Friedrich Nietzsche
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He has a lot of great ideas, but perhaps he took them a little too far, a little too clinical maybe? I like the scientific rationality, but its also a bit cold and pessimistic to be a true representation of how most people want life to be like.. ie more fun than Nietzsche would think! He obviously wasn't very happy when he wrote (words to the effect of).. "There is not enough love in this world for us to be giving it away to imaginary beings".
Sure, its fine as an anti-christian or anti-religious view, but to say people aren't naturally loving enough to find happiness? Surely his own love life was just not too great?
I find all philosopher's views are moulded by their own life experiences, good or bad. Nietzsche just had a crappy time most of the time! He's like Marvin the robot from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy LOL! (well not quite). He was very intelligent, just not super optimistic!
Sure, its fine as an anti-christian or anti-religious view, but to say people aren't naturally loving enough to find happiness? Surely his own love life was just not too great?
I find all philosopher's views are moulded by their own life experiences, good or bad. Nietzsche just had a crappy time most of the time! He's like Marvin the robot from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy LOL! (well not quite). He was very intelligent, just not super optimistic!
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- WFG9
I'm not a philosophical expert, as shall become apparent, but such a notion as that reminds me of Jeremy Bentham, as best I understand what his views were.
Of course, an obvious question is just how one rises above concepts of good and evil while not risking committing evil in the process and commission of acts which satisfy the self.
Bear in mind that not all would abide by notions of unlimited acceptability, or toss away moral restraints, whether as a matter of principle or because of a psychological need deeply ingrained.
Whether it is logic or religious indoctrination, the persons of which these affect are not free of the influence of internal needs; an understanding and feeling of what is wrong.
Debate what should classify as evil if you will, but would your own internal feelings not make you pause as to whether or not you are being callously indifferent toward others?
And should you be happy that you are still happy when you know what you have done?
Of course, an obvious question is just how one rises above concepts of good and evil while not risking committing evil in the process and commission of acts which satisfy the self.
Bear in mind that not all would abide by notions of unlimited acceptability, or toss away moral restraints, whether as a matter of principle or because of a psychological need deeply ingrained.
Whether it is logic or religious indoctrination, the persons of which these affect are not free of the influence of internal needs; an understanding and feeling of what is wrong.
Debate what should classify as evil if you will, but would your own internal feelings not make you pause as to whether or not you are being callously indifferent toward others?
And should you be happy that you are still happy when you know what you have done?
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You guys should read Long Hard Road Out Of Hell (it has pretty much everything), there's a lot of references to Nietzsche and the morality/philosophy of the book is similar.
Personally, I don't like the guy too much. He's way too elitist and arrogant, and would have gotten himself killed had he lived in LA or New York.
Personally, I don't like the guy too much. He's way too elitist and arrogant, and would have gotten himself killed had he lived in LA or New York.
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AphroditeAny thoughts about this philospher? I think he is the wisest person on earth, to rise above good and evil only to aim towards your absolute pleasureAWESOME!!!
Right.
So you'd kill your mom or dad just to take the car out for a run?
Or shoot your little brother because you don't like his videogames?
Or kill your cat for shedding fur all over?
Or even kill your makeup/hair stylist for not doing something right?
LoL I think you can do those things if it provides you the utmost pleasure than the suffering warranted, but that was often misconstrued by historical people themselves: Hitler (supreme race). What Nietzsche is trying to say is IGBNORE it. The real superman is not tempted to either good or evil. His free from "wanting" anything.
If someone had killed a sibling or loved one of mine, I would no doubt seek revenge because it would give me such a pleasure. However, I can rise above doing both the right and wrong, however if it gives me more pleasure to avenge then I will act on this new event as if I was tasting sushi for the first time. No room for remorse Nietzsche detests it. What would you do if someone killed your loved one or worse?
Jail would not be sufficient enough for me, in prison life is safe and predictable. You get free shelter, gym, and even HBO sounds more like a reward than most of us living out here in fear of an unpredictable future that lies ahead. Death as an avengence is a merit I would pursue for the offender.
He is not cold, what is wrong with being so individualistic as to avoid being called arrogant? You're arrogant for saying that! Everyone is already living by his standards all the time even all of you, if not all of us would fighting the love of the same person, goals, careers and dreams. Difference is what makes this life so much more beautiful!
In all sense, it would be wise not to hypocrisize the issue. Nietzsche holds a significant enough point of view, otherwise he would not have been remebered for so long after his death. He is obviously still imprinting some kind of impact on us. Rarely does mankind keep what it does not need to know in philosophical matters
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I don't know much about the guy, so understand that my comments are made only based on the little info previously posted above.
How does understanding how an action affects others reduce diversity?
"There is not enough love in this world for us to be giving it away to imaginary beings" (as quoted by james) How is that not cold? He is telling you to hold your love within ones self and not give it to others, not to reach out to others. I don't know about you or Nietzsche but I would have a real hard time living in a world filled with people like that.
I don't see any hypocracy in my post only ignorance. If I have any time I'll try and find some information on him and refine my opinions.
How does understanding how an action affects others reduce diversity?
"There is not enough love in this world for us to be giving it away to imaginary beings" (as quoted by james) How is that not cold? He is telling you to hold your love within ones self and not give it to others, not to reach out to others. I don't know about you or Nietzsche but I would have a real hard time living in a world filled with people like that.
I don't see any hypocracy in my post only ignorance. If I have any time I'll try and find some information on him and refine my opinions.
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I had a quote up that kind of summed up his feelings on religion and I kind of agree with it but I closed the box.
From what I've read he didn't condone doing evil things for the sake of personal pleasure, more that he thought that conventional moralities were binding creativity and that one should live with few regrets.
Ahh I'm going to sleep. More tomorrow (maybe)
From what I've read he didn't condone doing evil things for the sake of personal pleasure, more that he thought that conventional moralities were binding creativity and that one should live with few regrets.
Ahh I'm going to sleep. More tomorrow (maybe)
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The questions go further than what is our natural tendencies, as in what our tendencies and desires are (actions which make us most happy), but if something could reasonably be presumed to unfairly harm others. No one should expect not to ever cause harm to another person. Harm occurs frequently in competition; losers are harmed in many ways, as well as aided by the learning experience. When does one's right to achieve a goal become more important than the pain the competitor feels, and vice versa? This is not meant asa "socialistic statement, per se, but as one asking if all scenarios should be put into a competitive model where one must win, and where it must be that one because that person desires it, regardless of cost.
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I would like Aphrodite to return here and comment more. Not much female participation happens here, so it would be interesting to see the two ladies here co-defend Neitzsche.
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especially as Nietzsche had some hardcore views about women ['remember, when going to a woman, always take a whip']
personally i value quite a few things he wrote. but he also wrote loads of bollocks. unfortunately for his works, hitler distorted and used his ideas in his 'ubermensch' theory, and that kinda gave nietzsche bad fame today.
i think that i would spent many hours talking with the man if we lived in the same time and place. my views on humanity very often are similar to his. i never had a chance to read all his works, but from what i have read, i think that we could agree on many points.
personally i value quite a few things he wrote. but he also wrote loads of bollocks. unfortunately for his works, hitler distorted and used his ideas in his 'ubermensch' theory, and that kinda gave nietzsche bad fame today.
i think that i would spent many hours talking with the man if we lived in the same time and place. my views on humanity very often are similar to his. i never had a chance to read all his works, but from what i have read, i think that we could agree on many points.
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Have you lost your ever lovin' mind?!?!?!Thealosia
I ocassionally work in the Kansas State Penitenary in Lansing. (7 miles south of the Federal Pen at Leavenworth).
I have, in my limited experience on the inside, come to the inescapable conclusion that no one in the pen at Lansing wants to be there.
All the stuff you hear, or see portrayed about violence, rape, sodomy, and killing another inmate cause he didn't pay up on a gambling debt doesn't come close to what really happens in the prison.
Your schedule may prove to be somewhat predictable. But if you think you'd be "safe" you're fooling yourself.
Yeah, there is the possiblity for sexual release. But with either "Rosy" or another inmate as the only viable "partner" I think I'll take my chance in the society living on the outside of the prison walls.
I have seen the race barrier broken down in the Lansing pen. I have seen men that have finally found God in the pen.
I have also watched three inmates die (usually from cancer) in a prison infirmary bed surrounded by other inmates, rather that in the company of their families.
While two of these three men had positively touched the lives of the men who attended them while they died, I think it's sad for a person to die outside the safety and loving of their family.
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