G27 incoming

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Please oh please if there is a racing wheel god let this be true and have compatibility with the pc\xbox360\ps3

Very interesting news, thanks Amar!
 
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Noticed this the night it appeared, however the G27 has since been removed from the original listing.

It was however only listed for PC and PS3
Therefore for all the hopefulls that keep going on about a G25 driver nonsense for X360 it looks like they can keep dreaming as Fanatec Turbo S will be the only rival option. Logitech just dont support the X360, last i looked they only did a microphone.

I suppose TGS could be a possibility, if the wheels listed for games arriving in October then chances are it will be out around then too?

For those in the UK i seen Dabs were doing the G25 for approx £128 inc VAT or you can pay upto £279 for the same thing on certain racing frame websites.
 
Cheers man thats an amazing price...
Further proof then that Logitech are doing a bit of a clearout with serious discounting?
 
Racer XO
Please oh please if there is a racing wheel god let this be true and have comparability with the pc\xbox360\ps3

Very interesting news, thanks Amar!
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According to Logitech and everything I have read, there will not be a wheel that supports all three platforms.

Chris_P at Logitech Forums
First, at this point in time, Logitech is not licensed by Microsoft to develop a force feedback steering wheel for Xbox 360 - only corded controllers. The DriveFX wheel is, effectively, an Xbox 360 controller that is shaped like a steering wheel and has a force feedback motor in place of the standard vibration motors.

Second, even if Logitech were licensed to make a force feedback wheel for Xbox 360, there are significant technical limitations which prevent these wheels from functioning on on Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 features controller and force feedback architectures (XID, device-based force feedback playback) that are significantly different from the way our wheels work on PC, PS2, or PS3 (HID, host-based force feedback playback). It is not possible to enable Xbox 360 functionality with a software or firmware update.

Logitech understands that our customers wish to use our steering wheels on multiple gaming platforms. We have made significant efforts to ensure that our PC wheel drivers support our PS2 wheels, and our PS2 force feedback SDK supports our PC wheels. PS3 games that support Logitech force feedback also support the same list of wheels. At this point in time, these are the only three platforms with which it is possible to have a single force feedback wheel be compatible. Were it possible to effect a firmware or software change to enable Xbox 360 compatibility with our existing wheels, we would do so. Unfortunately, however, until Logitech is licensed by Microsoft to design and manufacture force feedback wheels, no Logitech force feedback wheels will function on Xbox 360.
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It would be nice though, and maybe there will be Microsoft licensees and hardware support by the wheel. Will have to wait and see.
 
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Won´t happen... Microsoft chose Fanatec to deal with. Apparently licensing costs are quite steep if you compare the GT 3 RS and Turbo S prices. G25 may actually be to cheap for Microsoft. May feel like it compete to much against their own MS FFB wheel I suspect.

the limited numbers of Fanatec wheels doesn´t hurt them because the MS FFB wheel buyers would never buy that one anyway. It just gets more to get Forza 3 instead of GT 5 which does have much better wheel support :)
 
geordie
This company are selling the G25 for £124 including vat.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GC-016-LG&groupid=702&catid=288&subcat=353
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How reliable is this site? I've never heard of it before. (I'm sure it is perfectly reliable, I just prefer to be safe rather than sorry).

I've been searching around ebay for ages with no luck for a cheapish G25 wheel, if this deal is true, then my day is officially made:dopey:

PS: There's no Postage and Packaging costs listed, does that mean it's free?
 
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Wow, thanks, you made my day evening, both of you (amar and Jordan). This is great news.



Hey, Delphic Reason! It seems that our hypothetical G27 isn't so hypothetical anymore.
 
I'm very aware of Logitech's position concerning MS wheels I was just wishing this wheel would be compatible, however I can't wait to hear about the improvements logitech made to the G27. I need one wheel considering my G25 is hard mounted in my cockpit and swapping to another wheel when I wanna race on my 360 is out of the question.
 
Jordan
Just to add to the info about the new wheel, Amar, I can personally confirm that these "leaked" shots are in fact of the G27.
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If so then GT3RS and Turbo S look to still be the better products particulary with the CS Pedals.

Logitech should consider selling the G27 wheel seperate if this is indeed it as many buyers of G25 might like to update the wheel but not want to buy new almost the same (unless these are improved and feel different) pedals and gear changer.
 
i was hoping there would of been a seperate handbrake that came with the bundle but unfortunatily i dont see any proof of that happening. the small improvements (if you can call them that) is not enough to make me purchase this over the g25 of course if its the same price of the g25 i will purchase the g27 but i bet there will be a price drop on the
g25. soo whats the better value? a slightly improved logitech g25 for 350$ or the g25 for 150$?

however i heard those screen shots are from a year ago i can still hope and pray that there will be a seperate handbrake included with the bundle if so then its a instant buy no matter how much the cost. i will keep my fingers crossed......
 
Mr Latte
If so then GT3RS and Turbo S look to still be the better products particulary with the CS Pedals.
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I agree and because of the compatibility I'm leaning towards this option

Logitech should consider selling the G27 wheel seperate if this is indeed it as many buyers of G25 might like to update the wheel but not want to buy new almost the same (unless these are improved and feel different) pedals and gear changer.
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I would think that logitech considered this when designing the G27 knowing that the masses were complaining about the weak shifter on the G25, but it has been their business policy that they do not sell individual components of their wheels, I guess we will see once concrete info from logitech is released.
 
Mr Latte
If so then GT3RS and Turbo S look to still be the better products particulary with the CS Pedals.

Logitech should consider selling the G27 wheel seperate if this is indeed it as many buyers of G25 might like to update the wheel but not want to buy new almost the same (unless these are improved and feel different) pedals and gear changer.
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I almost hate to say it, but I agree. The G27 pics look a bit naff to be honest. Not much of a difference from the G25. The pedals look the same (although I'm sure there have been changes). With so many great pedal choices out there, it would be nice to be able to separate the wheel/pedals like the packages Fanatec offers.

Hey, Delphic Reason! It seems that our hypothetical G27 isn't so hypothetical anymore.
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It does look that way, although it doesn't look like much.

However, the G25 looked a bit like an after school project, so we'll have to wait and see. If they added a belt drive, stronger force feedback, and added some more resistance to the shifter, they might be in with a winner. Should be interesting to see how much they plan to sell it for.



;)
 
Are we sure that actually is the G27 wheel & not just some doctored photos of the G25? The leather wrap on the wheel looks slightly different, there are, of course, more buttons, the center insert looks a little different. Is it possible that the wheel is a little wider in diameter &/or thicker? Hard to tell.

To me, it doesn't look quite as nice as the G25. As I've just set up my Fanatec GT3 RS wheel (sort of) on my Playseat Evo (more on that later in another thread), I have to say, that IMO the G25 looks better: it's just a beautiful piece of industrial design - minimal, functional - aggressive & elegant at the same time.
 
Biggles
Are we sure that actually is the G27 wheel & not just some doctored photos of the G25? The leather wrap on the wheel looks slightly different, there are, of course, more buttons, the center insert looks a little different. Is it possible that the wheel is a little wider in diameter &/or thicker? Hard to tell.
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Unless they've made significant recent changes, this is it. The photos on the white background may have been "doctored" - I don't know where they originally came from. However, they do accurately resemble the wheel and shifter that I saw.
 
Yes G25 does look great... Minimal set of buttons to destroy the visuals and clean look. Though looks doesn´t really matter while you race at all so it´s not a selling point. Gear that performs is the one you want to live with :)

Hopefully there is more updates inside the wheel and pedals as well. Pedals are quite good but would be great with more configurable brake at least. And as for wheel belt driven or another gear driven solution that doesn´t feel like a gear driven solution

As for more buttons isn´t 6 buttons still a bit low for PS 3 racing? That is just start select, and the 4 main buttons. There is tons of shift lights available for the G25 already and if you tape the grip you get the thicker grip as well. So hopefully Logitech have more tricks out their sleeve
 
For me there is no reason to buy this wheel if 360 is not also supported. I will buy fanatec when i know they actually can deliver the wheel and GT5 or Forza 3 is out. G25 is great product and so will be G27 but i want only one wheel to work with both consoles.
 
I'm not all that thrilled to bo honest, I was hoping G27 would look a lot beefier and therefore be a lot stronger, but I see what seems to be the same pedals, similar shifter, and a wheel with more things on it to break (i.e. the lights). I hope you can turn the lights off, I'd find it quite annoying, how would it even know when to light up? I use in-game shift lights quite heavily if they're prominent (e.g. Art Morrison's shift lights on the steering wheel depict a good point to shift most of the time), but not really looking for one on my G27. As Jordan said though, it's subject to change before production.👍
 
Raitziger
For me there is no reason to buy this wheel if 360 is not also supported. I will buy fanatec when i know they actually can deliver the wheel and GT5 or Forza 3 is out. G25 is great product and so will be G27 but i want only one wheel to work with both consoles.
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Now if youd of ordered a Turbo S earlier you would also now be getting a free FM3 game, which Thomas announced at E3 because fo the delay.

Fanatec quality is perhaps questionable in their service, not so much in their products. Besides that if Forza 3 is a main reason for purchasing then you know this is the wheel to get as its fully supported and developed for, including 900 degrees, clutch and I have a sneeking feeling FM3 might add the new "vibrating/locking brakes" feature of the CS Pedals which if they do manage will be a first for a console.
 
Mr Latte
Fanatec quality is perhaps questionable in their service, not so much in their products. Besides that if Forza 3 is a main reason for purchasing then you know this is the wheel to get as its fully supported and developed for
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Gran turismo has allways been the main thing for me to own a wheel but as i like racing games i see no reason not to play forza. Fanatec turbo s also supports PS3 officially so there should be no problems with GT5. However if G27 had forza 3 support i would likely buy logitech product over fanatac until fanatec gets quality problems and support network sorted.
 
A bloke could be mistaken for thinking, the G27 may be an official wheel for GT5.

"Leaking" pics early, could give much wanted feedback, without having to make any release date promises.
 
The wheel looks quite similar to the G25 in my opinion, and not much looks that different, apart from a few extra features they put on the wheel. Consequently, I don't think it would improve your laps by a noticeable amount. However, I don't know that much about the wheel at the moment though, and it may improve more in the future. :P
 
I don´t think Logitech want to piss off their DFP GT customers as for official wheel for GT 5. Six button seem to indicate it´s still primarily a PC wheel :)

As for how the shift lights would work well every racing game that supports telemetry there isn´t to much work. As long as they get the game developers to cooperate of course :P.

As for the vibration motor on the brake I still see no use for it. Just to weak and the little I run with it with rFactor it doesn´t feel anything like ABS braking at all. would love to try Frexs vibebrake solution :)

Might add that the forza 3 offer was just until 10th june so you can just as well wait if you calculate it will still be available.
 
Raitziger
Gran turismo has allways been the main thing for me to own a wheel but as i like racing games i see no reason not to play forza. Fanatec turbo s also supports PS3 officially so there should be no problems with GT5. However if G27 had forza 3 support i would likely buy logitech product over fanatac until fanatec gets quality problems and support network sorted.
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Id aggree with you in having more confidence in the Logitech brand, but at the same time Fanatec have done a great job on the products and the Turbo S is officially now the "wheel of choice by Turn 10" and as you say PS3 compatible, so it ticks all your boxes. Customer service and having to pre order for months is the problems with Fanatec though.

Look on Logitechs website for X360 hardware, the old wheel was discontinued long ago and i believe they still only do a microphone, thats it.
Seems clear from this that Microsoft and Logitech arnt the best business partners.
 
Mr Latte
... and I have a sneeking feeling FM3 might add the new "vibrating/locking brakes" feature of the CS Pedals which if they do manage will be a first for a console.
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Maybe not. This is what Thomas said:
Fanatec...
The brake vibration is not supported on GT5:P at the moment and it is unclear if it will be but we have a direct contact to Polyphony and they are evaluating it now.
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So maybe GT5 will support this feature.

Link to the post of Fanatec: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3308487&postcount=49

The biggest advantage over the Fanatec wheels is the shifter. The G25 has a combined shifter => sequential, H-pattern. Just turn a switch and you can have sequential/H-pattern. You don't need 2 shifters like the Fanatec wheels.
 
But both the H-shifter and the sequential shifter on the G25 sucks IMO... (to tired to be diplomatic) so how does that help :) The sequential just doesn´t work. Press down on it just a little and it refuses to shift gears. Happened all the time for me. And there is like 0 resistance on any of them.

The only pro is the mounting of the G25 shifter give you much more freedom and a more solid mount as well.

For me the shifter was the weakest link on the G25. Pedals being it´s biggest strength.
 

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