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Why did Donald Trump give his opinion on the fabricated controversy with Obama's birth certificate when he was just some idiot who hosted a reality show?
What do the results of the 2020 presidential election have to do with...pillows?



Not a ****ing thing.

The real question is, "Should Disney, Donald Trump or Señor Crackhead be penalized by the state for protected expression that isn't relevant to 'their business'?" And the answer, ideological leanings notwithstanding, is a resounding ****ing "No!"
 
I appreciated the rest of your post, but I'm compelled to note that incarceration is an unlikely outcome subsequent to action against supposed violations of this law. What this law does is affect action by school districts under threat of lawsuits via a new private cause of [legal] action. The aim is to have school districts remove educators who have perpetrated supposed violations of the law or even preemptively remove individuals believed capable of perpetrating supposed violations.

Per the text, "if a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may: ... bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that the school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief."

As I said before, the rat ****ers are attempting to chill disfavored (by them), protected speech by weaponizing the courts and harnessing the litigiousness of the aggrieved.
Correction noted. Appreciate it. 👍
 
Conservative bitchfits being pointed out like this is my kink.



"There is no coherent view on which it’s more objectionable for a poor person to seek public assistance for basic necessities than for a rich organization to dictate the terms on which they get a free platform for a pep rally."
Conservatives are looking for social media "welfare."
 
Conservative bitchfits being pointed out like this is my kink.



"There is no coherent view on which it’s more objectionable for a poor person to seek public assistance for basic necessities than for a rich organization to dictate the terms on which they get a free platform for a pep rally."

The guy complaining suggested in their next tweet that Elon Musk should buy YouTube.

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The guy complaining suggested in their next tweet that Elon Musk should buy YouTube.

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That conversation will probably be 5 seconds.

Musk: I want to buy YouTube.
Google: No.
Musk: I want to buy significant shares of Google to be considered on the executive board then try a hostile takeover.
Google: If you have to tell us this, then you can't afford it.
 
That conversation will probably be 5 seconds.

Musk: I want to buy YouTube.
Google: No.
Musk: I want to buy significant shares of Google to be considered on the executive board then try a hostile takeover.
Google: If you have to tell us this, then you can't afford it.
Republicans: "Google not wanting to sell YouTube is corruption and we demand they preserve record of communications on the matter!"
 
"YouTube is censoring us. What happened to free speech in this country?"


"Elon, please buy YouTube so we can censor them."
I want to say eventually they will learn what the 1st Amendment means, but in order to do that, they would need to make the internet (and wireless phones) common carriers for starters. They won't do that so.... oh well.
 
I mean...it's the mother****ing bat**** Fifth Circut.


Of particular interest is that it's been termed a per curiam opinion, except per curiam means the opinion is held unanimously. These ****ers are just so breathtakingly stupid.

common carriers
The thing about common carriage is that materials are carried from point to point. This is where "communications service" and "information service" come into play. Communications services may be deemed common carriers because communications are transported from point to point and there's no storage that remains accessible by involved parties subsequent to transport. On the internet, an information service, service providers make materials accessible at all times.
 
A well-reasoned and minimally profane* analysis of the bat**** "anti-censorship" law enacted by rat ****ing Republicans in Texas.

*Which isn't to say there's no profanity. Just less than one may expect from the author. It's censored by the forum as transcribed below, but be warned if venturing to read it on the Twitter.


Wondering why the Texas social media law is such a big deal for big (over 50M users) social media companies?

Let's look at two elements of it -- the "anti-censorship" element, and the enforcement mechanism --from a litigator's view. There are other problems as well. /1

/2 The anti-censorship provision says the site can't censor based on the viewpoint of the person or the person's content. So, clearly, that would mean that you can't censor for saying "boo abortion" or "yay miniature American flags."

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/3 But what CAN the site censor? Well, the site can censor content that's illegal, that's outside the protection of the First Amendment, and certain specific threats. That's a very narrow range.

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/4 And the site can clearly censor some other things. What other things? Well -- I guess things that are not "viewpoint" based.

What does that mean, exactly? And how easy is it to determine through litigation?

Those are excellent questions, my friend.

/5 See, I say that the site can censor other things because the law REQUIRES the site to post its "Acceptable Use Policy" about "the types of content allowed on the social media policy."

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/6 Now, apparently, this means that a site may discriminate based on TYPES of content, just not VIEWPOINT of content. Like, I guess, the site can say "no swearing" but can't say "no swearing about any of @nickgillespie's leather jackets." Or "no porn" but not "no anti-war porn."

/7 [I assume there is anti-war porn.]

/8 So. Is that fine and dandy? Not really. The distinction is frequently elusive. It's like the First Amendment distinction between content discrimination and viewpoint discrimination -- often fuzzy, often subject to protracted litigation.

But it gets worse.

/9 See, the Texas law lets the AG, or any aggrieved user, sue if they think the site censored improperly, and get attorney fees and costs and injunctions if they win. If the Texas law stands, there's no more saying "it's Twitter's First Amendment right to moderate."

/10 Say Twitter has a no-swearing policy and I say "@DavidAFrench has a ****-ass opinion about Aquaman." Twitter suspends me. All I have to do is sue and claim Twitter's REAL reason for censoring me is my viewpoint on David, or Aquaman, not my swearing. Twitter has to litigate it.

/11 This will be made easier because automated moderation on scale is always difficult and usually inconsistent and I will be able to point to other times when non-anti-Aquaman swears weren't punished. And people ALWAYS think they're being singled out. It's in the GOP Platform.

/12 So now even if the line between viewpoint and content is easy, and it's NOT, every time a site censors someone for some CONTENT outside their acceptable use policy, if it happened in a remotely controversial context, the user can claim it was actually viewpoint-based and sue.

/13 We're already in the era of performative litigation, and there are tons of orgs out there eager to fund litigation, and it's cheap and easy to do abusive pro se litigation. The result: a flood of ******** lawsuits.

It gets worse.

/14 Texas stuck language in the bill making it deliberately harder for sites to defend claims. First, it made it clear that people can keep suing in different Texas courts until a court with authority over ALL of those courts says the law's invalid.

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/15 Furthermore Texas limited nonmutual issue and claim preclusion -- a fancy way of saying if the site goes into a trial court and says "we already won this issue in another case down the hall" the court says "doesn't matter, this is a different case."

/16 Those are all things you'd do if you wanted to make litigation as attractive, expensive, and difficult to defend as possible. Like if you were doing something crazy and telling people to sue over abortions or something.

/17 Anyway, that's the short version of just ONE problem: the law creates a vague and unworkable "acceptable use" vs. "no viewpoint discrimination" conflict, incentivizes people to bring frivolous suits, and ensures endless litigation.

/18 The only practical approach, short of overturning the law, is to make your Acceptable Use policy as broad as the law, allowing EVERYTHING that's not illegal. Please welcome frontal nudity to Club Penguin!

/19 But even that "fine, we'll have a sewer" approach doesn't solve the problem, because every time you censor someone for one of the "permitted" things (threats, say), the user will claim it wasn't a real threat and you were actually after their viewpoint.

/20 I've been describing a practical, litigator-perspective problem. From the perspective of a fan of the First Amendment, the worse problem is that Texas and the Fifth Circuit have decided sites can't have free speech or free association any more.

/end

/21 PS: thanks to David Greene for pointing out something I forgot. The law prohibits viewpoint discrimination even based on viewpoints NOT EXPRESSED ON THE SITE. So all you have to do is say "they censored my porn because I'm a Proud Boy offline."


It's clear that the rat ****ers want to make this as painful as possible for those they oppose.

Garbage. On. Parade.


[I desperately want there to be anti-war porn.]
 
Just IP block people from Texas. The law makes sure to say that Twitter and Facebook and Google can't do that, but that's literally completely unenforceable so good luck to Abbot trying to get his pound of flesh afterward.
 
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Yeah pretty sure this just means no social media in Texas...

Texas lawmakers sure write sloppy, loose legislation. If the Supreme Court doesn't toss out this garbage, this could honestly destroy the internet.
 
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Wow, I've never had so many alerts. But I am on vacation in Kentucky. I might get back to some of you when I have time.
 
Shocker!

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the tech sector imploding and free-falling more than Tom Petty. Or the fact the Twitter top brass are all jumping ship because they know Musk will run the platform into the ground.
Let's hope he gets cold feet.
 
Just IP block people from Texas. The law makes sure to say that Twitter and Facebook and Google can't do that, but that's literally completely unenforceable so good luck to Abbot trying to get his pound of flesh afterward.
Yeah pretty sure this just means no social media in Texas...
[Meant to respond to these before but got trigger happy with the post reply button.]

Yeah, I think there's a good chance this is exactly what happens.

That's unfortunate, though, because other Republican majority states are considering this sort of statute and this country desperately needs one of these civil cause of action against protected rights statutes to land on the SCOTUS docket proper (which is to say an actual case review rather than a emergency injunction request that they can easily brush off). Obviously it doesn't necessarily mean the end of this kind of deceitful and abusive law when even a majority that deems speech-based legislation unconstitutional can apply the decision so narrowly as to allow this type of statute against other rights, but I don't see an end to this otherwise.

Republicans are going full pro-SLAPP. Honestly, it's a wonder that a state like Texas still has an anti-SLAPP statute (especially one as strong as it is), but then I suppose the effort to repeal it lacks the pathetic, grievance-based performativity that woos the ****ing worthless base.

Edit: Dammit, I did it again.

free-falling more than Tom Petty
Too soon.
 
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[Meant to respond to these before but got trigger happy with the post reply button.]

Yeah, I think there's a good chance this is exactly what happens.

That's unfortunate, though, because other Republican majority states are considering this sort of statute and this country desperately needs one of these civil cause of action against protected rights statutes to land on the SCOTUS docket proper (which is to say an actual case review rather than a emergency injunction request that they can easily brush off). Obviously it doesn't necessarily mean the end of this kind of deceitful and abusive law when even a majority that deems speech-based legislation unconstitutional can apply the decision so narrowly as to allow this type of statute against other rights, but I don't see an end to this otherwise.

Republicans are going full pro-SLAPP. Honestly, it's a wonder that a state like Texas still has an anti-SLAPP statute (especially one as strong as it is), but then I suppose the effort to repeal it lacks the pathetic, grievance-based performativity that woos the ****ing worthless base.

Edit: Dammit, I did it again.

Too soon.
We are running down a dream (sorry, nightmare).
 
I thought social media was a necessity. If I don't have Twitter, will I die?
As long as it exists and has a significant share of the population registered and active, your data's your property and they can't censor or ban you without a judge signing off on it :)

Airline industry is essential. A particular airline is not :)

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We really need a spelling checker here for typos.
 
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I mentioned in another discussion that "essential" evolves beyond life or death with human progoress.
...you seemed to not care about the continuation of something you thought was essential. Don't try to dodge the point.
 
...you seemed to not care about the continuation of something you thought was essential. Don't try to dodge the point.
I already addressed the point. Twitter, Facebook and Google products became essential because of the percentage of population using them. Should they want to continue to do business, they must agree to be regulated in some ways. Whether or not I like any of those companies is irrelevant.

Cars became essential (in some areas). Airbags became mandatory (which you would say is interfering with a private business). A particular car company goes out of business. So what?
 
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