgraded only within its original class. And make your PI the limit in the free play options, as I swear you get better behaved AI, cars still make mistakes on certain tracks but I've had some amazingly clean races using this method. (I did a normal one make Cayman GT3 race and even the lead car was all over the place. Tried it again with my method and it was a totally clean race) I wonder if it's because they normally go for power builds, as when I do this, some will match your PI but most will go under it. Or it could be just random what AI/Drivertars you get?

I was using the newly acquired bone stock Vasser-Sullivan Lexus RC-F, which I think is 784, and I set the AI limit at 790. I have been using the PI limit method for the last several times I've played. It helps somewhat to at least make the races competitive and not have two cars just keep pulling away but it doesn't help with their behavior as far as packing up or running into you. At least it hasn't so far.

 

[Speedster911]

This is one of the things GT does better, in the sense that this car, which has a history with the franchise, just arrived via update and they made a bit of fuss about it.
In FM the car is just there among the others, with no sense of what makes it special.

I wish we could get back to the FM4 presentation where some cars got the full Autovista treatment. That felt special.

Anyways to LeMans I go (where else?)

Friend, from the rocky launch and the way things are going, I don't think FM will ever be "FM" again. other franchises are nailing it left and right with their target base, and Forza is just alienating itself further. Never thought this day would come or I'd be saying this about a game I got the X360 exclusively for.

 

[nukleabomb]

other franchises are nailing it left and right with their target base

Literally every long running game franchises have problems, and their fans are extremely vocal about. Whether that's shooters (CoD, BF), Open world games (most Ubisoft games), Racing games (Grid, GT, NFS), Pokémon etc. We get countless "xx has lost the way", and "Modern game bad" articles, posts, discussion, videos etc.

 

[Scaff]

This is one of the things GT does better, in the sense that this car, which has a history with the franchise, just arrived via update and they made a bit of fuss about it.
In FM the car is just there among the others, with no sense of what makes it special.

I don't think either franchise does it well at all. Aside from the pre-drop marketing (on which count both do a reasonable job), PD did nothing to make the GT-One special in-game. All it got was a limited time-trial event and a new race, but the race comes with a big caveat, it's at Le Mans, but part of the World Touring Car 900, which gives it some odd (and non-multiclass) opposition. That's without the backlash about what Group it's been put in, which seems to be drawing more focus than the car itself.

It didn't even get a menu book to allow a fanfare to be made about it, which oddly (but not surprisingly) went to Jaguar, a brand not part of the content drop at all!

I wish we could get back to the FM4 presentation where some cars got the full Autovista treatment. That felt special.

This I agree with totally.

 

[UKMikey]

I wish we could get back to the FM4 presentation where some cars got the full Autovista treatment. That felt special.

This I agree with totally.

Bring back the spoken commentaries.

 

[deththrasher]

Bring back the spoken commentaries.

But with old british man from FM4 or jeremy clarkson, no super dull Forza Motorsport 5 lady

i realise old british man and jeremy clarkson are one in the same but that game actually had 2 distinguished gentleman

 

[AttackDickie]

I'm not Clarkson's biggest fan, but I'd welcome back the Stratos and his description.

 

[UKMikey]

But with old british man from FM4 or jeremy clarkson, no super dull Forza Motorsport 5 lady

i realise old british man and jeremy clarkson are one in the same but that game actually had 2 distinguished gentleman

FM2023 has a British guy doing voiceovers too. Why not use him?

 

[PJTierney]

Bring back the spoken commentaries.

I highly suspect they were cut due to cost.

In Forza Motorsport 4, only about 20 cars got the treatment as it was essentially a prototype for the upcoming Xbox One generation.

Forza Motorsport 6 did voiceover on every car I think, but by then the roster had ballooned to 500+ cars, and I presume the VO work was also done in other languages. VO work isn't cheap, nor is the implementation of it across a game.

 

[Nacho Libre]

That's why I advocate the Autovista (and not Forzavista) approach. Not all cars are created equal, so only truly significant cars would get a comprehensive presentation/commentary. The rest could get cue cards.

I do remember that Richard Hammond, James May and a number of racecar drivers had spoken lines in FM6. I fantasize that we could get some celebrities that are very car-knowledgeable to do something video game related, like Jay Leno, Jerry Seinfeld, Robert Downey Jr, Tim Allen...

 

[toastet]

In times of AI generated "real" voices maybe this will change soon.

 

[AttackDickie]

That's why I advocate the Autovista (and not Forzavista) approach. Not all cars are created equal, so only truly significant cars would get a comprehensive presentation/commentary. The rest could get cue cards.

I do remember that Richard Hammond, James May and a number of racecar drivers had spoken lines in FM6. I fantasize that we could get some celebrities that are very car-knowledgeable to do something video game related, like Jay Leno, Jerry Seinfeld, Robert Downey Jr, Tim Allen...

Jay Leno would be cool esp if you could go into a test drive and he'd still be talking about the car.

 

[sirjim73]

FM2023 has a British guy doing voiceovers too. Why not use him?

I like his voiceovers and he would be excellent for this. But, I can also see that the cost of doing this is likely the issue.

Maybe they could do it for just the new additions initially (these cars would be more likely to have people "look" at them anyway, so in terms of "engagement" surely this would be a better return on their investment)? When doing the series intro, he could say something like "check this car out in Forzavista to hear more about its V8" to prompt the viewer to look for it.

 

[AttackDickie]

^^ Although at this point, just give me more tracks, I can take care of the rest.

 

[RolexGTP]

Same. And more race cars to fill out several divisions

^^ Although at this point, just give me more tracks, I can take care of the rest.

 

[The_Greaser]

I highly suspect they were cut due to cost.

True, but voiceovers also take up a lot of space. And by space, I mean by the gigabytes.

 

[deththrasher]

FM2023 has a British guy doing voiceovers too. Why not use him?

not old and distinguished enough for me 👴

FM4 just had class to it, old british blokes have that in spades

 

[Jezza819]

FM2023 has a British guy doing voiceovers too. Why not use him?

He sounds like Peter Serafinowicz.

 

[UKMikey]

He sounds like Peter Serafinowicz.

I can't unhear that now.

"With its V12 engine and 1158 horsepower spinning at an unprecedented 11000 rpm, the 2023 Aston Martin Valkyrie will have you sprinting down the following straight before the rest of the pack can reach the obligatory turn one pile-up..."

 

[breeminator]

not old and distinguished enough for me 👴

FM4 just had class to it, old british blokes have that in spades

The best example I've ever heard in a game is Defense Grid : The Awakening

 

[UKMikey]

The best example I've ever heard in a game is Defense Grid : The Awakening

Jim Ward did a superb job for an American but this old game used an actual old British guy. I bet people will still complain, though.

 

[sirjim73]

not old and distinguished enough for me 👴

FM4 just had class to it, old british blokes have that in spades

I know I have

 

[Dopplegagger]

True, but voiceovers also take up a lot of space. And by space, I mean by the gigabytes.

Why not use A.I. TTS for it? The soulless crew chief in FM already sounds the part.

 

[PJTierney]

Why not use A.I. TTS for it? The soulless crew chief in FM already sounds the part.

If you want a proper crew chief, look at the F1 games. Forza's seems like an afterthought by comparison.

 

[unfairlane]

The best example I've ever heard in a game is Defense Grid : The Awakening

Good but I still think the original Max Payne takes the cake:

 

[kartman21]

Just try again today, AI is a bit better but far far from the standard of other games, no mention t the penalty system that is just garbage, and even worst with this AI...

I've spend some time on PCARS, even this game AI is better and when you come back to GT7 it is a another world, they need to fix this asap

 

[MrCrynox]

Whereas I have had some brilliant races with the AI in the V6 combustion championship, some real battles with the top 3. Playing on difficulty level 7.