Found a stolen track

[RACECAR]

while surfing around, this surprising video caught my attention

as many can tell, This is Grand Valley Speedway, a track featured in every game of Gran Turismo series. if I'm not mistaken, this track is not a real track, but one of the fantasy tracks made by Polyphony Digital yet, this has showed up on Rfactor, therefore this would be considered stealing something copyright from Polyphony digital. post your reactions to this rather shocking discovery.

 

[GordonS]

Unbelievable!!! Do they have a deal of some kind with PD??

 

[Wolfe]

Unbelievable!!! Do they have a deal of some kind with PD??

It's a downloadable mod. In fact, much of rFactor's content is user-created.

From what I understand, user-created content for PC games is beyond the realm of copyright infringement. At the very least, no one cares about it -- otherwise you wouldn't see thousands upon thousands of user-created licensed cars and such for games like Need for Speed High Stakes, Grand Theft Auto 3, and rFactor.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Wow. That's a pretty accurate copy of Grand Valley, I must say.

 

[AngelCreator]

otherwise you wouldn't see thousands upon thousands of user-created licensed cars and such for games like Need for Speed High Stakes, Grand Theft Auto 3, and rFactor.

I have to agree with wolf on this one. I have seen so many cars for game's
like Need for Speed that if anyone thought it was a problem alot of
website's would have been closed down.

 

[a6m5]

Wow. That is very cool. 👍

 

[daan]

Grand Valley is also downloadable for Grand Prix Legends, although the GPL version is nowhere near the grapical quality of the R factor version.

Complex String & Midfield are also available for GPL.

 

[RACECAR]

hmmm, so I seem to have made an error in judgement then. I'm not used to seeing those courses on a game other then Gran Turismo so when I saw that, I thought "that doesn't look right" so I showed this to Jordan then he said I should make a thread about it so I did. I do apoligize for any confusion this has caused.

how is it possible for these tracks to be available without copyright infringements?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

^^If Rfactor allowes for it to be used, and the track was created by Joe Smith, how are PD going to know who´s to blame?

And even if they did find out, I don´t think there is much to do about it. After all, they are not copys per se, since I would assume the code to be pretty different. They are (assumably) only the same in appearance, and not in blood, so to speak. I´m only guessing, but to me at least, that is plausible.

 

[niky]

Grand Valley is also downloadable for Grand Prix Legends, although the GPL version is nowhere near the grapical quality of the R factor version.

Complex String & Midfield are also available for GPL.

If only Complex String were available for Gran Turismo 4! It may not have been much of a track for racing, but damn, was it a good track for practicing and testing!

 

[Latthedisco]

Yeah the only thing I can think of is that they got permission, unless they really did steal the track. If that's the case, then I think PD should be notified.

 

[JRadGT]

wow. you maybe could have argued if it werent for the tunnels and the bridge. thats too much

 

[Syxx_Killer]

The song used in the video was also used in GT3: Motley Crue - Kickstart My Heart.

 

[TuneRVisioN]

as many can tell, This is Grand Valley Speedway, a track featured in every game of Gran Turismo series. if I'm not mistaken, this track is not a real track, but one of the fantasy tracks made by Polyphony Digital yet, this has showed up on Rfactor, therefore this would be considered stealing something copyright from Polyphony digital. post your reactions to this rather shocking discovery.

WTF RFactor is stealing PD tracks? They did a pretty good job...

 

[RACECAR]

^^If Rfactor allowes for it to be used, and the track was created by Joe Smith, how are PD going to know who´s to blame?

And even if they did find out, I don´t think there is much to do about it. After all, they are not copys per se, since I would assume the code to be pretty different. They are (assumably) only the same in appearance, and not in blood, so to speak. I´m only guessing, but to me at least, that is plausible.

I just would think the ways its copied is its appearance and name too. if it had a different name, then perhaps it could be different. BTW, heres the site:http://www.f1elites.com/index.php?pid=9
this is a very big and popular racing site(along with Rfactor) so it shouldn't be too hard to find.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

The song used in the video was also used in GT3: Motley Crue - Kickstart My Heart.

Gotta love buttrock!

 

[Tornado]

Grand Valley is also in Sports Car GT (I believe it is a port of the version from GPL),

 

[Car-less]

I have read many threads on copyrights/patents/trademarks on other forums, and have to say that there appears to be no problem here. It is only the game code itself that would be covered by copyright, and I can see sufficient differences to say that this track was only modelled on the Gran Turismo version. The game code itself was not copied.

Trademarks on the other hand could be in question. If PD has trademarked the name 'Grand Valley Speedway', and the exact same name is used in rfactor then there could be an issue here.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and have been wrong in the past.

 

[-Cheezman-]

Free released mods (and ports from other games) is not Copyright infringement of any kind. As long as the creator doesn't charge money for the mod, their are no laws being broken. Game modification even if you use content from another game is 100% legal.

 

[Thiele]

What's wrong? It's a video of a race. can someone explain how that's "stolen"?

 

[daan]

What's wrong? It's a video of a race. can someone explain how that's "stolen"?

Did you read the thread at all, or just look at the pretty pictures and videos? 💡

Those funny wee squiggly things on the screen make up things called "words", and you have to read them.

 

[tinus2017]

I really don't care
it looks awfull, so it;s not even a good copy
GT will be THE driving game for me for ever
so I have no problems with it

 

[Sleek Stratos]

Too bad they also had some of the rumble strips modeled high enough so you'd end up wiping out in a car with low clearance. Other than that it looks great, I like that it's a bit narrower.

 

[Ignignoc N Err]

I must say, if that was a user created track, they did a remarkable job with the detail (track-wise, at least). It looks to be VERY accurate to the GT model.

 

[TuneRVisioN]

Its a damn shame...

 

[lazyslacker700]

wow i gotta say thats pretty impressive. but its also pretty easy to tell its fake...especially the tunnel.

 

[RedAlpha]

Do you guys care if I correct your wrong thinkings?

This track cannot be stolen, GT4's track format is alot different that rFactor format(obviously), and as far as I know there is NO way to convert them to rFactor or any other PC game for that matter. So if you're one of them that's thinking "LOL stolen", it isn't. This track is in fact scratch built. No profit is being made of the track in rFactor because it is user created content.

I have rFactor with Grand Valley, sue me, I must be a copyright infringer.

/endrant

 

[TuneRVisioN]

Do you guys care if I correct your wrong thinkings?

This track cannot be stolen, GT4's track format is alot different that rFactor format(obviously), and as far as I know there is NO way to convert them to rFactor or any other PC game for that matter. So if you're one of them that's thinking "LOL stolen", it isn't. This track is in fact scratch built. No profit is being made of the track in rFactor because it is user created content.

I have rFactor with Grand Valley, sue me, I must be a copyright infringer.

/endrant

Hmmm... Didn't see it that way. I still want to say that they stole it. They must have no creativity. It's disgusting.

 

[dylansan]

Do you guys care if I correct your wrong thinkings?

This track cannot be stolen, GT4's track format is alot different that rFactor format(obviously), and as far as I know there is NO way to convert them to rFactor or any other PC game for that matter. So if you're one of them that's thinking "LOL stolen", it isn't. This track is in fact scratch built. No profit is being made of the track in rFactor because it is user created content.

I have rFactor with Grand Valley, sue me, I must be a copyright infringer.

/endrant

Most of the people in this thread said the same thing you know...

 

[GT4saleenDriver]

ok, im too lazy to read all the posts,
but i dont think grand valley originated as a Gran turismo track
i seen have seen it on TV shows,
on car testing systems (the map)
and Etc.
it may be the other way around,
but...
i think Grand Valley is a shared concept