G35 vs Skyline GT-R what is diff

The current Skyline which is badged in the US the Infiniti G35 has nothing to do with the R30-R34's that have all come and gone. Nissan has taken the Skyline badge and is using that on a these executive coupe, saloon and estates. The old Sklyines will have a sucessor though in the form of the Nissan GT-R, thats all they will call it (by production in 2007 the R35 badge might have snook back though) but the current concepts should not be sen as how the final car will be. Expect increased power of 400+Bhp though.
 
Heheheh. I get used to it. It's the same thing on the mustang forum Im apart of. Some newb shows up with those old GTR concept pics (go to the car news GTR thread to see) thinking that its gonna be all new and badass. The easiest way to let down is plain and simple. There is no new GTR. It does not exist. The difference between the G35 and new GTR is...one exists. The other doesnt.
 
Exactley, Nissan has even said that the GT-R when it does arrive in 2007 will not be like the GT-R concepts built over the last couple of years. The gap between now and then is too large a gap for them to start saying the car will be like this, it could be a hybbrid car for all we know. So the GT-R concepts (as ShobThaBob said) are not the new Nissan GT-R.
 
Don't forget too lads that Carlos Ghosn isn't the be-all and end-all of the new GT-R equasion... there is a huge "GT-R support group" here in Japan (namely GTROC and the Japanese Heads at Nissan) who won't let Renault have their way... no matter what... with the new GT-R. So yeah, that concept GT-R was just a one off teaser done in 2001 to drum up (or guage) interest, thats all.
 
One of the thing most kiddies seem to not understand is that the "GT-R" is only one trim model of the Skyline, it always has been. The regular Skyline is actually a luxury car, sold mostly as a sedan.

The recent GT-Rs were of the R31, R32, R33, and R34 generations of Skylines. However after the R34 generation of Skylines, Nissan decided that they would split the GT-R trim away into its own call, called simply the "Nissan GT-R", and the Skyline would continue on it's own as a luxury car. Because of these, the chassis codes were split into seperate units. The Skyline would change from "R" series to "V" series, and become the V35. The new Nissan GT-R will continue on as "R" series however, and become R35.

Now, the V35 Skyline sold in Japan is currently sold in America as the Infiniti G35, with the only differences mainly being the engines available and the badges on it.
 
I don't have a direct source, but that has always been the belief that the GT-R will be R35. I think that sources inside Nissan have said that R35 is the internal company code that they refer to teh car as.

The mere fact that the V35/R35 and G35 all have "35" is coincidence. The 35 from the V/R is just a continuation of the digits for each generation. The 35 from the G is an indication of engine size, 3.5L. The previous version of the Infiniti G series was G20, a 2.0L I4.
 
Originally posted by The359
I don't have a direct source, but that has always been the belief that the GT-R will be R35. I think that sources inside Nissan have said that R35 is the internal company code that they refer to teh car as.

The mere fact that the V35/R35 and G35 all have "35" is coincidence. The 35 from the V/R is just a continuation of the digits for each generation. The 35 from the G is an indication of engine size, 3.5L. The previous version of the Infiniti G series was G20, a 2.0L I4.
I'm not discrediting anything you've posted, but there hasn't been anything in the Japanese press stating chassis designations or the like for the new GT-R.

Alot of speculation arises from English language forums, which in turn get their ideas from hastily translated Japanese magazine articles (and alot of guessing).

I've posted this before on SAU, that the 2007 GT-R probably won't even be a xx35, seeing as by 2007 the V35 Skyline will be ready for replacement. But thats assuming the new GT-R is based on the V35 platform... which it will... going by the Fairlady Z (350Z) and V35 Skyline sharing the same platform already.

But thats my "guess"... my Japanese Auto industry contacts seem to think that too.

I'm not fussed either way, I just hope Renault doesn't hurt the new GT-R development too much more...
 
He's pretty much right, the V35 is not a Skyline in the same way as the R32,33 and R34's all were, but the R35 GT-R will be.
 
Originally posted by Rezz


I'm not fussed either way, I just hope Renault doesn't hurt the new GT-R development too much more...

Rez, why do you believe that Renault would hurt the new GT-R development?

Just curious 'cos I used to work for them in the UK and France.
 
Originally posted by live4speed
He's pretty much right, the V35 is not a Skyline in the same way as the R32,33 and R34's all were, but the R35 GT-R will be.

How is it not a skyline? The next GTR will NOT be a skyline. All of you people are noobs. Burn in the noobhell of ignorance.
 
The V35 is just like every other Skyline to come before. Like I said, the Skyline is meant as a luxury sedan. The GT-R versions of the R32, R33, R34 are just a high performance versions of that luxury sedan turned into a sports coupe.
 
Originally posted by Scaff
Rez, why do you believe that Renault would hurt the new GT-R development?

Just curious 'cos I used to work for them in the UK and France.
Out of the 18 most important decisions to be made at Nissan, the 3 biggest ones are made by Nissan and the rest are made by Renault. I realize alot of that has to do with cost-cutting, but the "subtle" backlash here in Japan about the current V35 Skyline can be solely attributed to Renaults involvement.

Carlos Ghosn is praised as a magical type Nissan saviour by Japanese NON-car enthusiasts, yet the styling and luxury emphasis of the current V35 is severly put down by Japanese car enthusiasts... almost like they're blaming Renault.

It's been said that Ghosn put too much pressure on Nissan R+D to concentrate on the Murano and Teanna etc while putting the GT-R on the backburner till '07. Nissan enthusiasts might think thats just not on, but then again, we're assured that when the GT-R is released, it'll be perfect.

So when I say Renault is "hurting" the GT-R development, it's not necessarily in the design, but more scheduling and, dare I say, the apparent European feel thats going to be incorporated into it... and Ghosns name stuck on the back somewhere!
 
Originally posted by The359
The V35 is just like every other Skyline to come before. Like I said, the Skyline is meant as a luxury sedan. The GT-R versions of the R32, R33, R34 are just a high performance versions of that luxury sedan turned into a sports coupe.

i can tell you the R32,R33 and R34 (non GTR) are not luxury sedans, they are still performance sport coupes but not as tuned as there GTR brother
 
There were Skyline sedans as well. And yes, they had some performance, but they were still considered luxury cars. Just like the current Skyline, which has performance similar to the Fairlady Z, but more luxury.
 
Originally posted by Rezz
Out of the 18 most important decisions to be made at Nissan, the 3 biggest ones are made by Nissan and the rest are made by Renault. I realize alot of that has to do with cost-cutting, but the "subtle" backlash here in Japan about the current V35 Skyline can be solely attributed to Renaults involvement.

Carlos Ghosn is praised as a magical type Nissan saviour by Japanese NON-car enthusiasts, yet the styling and luxury emphasis of the current V35 is severly put down by Japanese car enthusiasts... almost like they're blaming Renault.

It's been said that Ghosn put too much pressure on Nissan R+D to concentrate on the Murano and Teanna etc while putting the GT-R on the backburner till '07. Nissan enthusiasts might think thats just not on, but then again, we're assured that when the GT-R is released, it'll be perfect.

So when I say Renault is "hurting" the GT-R development, it's not necessarily in the design, but more scheduling and, dare I say, the apparent European feel thats going to be incorporated into it... and Ghosns name stuck on the back somewhere!

I can more than understand those feeling Rezz.

What a lot of people forget is that without the Renault involvment Nissan may have folded; with no Nissan, the GT-R would be dead and buried.

I can more than understand (and share) the frustration in the delay of a new GT-R. However the company had to be put back on a sound footing, which means lots of boring but financially rewarding models, and build the brand back up in the States and Europe. Without this taking place the money to do justice to a new GT-R would not be in place.

WIth regard to undue Renault presure on the look and feel of a new model are of course a concern, but the two companies have always wanted the two brands to be seperate.

Given Renault's passion for building and selling niche performance cars, I personally have no major concerns for a new GT-R. Any company that lets its motorsport division build and sell a 3.0 V6 mid-engined city car, has no truck with letting marketing folk get too near halo models.

I still keep in touch with some of the people I used to work with in Renault, any news and I let you all know ASAP

Edited to add the following link that may help to re-assure, details a very mad concept by Nissan GB, how about a sub 5 second 0-60 Micra!

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=7423
 
Originally posted by Rezz
Thats my point... where or who said it's going to be an "R"35 Skyline?
No one, I called it that to try and get people to see the difference between what Nissan plan for the next GT-R and how the current Skylines are not the succesors to the R34. The only name given so far is the Nissan GT-R.
 
Ok, so how is the current skyline not a successor to the previous skyline? Simply because the top model GTR is not offered? Thats pretty stupid.
 
It's not based on the old car at all, and becauuse Nissan has said so. I've already said this but for you, I'll say it again, Nissan announced before the current Skyling (G35) was even showen that the succesor to the R34 would not arrive until after 2005. When the Skyline turned up last year Nissan announced the Skyline badge was no longer going to be used on it's flagship performance car, instead the successor to the R34 will simpley be called the Nissan GT-R, and not too long ago they announced that it wouldn't be here until 2007 at the earliest. Finaly, remeber the two GT-R concepts, do you think that if the current Skyline was the R34's successor that Nissan would show the next one along, before that had even been in the showrooms.
 
Just because the Skyline is no longer Nissan's performance icon does not mean that it's not the car's successor. The new mustang shares almost NOTHING with the current car except the name, but it's still a successor. In Japan, it's a Skyline. Nissan's performance icon will be the GTR. NOT a Skyline GTR. Get your terms right. G35 = Skyline.
 
Originally posted by The359
There were Skyline sedans as well. And yes, they had some performance, but they were still considered luxury cars. Just like the current Skyline, which has performance similar to the Fairlady Z, but more luxury.

my mate has a R32 4 door, and it is just a 4door version of the coupe, no extra luxurys
 
Originally posted by live4speed
It's not based on the old car at all, and becauuse Nissan has said so. I've already said this but for you, I'll say it again, Nissan announced before the current Skyling (G35) was even showen that the succesor to the R34 would not arrive until after 2005. When the Skyline turned up last year Nissan announced the Skyline badge was no longer going to be used on it's flagship performance car, instead the successor to the R34 will simpley be called the Nissan GT-R, and not too long ago they announced that it wouldn't be here until 2007 at the earliest. Finaly, remeber the two GT-R concepts, do you think that if the current Skyline was the R34's successor that Nissan would show the next one along, before that had even been in the showrooms.

the V35 skyline is the successor to the R34 skyline (im not talking about GTR), and yes the Skyline will no longer be a GTR
 
Is it just me or is there some confusion about the V35 Skyline and what it is???

Ok, once and for all (and don't worry guys, I'm not going for extra brownie points here, I just want to give the *Japanese* perspective, thats all):

Heres some history for all you guys who have trouble figuring out Nissans model development...

Lets go way back to September 1972, when the C10 Skyline changed over to the C110 (Ken-meri). The C10 2000GT-R had made a huge impact on circuit racing in Japan, and the successor to the C10 had to be something good. Now, can you imagine what people thought when Nissan released this (C10):
gc10-3.jpg


...then this (C110):
kpgc110.jpg


The styling alone had people stratching their heads at the time (so my Japanese father-in-law tells me), but the C110 turned out to be a legendary car all the same.

Now notice the 5th generation C210 Skyline:
The "GT" models had the 4 round tail lights...
gc211-5.jpg


...while the "TI" (or low-spec models) didn't...
c211-2.jpg


...and this method of model separation *more or less, to certain degrees* (not only tail lights - in fact the R34 family ALL had round tail lights) continued right down through the R30, 31, 32, 33, and V35 Skyline ranges. Now also notice the change from the "C" series Skylines to the "R" series Skylines?
Here are some pics:
"C"210:
c211-1.jpg

...which changed to the "R"30:
dr30s-5.jpg

The R30 looks pretty modern compared to the C210 doesn't it? But the point here is that the Skyline has always been a sporty model line.

**The fact that the Infiniti G35 is marketed as a luxury model in the US doesn't mean anything.** Thats the way Nissan thought it could sell the most G35s... so be it.

I bet some of you guys have never even seen the advertising campaigns on Japanese TV for the V35 Skyline have you? Well , the catch phrase was "PREMIUM SPORTS". THATS the way the V35 Skyline (or G35 for all you US residents ) is marketed in JAPAN... the HOME MARKET.

The Skyline is, and always has been a sports orientated line. The V35 (or G35 for you US residents ;)) has not changed in this regard. I think maybe some of you guys who are continuing rumours and heresay should do a bit of homework... in Japan.

I'm just wondering, how many Skylines were sold in the US prior to the Infiniti G35?? None? Okay then...

/Rezz
 
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