From GT5 to FM4

[imported_phillkillv2]

I don't think you can map the buttons for gas and brake towards the analogs. You can map any other buttons to what you want though. Also you can just get a older Xbox for cheaper (A elite) and you will save some money , also the Red Ring of death won't be present too. You can pick up a 60GB hard drive for pretty cheap. That is what I'm using.

Actually just make sure that they were made after 2008 and 2009. The RROD rate dropped drastically. You can check on the back of the Xbox for a Jasper chip which is what keeps the Xbox from overheating. Here is one I found. On Craigslist

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/vgm/2881098839.html

If you don't feel comfortable with the things I told you then you can stick to what you think is best for you.

 

[t.o.]

I really appreciate all the feedback guys. Have pretty much read all the good points everyone is bringing up. Only thing that is really holding me back is letting go of a year and a half of progress in GT5.. all those cars.. money.. etc.. gone. When i start up GT5 lately the only thing im doing is cashing out in the seasonals, cycling the UCD til i find cars i want, tuning them, freerun the nordschleife til im tired of it, then power off. Pretty boring, but i like having all that stuff! I know i can just go out and buy a 360 and forza and be done with it, but all i need is 1 game system! Don't want 2. Few more questions.. Can you map the gas and brake to the right stick for FM4? That's how i got it set up in GT5.. never really liked the triggers.. just me. Also, will the 4gb slim 360 be enough for FM4 and all the DLC i want? I got a 8gb flash drive i could plug in for more space I've read. Again, thanks for all the input. Can't get this out of my head im totally 50/50 on the decision.. both games have great things that most of us would probably want in ONE PACKAGE FOR ALL CONSOLES!! ha.

Go ahead and jump in man. You only live once so give it a shot. If you don't like it then you don't like it but at least you can be one of the few who actually can form a real opinion on both games by owning both.

The 4gb 360 with the 8gb flashdrive (go to microsoft's site to make sure it's one of the approved ones just in case) should be fine but I doubt you'll be able to install both discs to that. You will but with the DLC currently available and what's coming you may soon run out of space. But the major install (Disc 2) won't be a problem at all. That's whats important anyway as you need to have Disc 1 in the tray to play anyway whether you install disc 1 to your harddrive or not. You just don't want to be swapping discs so that's why Disc 2's install is so important but that wont be an issue.

As far as that custom controller config with the sticks goes I don't think that's possible. Don't know for certain though.

 

[Ya Pops]

I'd seriously recommend dropping the stick in favour of the triggers. DS3 triggers are bloody awful for driving. So bad that I wouldn't touch the game (GT5) unless I was using a wheel.
So bad that you felt the need to put throttle/brake on an analogue stick ffs

Forza's more fun with a wheel (like any decent driving game), but due to the great triggers it's brilliant with a pad. The only people who'd argue otherwise are just too used to DS3's to see sense.

 

[am0eba]

Building up credits and cars is extremely painless and quick in FM4, so don't let the idea of starting fresh slow you down... The game is extremely fair and generous, especially if you get a Gold Xbox live membership, and check in online each day. (Big credit bonuses just for doing this, except when it's broken, but it seems to be fixed again...)

The biggest difference between FM4 and GT5 in my mind is that FM4 allows you to tailor the difficulty and rewards such that anyone can enjoy the game. If you like things easy, you can set it that way, and progress through things quickly, but if you prefer a challenge, you can set difficulty higher than GT5 and really feel like you're accomplishing something.

For reference, I was a huge GT5 fan - I printed out and posted a tag on my doorknob on GT5 release day saying "do not disturb - GT5 in progress", and I have been a GT loyalist from the very first iteration on the PS1. In fact, I purchased a new car in 1999 (Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS) based on the way the Subies handled in GT! I got a Playseat and a Logitech G25 wheel just for GT4, and then started runnning iRacing with it... iRacing was a little too serious for my taste, and I just let my renewal lapse. I was happy with GT5, warts and all, but was getting frustrated by the lack of new fun challenges.

I finally started thinking seriously about FM3 last summer, and after seeing so many good recommendations, I bit the bullet and purchased an Xbox and FM3 CE. I was so pleased with it that I took the plunge, and purchased a Fanatec cross-platform wheel (GT2). Had some problems with it, got a replacement, and the replacement worked fine on Xbox, but not at all on PC/PS3... Promised myself I would send it back for repair as soon as FM4 got a little boring, but now I don't see that happening any time soon! With the Porsche car pack coming in May, and the really fantastic online rivals mode "King Of The Track" competitions (This month's challenge: beat Juan Pablo Montoya's time around the Indianapolis Grand Prix circuit in a ZR1 Vette!), the interest level is staying very high.

Bottom-line: I do not think you will regret switching to Xbox/FM4 at all...

_Dave_

 

[ogwaffle2]

Well guys I decided to do it. Got a pretty good trade for my PS3 and games and such. Got the 250gb slim 360, FM4, season pass, rechargeable batteries, & 3 months gold XBL. Pretty excited, haven't felt any regret. Gotta go set everything up.. i'll put my gamertag up here once its all said and done. Thanks again.

 

[X-Power]

Can you map the gas and brake to the right stick for FM4?

Yes, it's one of the control schemes that you can select in the options.

Also, congratulations on purchasing a 360 and FM4. I hope you enjoy them. 👍

 

[UKMikey]

Sounds like you came to the right place for advice.

 

[saskman1950]

I have had GT5 for over a year, and I really enjoy it, main reason I bought a PS3...
Kids had and Xbox so naturally..I migrated to forza 4, which I too love, for different reasons. BUT the main concern I have lately is the corruption of files and (in a post I just started) even though I have the same file as yesterday the game wants to start me back at the beginning....
Once I get this problem sorted put I am going to post a total comparison (unbiased)

BEM

 

[imported_phillkillv2]

Congratulations !

If you would like add me at the Gamertag of Phillkillv2 , I need people to race against.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

While my general advice is, whenever possible, to keep both games/systems (because they both do offer some excellent bits), I think it's safe to say you'll really enjoy FM4. Don't get too sucked into Rivals

Add my gamertag (same as this name here), and I'll send along a car or two to help get you started on some of the events in World Tour and Rivals. Consider it a welcome to ForzaPlanet package 👍

 

[ogwaffle2]

Send both slip and Phil a request. Thanks guys

 

[doctorrg]

Well guys I decided to do it. Got a pretty good trade for my PS3 and games and such. Got the 250gb slim 360, FM4, season pass, rechargeable batteries, & 3 months gold XBL. Pretty excited, haven't felt any regret. Gotta go set everything up.. i'll put my gamertag up here once its all said and done. Thanks again.

Well, have fun with FM4 then!

I have had GT5 for over a year, and I really enjoy it, main reason I bought a PS3...
Kids had and Xbox so naturally..I migrated to forza 4, which I too love, for different reasons. BUT the main concern I have lately is the corruption of files and (in a post I just started) even though I have the same file as yesterday the game wants to start me back at the beginning....

I have to say, this too is of some concern to me. With regards to my GT5 save, a lot could happen and my game save would still be safe. I've put a great deal of effort into my FM4 game, to get where I am now, all these hours spent in the auction house to make all that money, setting up all the cars, looking for all the right tunes, for nice designs, etc., etc., etc., and I'd hate for something to happen to my save. This seems to be one major advantage of GT5, you can secure your game save.

 

[hennessey86]

In Forza 4? None.

In GT5? G27.




As I said, it was my opinion, don't bash on me for that.
We are all different.

so basically your opinion on anything to with forzas physics means nothing

 

[doctorrg]

so basically your opinion on anything to with forzas physics means nothing

Hasn't that already been addressed in detail?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Yes, yes it has.

Send both slip and Phil a request. Thanks guys

No problemo - I've sent off two cars suited to Rivals mode (a D350 NA Miata, and a B500 Elise), and one car to make your transition from the GT series a more familiar one

 

[stevetam]

Erm... Locking those values and using a static tyre model would make that part of the tyre model entirely pointless. The reason to simulate tyre pressure and temperature in the first place is because they're constantly changing and, thus, affecting the car's behaviour.

If you just lock them to a single value each, they're not going to change, ever; the car will always behave the same, whether it's in the first lap with cold tyres or in the sixth with hot tyres.

Also, what would you want to simulate? If there's tyre pressure and temperature, you have to have an engine that changes those variables dependinc on the inputs it gets. I doubt that anyone would implement an engine capable of doing all of those calculations and then just lock the variables to a single value each. Well, unless the tyre model didn't work at all and this was the easiest fix they came up with.

Let me put it this way:
PD's model: 2+2=4. It's never going to deviate from that.
T10's model: (If friction = high, then tyre temperature +1 per minute) + (if friction = high then tyre pressure +1 per minute) = X

Just a very basic 'sketch' of what I'm trying to say. Locking the tyre model means that it isn't influenced by anything, anyways - so, if your result is and always will be for, why perform complicated calculations to get there? And if all of that was in place, I'd go Chackie Chan on PD for locking the variables, really

That's essentially saying there is NO tire model.

I don't know; but even for PD it sounds like a bit of a stretch.

 

[ogwaffle2]

OK so coming from GT5 here are my first thoughts about FM4. Only have played about 2 hours or so, just cleared the clubman series.

1. AI is much more aggressive than GT. I've noticed GT AI tend to drive very conservatively along the suggested line. GT AI also seem to make very little mistakes and don't risk their line for an overtake. FM4 AI want to be in first! Had guys pushing me into the corners trying to overtake, etc. Even saw a guy take a corner too fast and understeer right into the grass by his own mistake! Hard to say what i like better, but FM4 has some very competitive AI.

2. Money and EXP. The bonus you get for turning off aids is really nice. Also the bonuses for certain feats on the track are cool too. The affinity levels are pretty awesome too, i been using the Ford Ka through most of the events so far and i reached 100% discount for ford tuning parts which i thought was awesome. The cars you can choose for leveling and racing is good too, i find myself with a bunch of cars already.

3. Damage. Not just cosmetic, but proper vehicle damage. Was surprised when I rear ended a guy rear hard and practically destroyed the engine lol. Much more interesting than GT5 damage model. Gives me more of a reason to race clean as well because you gotta pay for all that.

4. Sound. FM4 just sounds better.

So far its real fun. Hard to say whats better, but I'm definitely gonna have more fun with this than GT5 for now. There are great things to be said about both games. Still love some things about GT, but seriously had my fill of it.

 

[UKMikey]

I don't know

These guys might:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=160821

 

[young___nate]

If your expecting Forza to fill in all the holes that Gt5 is leaving, you will be dissapointed. I did what your talking about and moved over to Forza only to shelf it waiting on the Title Update, which I don't think is happening any more, or at least anytime soon. Forza has it's pluses and so does GT5. Both are busted when it comes to online. Both have limeted offline offerings that are not complete. I put down both and am playing something else now. But I am still holding out for updates and or a new IP address when I move. Maybe one or both of them will work then. Important to note that these two Games are the only ones I get discod from. So don't expect the online component to improve with Forza.

 

[VXR]

Limited offline offerings in Forza? So I take it you don't paint, shoot photos, tune or race at all, then? I hardly ever go online in FM4 and yet I've poured over 100 hours into it...

 

[C_Raccoon23]

If your expecting Forza to fill in all the holes that Gt5 is leaving, you will be dissapointed. I did what your talking about and moved over to Forza only to shelf it waiting on the Title Update, which I don't think is happening any more, or at least anytime soon. Forza has it's pluses and so does GT5. Both are busted when it comes to online. Both have limeted offline offerings that are not complete. I put down both and am playing something else now. But I am still holding out for updates and or a new IP address when I move. Maybe one or both of them will work then. Important to note that these two Games are the only ones I get discod from. So don't expect the online component to improve with Forza.

How is Forza 4's offline incomplete?

 

[stevetam]

I think he means online offerings. In the context he mentions updates and IP address; he would definitely have a better argument if he said online experience.

 

[Wolfe]

Well, apart from the cars/tracks/customization, FM4's singleplayer content isn't the greatest. Without an XBL Gold subscription you can't customize a race against AI, even the number of laps. World Tour is pointless and monotonous, and the Event List recycles the same few tracks endlessly, not to mention throwing desperately short races at you (that cultivate horrible driving manners in the online player populace).

I've recently become addicted to taking photos, though, and I've spent about as much time dinking around in the garage as I have on the track. Money might as well be removed from the game, because you can tune and paint absolutely anything once you start racking up the level bonuses (which will last a looong time with the upcoming title update). The Forza series has always been the best for customization and tuning. I'm just glad that for the first time (personally), the cars are actually fun to drive too.

Welcome to ForzaPlanet, TriumphTT900.

 

[Luminis]

That's essentially saying there is NO tire model.

I don't know; but even for PD it sounds like a bit of a stretch.

That is exactly what the testing has been indicating, though. UKMikey posted the coresponding link already and I'd suggest that you read it for a bit before continuing this debate.

I mean no offense, but I guess you'll understand the point I'm trying to make a bit better, then. Also, I wouldn't consider it a stretch for PD. I am under the impression that, for PD, eye candy is of the highest priority, with car count being a close second. It seems that they care the most about pretty screenshots and bullet points.

Just my personal impression, though.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Well, apart from the cars/tracks/customization, FM4's singleplayer content isn't the greatest. Without an XBL Gold subscription you can't customize a race against AI, even the number of laps. Season Play is pointless and monotonous, and the Event List recycles the same few tracks endlessly, not to mention throwing desperately short races at you (that cultivate horrible driving manners in the online player populace).

I've recently become addicted to taking photos, though, and I've spent about as much time dinking around in the garage as I have on the track. Money might as well be removed from the game, because you can tune and paint absolutely anything once you start racking up the level bonuses (which will last a looong time with the upcoming title update). The Forza series has always been the best for customization and tuning. I'm just glad that for the first time (personally), the cars are actually fun to drive too.

Welcome to ForzaPlanet, TriumphTT900.

By Season Play, do you mean World Tour? Because IMO it's more fun than FM3's career where you're forced to pick an event and can't do anything else until it was finished. At least in Forza 4 you can do something different after each race, which makes quite a difference for me.

 

[Wolfe]

By Season Play, do you mean World Tour? Because IMO it's more fun than FM3's career where you're forced to pick an event and can't do anything else until it was finished. At least in Forza 4 you can do something different after each race, which makes quite a difference for me.

Whoops, that's right, World Tour. Goes to show how recently I've played it.

What I didn't like about it is that it implies you're working on Event List races while advancing your career...but a lot of the time you aren't actually completing anything. Even if you do twelve "Sedan Open" races in World Tour, you might still have to complete the whole "Sedan Open" series in Event List. The issue arises when the preselected track isn't in the corresponding series in Event List (eg. Suzuka West instead of Suzuka East). It's essentially fluff gameplay with achievements for a carrot. Not saying I didn't bite, but finishing the whole thing was unsatisfying.

Another problem is the AI is dumbed down all the way to the end, making the whole process a long, boring slog. Other than the achievements, there's little value in it, unless you're terribly indecisive about where you want to race.

Event List is the true career mode. The AI on "professional" are much more challenging, too.

 

[Kaaosherra]

Just a quick 2 cents.

I bought my Xbox 360 while waiting for GT5, and was ultimately disappointed with FM3, my entry into the series. Everything else was fine, except for the most important thing, the driving feel.

Loved GT5, but I've done as much as I can in it. I'm so used to the GT5 feel that the game is a bit dull now, so I tried the FM4 demo.

To my great delight, they have done something to the drive, maybe the tire model, maybe just given a bit more grip overall to all cars. FM4 is a great drive, much better than FM3. I'm really loving FM4 now. Maybe even more than turismo, since all the other stuff around the core drive is better in Forza.

I raced with a controller, but the LMP cars in the FM series are hyper sensitive to steer, so I bought the Wireless wheel. I got it for under 40 euros and it really works. LMP are now the best cars to drive in FM4, not the worst.

 

[hennessey86]

add me im always up for a race and I run a weekly series that you can find through my profile

 

[Spagetti69]

Edit nevermind.

 

[Niop]

I recommend getting both games if possible, otherwise just stick with what you have. It's not worth switching from one to the other if you have to fork out any cash. Both of these games are great, but they also both have major flaws.