Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

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It's humorous to see some folks to say that the line for them with this game is literally the looks of menus and the lack of atmosphere "Vibes bro, omg where are the vibes brooo" is pretty much what I read from them, but some of those folks have no problem with core issues in one game like...

  • Menus being an actual hassle to go through
  • No form of qualifying/practice in a race or championship at all
  • The entire grid being stupidly spread out in races
  • Classification for race cars is garbage
  • Boring/Bland racing
  • Mostly uninteresting and outdated car list
  • Plenty of cars having no races/championships for them
  • New tracks and new events barely ever getting added
  • Missions haven't really been added upon since forever
  • The promised endurance races being truly not added still
  • Invitation system still locking people out of cars years later
  • No new championships ever being added
  • A career mode that pretends and lies to its players about being grand in scope, but it being the literal opposite in reality.

Issues going on for three years straight for that one game by the way.
 
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deththrasher
Not in all aspects no, but as an actual game it was much superior. Reviews and fan reverence prove that
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The difficult thing about this statement is that once I played FM23 it became impossible for me to struggle through the snap mid-corner oversteer and terrible curb behaviour of FM7 anymore.

No matter how many game-elements are missing in FM23 compared to predecessors, just not having to use rewind every time the stupid snap oversteer happens is so refreshing, I simply can't go back.


Now in many ways this driving improvement could even be called a shame, since FM7's career mode and car collecting was indeed better. But I was 100% for all single player career races and only 25 cars short of collecting everything before FM23 launch though so I don't really need to go back.
 
deththrasher
Not in all aspects no, but as an actual game it was much superior. Reviews and fan reverence prove that
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Was it, tho? Because the career, that is nowadays somehow praised as engaging and well-structured, felt like an immense (and quite pointless) chore. The Autovista felt more like a licensed gimmick than an actual feature. The multiplayer was dreadful, with the public lobbies split in between car football (which, I'll admit, was fun in small doses) and impromptu sessions of car bowling (which weren't), and private lobbies regularly splitting in two due to IP conflicts and desyncing. The car list was nothing to write home about in the end, the track list was padded to no end with fictional tracks that looked decent but were god-awful for racing (like Camino Viejo and Positano), the AI was just driving on splines and was dumb as a bag of bricks, and the menus weren't all that great (although they didn't require ten click-throughs to do the most basic things).

I've said it before and I'll say it again; what made FM4 so great for so many Forza enthusiasts was the community surrounding it. I remember jumping into Forza around the time FM4 came out - I'd been a GT player before then, and Forza felt like a massive downgrade in many regards; that is, until I started to get involved with the Forza scene on the official forums and sunk countless hours playing the game socially, and then I got the point.
If that sense of community is gone, it's not just because of the faux-pas that was FM5 (which led many people to postpone or forego entirely buying a new Xbox), but also due to the the barriers to emergent gameplay imposed by the abandonment of many social features that came with that accursed game, and more broadly speaking, because of the death of this kind of environments on the internet. But of course, this won't stop people from looking at FM4 with rose-tinted glasses because they had a lot of fun playing with it, and will make claims as ludicrous as "the paint booth in FM4 was better", "the public lobbies were cleaner", "we had more race cars", and so on.
 
Nacho Libre
It's unquestionably the best driving game in the series by far. But it can be argued that the act of "purchasing" and "owning" say a Dodge Neon and a Ferrari 458 Italia just feels about the same. In FM4 you had a candid narrated tour of the Italia, and its presentation was remarkable (don't think the folk working on GT didn't take notice). Some brands and models, especially those with racing prestige, should be above the more pedestrian offerings, IMO.

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I think that's Peter Egan doing the voiceover after Clarkson? For those old enough and in the UK to remember it, Ever Decreasing Circles, he has appeared in many other things of course (the father in Unforgotten recently). Always a fantastic voice 👍
 
I think it's a pretty valid argument that FM4 was the best of the series relative to the time it was released as the standard was a bit different then. Most areas of the game have seen an upgrade since then (although maybe not a big enough upgrade) but the most important part, the driving and racing, certainly has seen big upgrades.

I don't really think sim and sim-ish racing games age as well as we remember them. We use our imagination to kinda play "make believe" with games that are supposed to be realistic, which can impact our memory of them a bit as we don't remember just the game but also the parts our imagination filled in to augment the experience. Going back and actually playing them can be a pretty stark reminder how far things have come though.

ClydeYellow
Was it, tho? Because the career, that is nowadays somehow praised as engaging and well-structured, felt like an immense (and quite pointless) chore.
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Agree with the whole post in general, but this part always seemed strange to me too. There seems to be this weird thing in racing games where a certain portion of the playerbase mainly seems to care about collecting little checkmarks next to events, so lots of little checkmarks to collect automatically means the career is good even if the AI is bad and the events are 3 lap bash-fests using RNG generated car and track selections.

FM8 definitely has a pretty pathetic career on all fronts, but the most common complaint is that there aren't enough events... But I just don't see how more of something bad is somehow a good thing. If those people who want more events think that the AI is fine and the arbitrary car/track selections are okay and are fine with the shallow races, then Free Play exists... the only difference is you have to choose what you want to do (a plus in my book, as you can be creative) and you don't get a little check mark next to something when you finish it, but if you only enjoy racing if you get a checkmark then do you really enjoy racing? Always found it puzzling.

Also big agree Camino Viejo sucks, it was basically the track that started the whole "looks pretty but **** for racing" run of Forza fantasy tracks through FM7 (although one could argue Maple Valley was the progenitor). Ladera and Iberian were... not as bad but not great, I guess they count as part of the package.
 
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Morbid65
FM8 definitely has a pretty pathetic career on all fronts, but the most common complaint is that there aren't enough events... But I just don't see how more of something bad is somehow a good thing. If those people who want more events think that the AI is fine and the arbitrary car/track selections are okay and are fine with the shallow races, then Free Play exists... the only difference is you have to choose what you want to do (a plus in my book, as you can be creative) and you don't get a little check mark next to something when you finish it, but if you only enjoy racing if you get a checkmark then do you really enjoy racing? Always found it puzzling.
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Free Play and Tour races are not identical. Free Play kinda shoves you into a random position when you start. Career races let you tailor the start position more precisely than front, middle or back and results in a better experience. I don't want a check mark. I want a closer race.
 
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UKMikey
Free Play and Tour races are not identical. Free Play kinda shoves you into a random position when you start. Career races let you tailor the start positionmore precisely than front, middle or back and results in a better experience. I don't want a check mark. I want a closer race.
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I find that less important as you can make longer races in Free Play and therefore don't need to start as close to the front, but regardless, you can use the Car Groups to start you where you want. For overly complex things that already use them for multiclass and stuff it's tough to make it work right though.

Just set "Number of car groups" on the Rules page to 3, and turn on "Order by car group."
  • If you want to start on pole, put yourself in Car Group 1, move all the AI to Car Group 2. Just do the opposite if you want to start last.
  • If you want to start say 10th for example, put yourself in Group 2, and move 9 cars to Group 1, and the remaining cars to Group 3. Works for any grid spot.

I get that it's absolutely stupid that you have to do it that convoluted way when they could just copy and paste the thing from Career, or give us qualifying, but where there is a will there is a way, and working around the stupid limitations to enjoy the game has been something Forza Motorsport players have been needing to do for like 15 years now. As an added bonus you can use the Free Play settings to make the races longer, multiply the tire wear, add mandatory pit stops, customize your own weather, speed up time, etc so it really allows you to create more varied and engaging races.

You can also use the bucket system to make the AI a bit faster than you if you need a handicap. Just raise the PI in the 2 buckets you aren't in slightly above your bucket, and in most cases the AI will upgrade their cars... It can be a little janky though as sometimes they will refuse to upgrade without quitting out of Free Play and loading in again (so it recalculates the grid), and obviously some cars with limited upgrades (mostly certain race cars) won't work for it.

Here's to hoping when they finally bring us manual grid for private lobbies (one of the devs said it was planned on the official forum) that it's also usable in Free Play.
 
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Morbid65
I find that less important as you can make longer races in Free Play and therefore don't need to start as close to the front, but regardless, you can use the Car Groups to start you where you want. For overly complex things that already use them for multiclass and stuff it's tough to make it work right though.

Just set "Number of car groups" on the Rules page to 3, and turn on "Order by car group."
  • If you want to start on pole, put yourself in Car Group 1, move all the AI to Car Group 2. Just do the opposite if you want to start last.
  • If you want to start say 10th for example, put yourself in Group 2, and move 9 cars to Group 1, and the remaining cars to Group 3. Works for any grid spot.

I get that it's absolutely stupid that you have to do it that convoluted way when they could just copy and paste the thing from Career, or give us qualifying, but where there is a will there is a way, and working around the stupid limitations to enjoy the game has been something Forza Motorsport players have been needing to do for like 15 years now. As an added bonus you can use the Free Play settings to make the races longer, multiply the tire wear, add mandatory pit stops, customize your own weather, speed up time, etc so it really allows you to create more varied and engaging races.

You can also use the bucket system to make the AI a bit faster than you if you need a handicap. Just raise the PI in the 2 buckets you aren't in slightly above your bucket, and in most cases the AI will upgrade their cars... It can be a little janky though as sometimes they will refuse to upgrade without quitting out of Free Play and loading in again (so it recalculates the grid), and obviously some cars with limited upgrades (mostly certain race cars) won't work for it.

Here's to hoping when they finally bring us manual grid for private lobbies (one of the devs said it was planned on the official forum) that it's also usable in Free Play.
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It may be possible but not very QoL. You'd also have to run a trial race to work out where you'd want to start to get a close race in the first place (or other places in this case). Qualifying or Challenge the Grid would fix this in a single stroke. It's all very well saying people shouldn't complain because there's Free Play but these caveats perhaps make our complaints a little more justified. Thanks for the advice though.
 
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RolexGTP
All I want from FM4 is the events/career structure and cars. With the divisions we have now so many would get filled up especially the race cars.
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They really dropped the ball not featuring a deep career mode so many were crying out for. But they have one more chance to do it with the anniversary update. When the game should get more coverage than normal. Really hope they take it otherwise it could work the other way with many pointing out how great the series USED to be.
 
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skazz
The difficult thing about this statement is that once I played FM23 it became impossible for me to struggle through the snap mid-corner oversteer and terrible curb behaviour of FM7 anymore.

No matter how many game-elements are missing in FM23 compared to predecessors, just not having to use rewind every time the stupid snap oversteer happens is so refreshing, I simply can't go back.


Now in many ways this driving improvement could even be called a shame, since FM7's career mode and car collecting was indeed better. But I was 100% for all single player career races and only 25 cars short of collecting everything before FM23 launch though so I don't really need to go back.
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Career mode in FM7 was better? I definitely challenge that - the career mode in FM7 was 6-7 cups with 6-7 races in each and BOP was used for each race so you couldn't upgrade you car which was so frustrating. I finished the career mode and never went back to it because there was no reason to. FM23 releases 10 new Cups each month which has kept me playing every week since it launched. I know which game I prefer.
 
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WHO1
Career mode in FM7 was better? I definitely challenge that - the career mode in FM7 was 6-7 cups with 6-7 races in each and BOP was used for each race so you couldn't upgrade you car which was so frustrating. I finished the career mode and never went back to it because there was no reason to. FM23 releases 10 new Cups each month which has kept me playing every week since it launched. I know which game I prefer.
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I prefer the FM7 approach because nothing was time limited, so it could be done when I had time.
 
ShavedBadger
What have you seen that makes you say that? (Genuinely curious).
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B188 was mentioned in CarEventMapping.xml
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B190's wheel textures were discovered in FH5's files way back. The exact texture's been uploaded in the TCRF page of FH5.
 


From the link:

Celebrate 20 Years of Forza Motorsport with Fujimi Kaido​

24 March 2025- Turn 10 Studios
Fujimi Kaido makes its long-awaited return to Forza Motorsport this May in celebration of our 20-year anniversary.

Where Dreams Are Driven​

It’s almost 20 years since the release of the first Forza Motorsport game. This moment was the beginning of a multi-decade journey to turn car lovers into gamers, and gamers into car lovers, one that would eventually lead us to the vibrant community we have today – a community driven by car passion, racing skills, competition and creativity.

Over the years that followed our debut game in 2005, we continued exploring our vision of creating innovative and immersive automotive experiences with the release of Forza Motorsport 2, 3, and 4 on Xbox 360; Forza Motorsport 5, 6, and 7 on Xbox One, and most recently, Forza Motorsport on Xbox Series X|S and PC.

With less than two months until the 20th anniversary, today we are excited to share with you a preview of the content that will be available in Forza Motorsport as part of our May update, which includes the eagerly awaited return of a track considered truly legendary in the Forza community.


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Since the release of Forza Motorsport in October 2023, our team has been fully recreating Fujimi Kaido to modern standards in our biggest track project ever! Race and drift on the Full Circuit or Full Circuit Reverse that stretches 10.24 miles in length featuring 144 extreme turns and a 2,711-foot summit.

Our goal is to recapture the magic of drifting with your friends on the massive stretches of serpentine Japanese mountain roads at Fujimi Kaido, and we can’t wait for you to slide sideways once again as we now work to refine and polish this Forza original track for integration into the game this May.

Fujimi Kaido is only the start of our upcoming anniversary content in Forza Motorsport. There are also some highly requested cars coming to the game, in addition to unlockable driver suits, special events in both Career and Featured Multiplayer, new themed Rivals challenges, and more.


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We will have more to share about the Forza Motorsport 20th anniversary as we approach the release of the update in May. Stay tuned to our @forzamotorsport social channels on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Discord, and X (formerly Twitter) for those details, where you can also let us know your favorite Forza Motorsport memories by using #ForzaMotorsport20.

Plus, subscribe to the Forza Newsletter to be informed about everything that’s happening both in the game and our community – you will also receive the bonus Otherworld Driver Suit in Forza Motorsport just for signing up.

It's been an incredible 20 years of racing and drifting. We look forward to sharing this anniversary with you, our players – let’s celebrate this milestone together on the track in Forza Motorsport.
 
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Lots of highly-requested cars. Time to list down the top 10 most requested cars in the Forza Forums to see what is highly possible. And given Fujimi Kaido, 100% a JDM car theme, with some fan-favorites blended in.

FM23 Voting:
1. Ferrari 499P (1,089)
2. Mazda Furai (1,080)
3. Peugeot 9x8 (796)
4. Ferrari 296 [GT Racing] (542)
5. Chevrolet Camaro G56 Le Mans (527)
6. 2023 Ford Mustang [GT Racing] (498)
7. Volkswagen ID.R (492)
8. 2021+ Porsche 911 [GT Racing] (465)
9. 2021 Toyota GR010 (409)
10. 2000-2005 BMW M3 GTR [Racing] (376)

FH Voting (attuned to fit FM23):
1. 2004 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren (2,982)
2. 2024 Koenigsegg Gemera (2,257)
3. 1998-2005 Lexus IS/Altezza (2,214)
4. Bugatti Bolide (2,096)
5. Maserati MC20 (1,855)
6. Toyota Mark II/Chaser X100 (1,827)
7. 1992-1995 Honda Civic (1,667)
8. 2023 Ferrari Daytona SP3 (1,165)
9. Gumpert Apollo (1,142)
10. 2004-2009 Volkswagen Golf (1,074)

Beebo
I never thought I'd see the day. Hopefully May comes with a better career mode plus some community features too (one can dream, right?). With their intense focus on realistic tracks that are good for racing I didn't think we had much of a chance to see Fujimi back but I'm very glad to see it. Will provide some much needed variety to the track list!
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April for the playtesters.

nukleabomb
I wonder what highly requested cars that they mention are. Is it finally time for the MC20? Is it time for the Furai to return?
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From these, the Furai, Toyota X100 and EG Civic fit the theme very well. MC20, possibly a one-off.
 
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I never thought I'd see the day. Hopefully May comes with a better career mode plus some community features too (one can dream, right?). With their intense focus on realistic tracks that are good for racing I didn't think we had much of a chance to see Fujimi back but I'm very glad to see it. Will provide some much needed variety to the track list!
 
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AudiMan2011
Feels like a cheap copout to finally shut up everyone who was moaning about it being MIA since FM4 tbh.
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Idk whether recreation of a 10 mile long track is a "cheap copout". While it is not my first choice of track to bring back from the X360 games, this will be a fun one to drive around in (even if not optimal for racing with an AI grid).

Just for reference:

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I hope this is accompanied by drift and track day lobbies too.




I wonder what highly requested cars that they mention are. Is it finally time for the MC20? Is it time for the Furai to return?
These are the top 10 requested cars for FH:


  1. Mercedes SLR McLaren
  2. Fiat Uno (1983-1995)
  3. Koenigsegg Gemera
  4. Lexus IS/Toyota Altezza (1998-2005)
  5. Bugatti Bolide
  6. Chevrolet Chevy (1994-2012 Mexico)
  7. Maserati MC20
  8. Toyota Chaser - X100/Cresta/Mark II (1996-2001)
  9. Honda Accord - NA Gen. 8 (2008-2012)
  10. Honda Civic - Gen. 5 EG/EH/EJ (1992-1995)

These are the top 10 requested cars for FM:


  1. Ferrari 499P
  2. Mazda Furai
  3. Peugeot 9X8
  4. Ferrari 296 GT3
  5. Chevrolet Camaro Garage 56 Le Mans
  6. Ford Mustang GT3
  7. Volkswagen ID.R
  8. Porsche 911 GT3R - 992 gen.
  9. Toyota GR010
  10. BMW M3 GTR - E46 racecar
Edit: Aww Kelpy D and I had the same idea
 
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nukleabomb
Idk whether recreation of a 10 mile long track is a "cheap copout". While it is not my first choice of track to bring back from the X360 games, this will be a fun one to drive around in (even if not optimal for racing with an AI grid).

Just for reference:

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I hope this is accompanied by drift and track day lobbies too.




I wonder what highly requested cars that they mention are. Is it finally time for the MC20? Is it time for the Furai to return?
These are the top 10 requested cars for FH:


  1. Mercedes SLR McLaren
  2. Fiat Uno (1983-1995)
  3. Koenigsegg Gemera
  4. Lexus IS/Toyota Altezza (1998-2005)
  5. Bugatti Bolide
  6. Chevrolet Chevy (1994-2012 Mexico)
  7. Maserati MC20
  8. Toyota Chaser - X100/Cresta/Mark II (1996-2001)
  9. Honda Accord - NA Gen. 8 (2008-2012)
  10. Honda Civic - Gen. 5 EG/EH/EJ (1992-1995)

These are the top 10 requested cars for FM:


  1. Ferrari 499P
  2. Mazda Furai
  3. Peugeot 9X8
  4. Ferrari 296 GT3
  5. Chevrolet Camaro Garage 56 Le Mans
  6. Ford Mustang GT3
  7. Volkswagen ID.R
  8. Porsche 911 GT3R - 992 gen.
  9. Toyota GR010
  10. BMW M3 GTR - E46 racecar
Edit: Aww Kelpy D and I had the same idea
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Furai would be a crazy reintroduction however unless Mazda finally completed the rebuild of the car (and this is how it gets announced), I don't think they'd put in the FM4 model into FM.
 

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