Forza vs GT6 Trailer Comparison

[HBR-Roadhog]

About the only thing I can think of you could do to make a car really hard to drive straight in Forza 4 would be to use a lot of toe on it, that will surely make them wander all over the road or if your are using a Fanatec wheel and have some deadzone set on it for playing GT then there is a big dead spot in the middle and staying straight could be a problem.

There are a few cars in Forza that are just tail happy in general but that can be tuned out to handle pretty well

 

[Sele1981]

And of course Forza looks many many times better, as expected.

Comparing a FM5 CGI Render Video with an old gen Gran Turismo gameplay 👍

Stupid fanwars

 

[Terronium-12]

It's not CGI, it was the game engine running.

Albeit a very early developer build.

 

[Exorcet]

GT6 trailer is infinitely better.

Forza trailer tells me nothing about the game.

I'd put Forza ahead at the moment though because of hardware. Will have to keep track.

GT6 will still have much better driving mechanics and more realistic physics.

At this point PD would be excused for celebrating if they were able to equal Forza 4 physics. GT is the clear loser in this area. FM5 has a very large potential advantage over GT6 already because of the console jump. Combine that with Forza typically being more serious a sim about physics and I don't see why you'd think GT6 will be ahead.

 

[RPM Bibblefish]

Yes true the only time I had problems with oversteering cars in FM4 was with cars 1 class before S class. As soon as I hit above the s level on a car ha the sh... hit the fan ha lol. Not exactly it jus felt that when playing FM4 the cars jump around to much and are way too touchy. I dont know what FM5 will drive like we'll have to wait and see how well cars handle when the demos come out for both GT6 & FM5.

Have you considered for one minute that may be FM4 gets it right and it's GT5 that's wrong and maybe, just maybe, that's why you can't keep the car under control?

 

[ImaRobot]

Yes true the only time I had problems with oversteering cars in FM4 was with cars 1 class before S class. As soon as I hit above the s level on a car ha the sh... hit the fan ha lol. Not exactly it jus felt that when playing FM4 the cars jump around to much and are way too touchy. I dont know what FM5 will drive like we'll have to wait and see how well cars handle when the demos come out for both GT6 & FM5.

Just to note, when you upgrade any cars' suspension bits, it throws together a horrible horrible default tune. If you are just slapping on parts with out any work whatsoever the cars are going to be pretty horrible, atleast thats how its been in my case.

Although, I have never had problems with any class below S, as long as I tune them after upgrading. S class is where it starts for me, but thats only for cars that I should have not even upgraded to S class in the first place.

 

[Earth]

Comparing a FM5 CGI Render Video with an old gen Gran Turismo gameplay 👍

Stupid fanwars

Polyphony Digital trailers are never 100% pure untouched gameplay. If they were you'd see the horrible shadows in all the trailers leading up to GT5.

Also the comparision is very fair. Polyphony Digital or Sony decided to develop the game on a last gen console. Microsoft or Turn 10 decided to develop the next Forza on the next gen. Polyphony Digital and Sony does not get a "get out of jail free woe is me" card for building the newest game on obsolete hardware. F5 and GT6 will be compared and graphics will be a part of that comparison.

Graphics are part of a game, and so far it looks like Forza will be the clear cut winner (in terms of graphics) in the next battle between the two console sims for the first time. Of course delusional Polyphony Digital fanboys will claim GT6 looks more realistic, etc. I cant really say too much about them as I use to be a Polyphony Digital apologist myself, and withdrawal from the franchise is very, very tough.

GT6 trailer is infinitely better.

How so?

Forza trailer tells me nothing about the game.

It told me Turn 10 once again is going to include many of the latest and greatest cars in the world, and we may get John Hindhaugh commentary.

What did the GT6 trailer say about the game? That the cars will have more body roll this time around? Sorry, but I saw nothing interesting or exciting about the GT6 trailer.

 

[Zathra5_]

It is way too early to say which game will be the clear cut winner. We know very little about either, but early information suggests that it could cost me $800 to play Forza5 while it will likely only cost me $60 to play GT6. Is Forza5 going to be over 10x better than GT6? I doubt it. We'll just have to wait until we hear more. If it's true that we'll need a new wheel to play Forza5, I won't be able to afford it anyway.

Personally, I don't want commentary or music in my sim game except maybe in a replay. I'd be excited about commentary in the next Horizon but not in Forza5.

 

[KreepaEvox]

Ok, plain and simple. These 2 approaches resound what we already believe. GT, while a high quality game is always behind the times, essentially delivering what GT5 was going to be without all that pressure from Sony. Will it be great? of course it will be, is GT. But, like always, playing catch up to T10 in car models that matter, engine sounds and the frequency of the games they produce

 

[Exorcet]

How so?

I just found it more interesting to watch.

It told me Turn 10 once again is going to include many of the latest and greatest cars in the world, and we may get John Hindhaugh commentary.

What did the GT6 trailer say about the game? That the cars will have more body roll this time around? Sorry, but I saw nothing interesting or exciting about the GT6 trailer.

You're stretching a bit. We might get the P1. That's about it in terms of car list. The GT6 trailer didn't say much either, I agree. Though I'd put that body roll stuff as the highlight of either trailer.

 

[Mulan]

Of course delusional Polyphony Digital fanboys will claim GT6 looks more realistic, etc. I cant really say too much about them as I use to be a Polyphony Digital apologist myself, and withdrawal from the franchise is very, very tough.

This, i started a thread for helping me decide what to do, and i almost feel like going to a AA meetings but for letting go of GT.
But it is also about choosing Xbox over PS and that is hard too.
I hope E3 will clear lots of questions.

 

[phillgt2002]

You're stretching a bit. We GT6 might get the P1.

Speaking with 'we' is only showing that you're very opinionated. There is no team GT6 or team FM5.

I highly doubt that T10 will let their poster car slip into the hands of their rivals. (Before you say anything about the 458 Italia, that was already in GT5 and FM3.)

I'm sure T10 has exclusive rights or at least timed rights to that car. If it does get released for GT6, I'm sure you will see alot of 'in your face T10' posted on GTP

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

It told me Turn 10 once again is going to include many of the latest and greatest cars in the world,

umm there were only 2 cars in the trailer

and we may get John Hindhaugh commentary.

Let's hope not the last thing I need is some stupid AI commentary while I am trying to drive

What did the GT6 trailer say about the game?

Not much other than it showed a new track and a classic rally car

Sorry, but I saw nothing interesting or exciting about the GT6 trailer.

The exciting part. It is going to be available very soon and it will work on my existing hardware.

Fm5 on the other hand requires new Console, possibly new wheel and pedals and may even need to pay extra for each driver in the house.

GT6 final cost will be about $60 and you can play online for free
FM5 could be closer to $1000 and you can play online for $60 a year per person

I like the sound of GT6 better

 

[Exorcet]

Speaking with 'we' is only showing that you're very opinionated. There is no team GT6 or team FM5.

I highly doubt that T10 will let their poster car slip into the hands of their rivals. (Before you say anything about the 458 Italia, that was already in GT5 and FM3.)

I'm sure T10 has exclusive rights or at least timed rights to that car. If it does get released for GT6, I'm sure you will see alot of 'in your face T10' posted on GTP

Replacing we with GT6 turns my sentence into something else entirely. We means player. And the game in question was Forza 5.

 

[Joey D]

GT6 final cost will be about $60 and you can play online for free
FM5 could be closer to $1000 and you can play online for $60 a year per person

I like the sound of GT6 better

GT6 will only be $60 if you already have a PS3, a wheel, and a stand for the wheel.

If you start adding everything else on you can always get wildly inflated numbers that mean nothing. I mean did you know you also might need a TV, a place to live, and electricity to play Forza 5? That could easily run you over $100k, totally not worth it, right?

 

[Exorcet]

GT6 final cost will be about $60 and you can play online for free
FM5 could be closer to $1000 and you can play online for $60 a year per person

I like the sound of GT6 better

That investment goes to FM6 as well. GT6 goes nowhere.

Still a valid point (well except that Forza price is inflated). I'd rather have the best physics though.

 

[Imari]

Let's hope not the last thing I need is some stupid AI commentary while I am trying to drive

No developer in the world would be dumb enough to try and commentate when you're driving. That's called a spotter.

Commentary in replays however would be amazing.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

That investment goes to FM6 as well. GT6 goes nowhere.

GT6 price is only for the game and I am sure I will get more than my moneys worth from just that game in the first 30 days

Still a valid point (well except that Forza price is inflated). I'd rather have the best physics though.

Not inflated at all, maybe a bit under the mark. If as would seem to be the case my wheel and pedals will not work with the new console then that means I have to replace them with an equal quality setup to get the same level of experience or as close as possible.

my Wheel cost just under $500 with shipping
My Pedals just over $300 with shipping

That's $800 already so even if the Xbox is only $299 we are still at $1100 and have not yet bought the game.

As for the better physics I see a lot of people who say Forza is better but I have played both quite a lot and I do not see Forza as having better physics. In some ways Forza 4 is not as good as the 2 previous titles and in some ways it is better same goes for GT5 and we do not know yet what we will get with FM5 or GT6

I do know that one of the things that drives me up the wall in Forza is how prone the car is to spin in some odd cases that would not logically cause a spin and 90% of the time when it stops is pointing the wrong way on the track. 1 example is you come driving into a corner and the stupid AI car in front moves over into your path and brakes causing you to hit him in the rear. You hit him square on but kinda hard he goes straight ahead you spin out. I would not consider that good physics

Another example Forza 3 and 4 you take a car out on the big oval raise the front ride hieght as high as it goes and set the rear as low as you can without dragging then set the front springs as stiff as they go and the rear ones as soft as you can without dragging then drive the car around the track and your lap times and top speed will be higher than it would with a more logical tune. Clearly an issue with the physics of the game. There are several others but in general the game feels pretty good as does GT5 and I am sure GT6 and FM5 will feel good as well

Also in the case of the new Xbox if it does in fact turn out that i can not use my wheel and/or it turns out that they are going to lock the game to your profile as was mentioned somewhere in the forums then I surely will not buy the new Xbox nor Forza and will cancel my XBox live membership

Commentary in replays however would be amazing.

If it was in replays and it was done well then it could be cool at least for a little while.

 

[Northstar]

GT6 price is only for the game

Do you really think that's a fair comparison?

Also, what happens when GT7 comes out on the PS4? Is that going to be a waste because it costs(using your logic) hundreds of dollars?

 

[Exorcet]

Not inflated at all, maybe a bit under the mark. If as would seem to be the case my wheel and pedals will not work with the new console then that means I have to replace them with an equal quality setup to get the same level of experience or as close as possible.

It is inflated. Because the need for a wheel is not a constant.

For instance I play most console race sims with controller. I'll be fine doing so for Forza as well.

Conversely if I wanted a wheel, I only have my old DFP for GT5. It's small for me and I don't have a stand for it so use is limited. So if I wanted a full GT6 set up, that's wheel, stand, and game. That can be hundreds if not 1000+ dollars. All for something on what will become weak hardware. I could spend only a few hundred more for Forza, get all the same, a better game (let's just assume next gen console is all that) and I'll be set for Forza 6. If when GT7 comes around, it's on PS4, well then I'm probably losing money.

my Wheel cost just under $500 with shipping
My Pedals just over $300 with shipping

And you may need to buy these for PS3.

As for the better physics I see a lot of people who say Forza is better but I have played both quite a lot and I do not see Forza as having better physics. In some ways Forza 4 is not as good as the 2 previous titles and in some ways it is better same goes for GT5 and we do not know yet what we will get with FM5 or GT6

Well from my driving, physics, and engineering experience, Forza wins. There's a thread for that if you want to get more technical. And of course, there is no guarantee that FM5 will beat GT6.

I do know that one of the things that drives me up the wall in Forza is how prone the car is to spin in some odd cases that would not logically cause a spin and 90% of the time when it stops is pointing the wrong way on the track. 1 example is you come driving into a corner and the stupid AI car in front moves over into your path and brakes causing you to hit him in the rear. You hit him square on but kinda hard he goes straight ahead you spin out. I would not consider that good physics

That sounds like a really small thing.

Another example Forza 3 and 4 you take a car out on the big oval raise the front ride hieght as high as it goes and set the rear as low as you can without dragging then set the front springs as stiff as they go and the rear ones as soft as you can without dragging then drive the car around the track and your lap times and top speed will be higher than it would with a more logical tune. Clearly an issue with the physics of the game. There are several others but in general the game feels pretty good as does GT5 and I am sure GT6 and FM5 will feel good as well

I've never heard of that in Forza, I guess I'll try looking for it though. However GT5 tuning is a complete mess, and I actually think I've heard of this issue in GT.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

It is inflated. Because the need for a wheel is not a constant.

For instance I play most console race sims with controller. I'll be fine doing so for Forza as well.

I was referring to myself and it is not exaggerated at all

And you may need to buy these for PS3.

Why would I need to buy them for the PS3. I already have them. I also have another high end Fanatec Wheel and another set of pedals that work with the PS3 and 360 and I have a DFGT and pedals as well. I could use any of these on GT6 but may not be able to use any of them on FM5 and there is no way I will spend $400+ to buy a console and a game so I can play with a controller for $60 a year when I could pay $60 and play a game which may be a better game with high end wheel and pedals without the additional $60 a year fee.

The only way I consider FM5 is if they support the existing Fanatec Wheels that worked on the 360 and even then it will take a back seat to GT6 which will be getting all of my attention for a while.

That sounds like a really small thing.

A small thing, square on hit causes the rear to fling around in a very high percentage of occurrences when it should not happen at all. not to mention just how little some of the tuning effects the cars. Like I said it drives ok but I would not go bragging on the physics to much there are lots of things to point fingers at. I have been playing and tuning GT and Forza for quite a while and have tried on Forza pretty much everything you can think of and saw some very odd results. Even the simplest thing Power/weight ratio does not produce the expected result in some cases.

I've never heard of that in Forza, I guess I'll try looking for it though. However GT5 tuning is a complete mess, and I actually think I've heard of this issue in GT.

I have heard it in GT5, have not confirmed it. In Forza 3 and 4 it is absolutely there but is backwards on a few cars. GMC Van, Mazda Familia for example lower front, higher rear gives more speed almost all others higher front lower rear

Do you really think that's a fair comparison?

Do you think it is fair for them to promote a $$$$ wheel setup and brand it only to make the next game not compatible with it?

Also, what happens when GT7 comes out on the PS4? Is that going to be a waste because it costs(using your logic) hundreds of dollars?

If they make the PS4 to where not only do you have to buy the console and the game but you have to replace everything else as well then yes that would be a waste of money.

If it is a matter of buying a new console with a reasonable price and being able to use existing hardware [wheel, pedals] then in either case PS4 XboxOne it may be doable

But are we talking about GT7 vs FM5 or GT6 vs FM5? One requires at the very least a new console and at worst a complete setup where the other requires a disk

 

[Northstar]

Do you think it is fair for them to promote a $$$$ wheel setup and brand it only to make the next game not compatible with it?

You would have an extremely good argument if FM5 was on the 360, but it's not. It's not Turn 10's or Fanatec's fault that Microsoft decided to use different input methods, so blaming them seems rather daft.

I also think this is a risk you take when buying anything technological, especially console related as things can be rather spendy and there is no guarantee they will be supported in the next gen. For instance I have spent hundreds on my CD collection with the full understanding they may be obsolete in a decade.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Don't forget that MS has a hand in Forza as well.

I really hope that the initial reports I have saw about the way games will be handled are incorrect and that there will be support or a mod for the Fanatec wheel because I do want to get FM5.

That said the more I read about the new xbox the less I want it and the more I read about GT6 the more I want it.

After watching both trailers again the GT trailer provides more info than the FM trailer which looks to me like they have added Nitrous boost which could be cool. I hope that the FM5 trailer is just misleading because I get an NFS feel from it rather than Forza feel. The GT5 info I see [not just from the trailer] looks like they are getting more serious about the small details of sim racing and may be the best console racer yet.

 

[ImaRobot]

The FM trailer isn't misleading, your just trying to read to hard into it. Your putting together your own list, and that's fine, off of something that's nothing more than a cinematic trailer.

Nitrous? Where are you getting that from?

Hard to label something as the best when it's not out yet. Either way, it's to early to throw fm under the bus, especially when E3 is coming up soon. You will get more info then.

Didn't GT have some sort of 15th anniversary conference? I'm sure that if there anniversary landed after e3 you'd have just as little info for gt. same can be said for FM, if they had an anniversary before E3, then we'd have more info as well. Either way all I'm getting at is wait for E3, so we can judge off info, not cinematics.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

The FM trailer isn't misleading, your just trying to read to hard into it. Your putting together your own list, and that's fine, off of something that's nothing more than a cinematic trailer.

If it is not missleading then I know a lot of people who will either not buy it or wish they had not bought it once they get it. It gives a very NFS type impression especially with the slow mo and narration

Nitrous? Where are you getting that from?

Ever play NFS? Flames out the back burst of speed take the lead.

I saw somewhere here that car does spit flames IRL so that may be all it is in the video but when I look at it I see NFS more than Forza.

That worries me a bit as Horizon also gave me a NFS impression. I bought it anyway but wish I hadn't. I even tried to give it away but no body wanted it so I traded it in on Madden

 

[Ranman20]

Let's look at it this way.

GT6= standards and more premiums.
FM5= 100% premium looking cars with cockpits.

 

[omgitsbees]

Let's look at it this way.

GT6= standards and more premiums.
FM5= 100% premium looking cars with cockpits.

And we will really know what FM5 is really about in a few weeks. We already have a good idea of the direction of GT6, from what Kaz has said, and it's just a patch for GT5. Still has the same vacuum cleaner engine sounds, standard cars, and no damage model.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Let's look at it this way.

GT6= standards and more premiums.
FM5= 100% premium looking cars with cockpits.

Why would we look at it that way?

Why not look at it this way.
GT6 no new hardware needed.
FM5 $$$ in new hardware needed.

GT6 Online play for free
FM5 Online play $$$

 

[omgitsbees]

Why would we look at it that way?

Why not look at it this way.
GT6 no new hardware needed.
FM5 $$$ in new hardware needed.

GT6 Online play for free
FM5 Online play $$$

Lets selectively pick and choose irrelevant things in order to support our bias towards one game. Great idea.

So you're done with Gran Turismo altogether after GT6 comes out?

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Lets selectively pick and choose irrelevant things in order to support our bias towards one game. Great idea.

Isn't that what the person I was responding to was doing?

Picking out just one thing and twisting it to meet his bias. Yes all cars in Forza have Cockpits and not all cars in GT have cockpits but the number that do is pretty close to the total number of cars in Forza and then we have 100s more cool cars that do not on top of that.

So you're done with Gran Turismo altogether after GT6 comes out?

What? I may or may not be done with Forza but right now GT6 seems much more appealing that FM5 and in no small part it is directly related to how much $$$ are involved. It is just a bonus that GT6 is looking pretty sweet.