[Gauging Interest]: Integra RM Series

[SohnVonStig]

Right now I'm really leaning towards Racing Hards, or maybe even Mediums, provided we just stick to using one compound a race. It is technically a race car, and I'm a race car = race tires guy. If we were running non RM cars, then Sports Tires would already have been a lock.

As for tracks, I want a good combination of big tracks, small tracks, fast tracks and technical tracks. Since I'm thinking of a 5 or 6 race season, and looking at what you guys are saying, this is what I propose:

Daytona Road Course

Tsukuba, as you guys seem to like it.

Le Sarthe, time progression set so it turns to night, then back into day. Keep it sunny throughout.

Suzuka, starting in the dry, but turning wet.

Deep Forest

Then maybe either Laguna Seca, Indy Road course, Nurburgring GP/24h, or a street circuit, as much as what I don't like those.

Personally I'd prefer Indy road in place of Daytona road, but thats just because turn 1 and I don't get along on daytona....Also, I definitely think we should do laguna seca - the corkscrew is freaking awesome in a FWD car (and not many things are )

 

[Müle]

Yeah, Daytona turn 1 is definitely tricky, but that's what so great about it 👍

 

[BlackIce90]

Have you looked at my list Mule, it has the mix you want.

 

[Wardez]

This all sounds good to me Mule. I know you're more than capable of running an awesome series so it'll be fun to run with a different group of guys whenever you decide to start.

I think FF racing is one of the funner disciplines to race in, really forgiving and easy to pick up. 👍

 

[GTsach]

Didn't you register for the IS-F RM series also? Funny how you haven't shown up for a race yet. 👎

Yea I'll be in this one for sure! I could not not make the IS-F race

 

[Jav]

Didn't you register for the IS-F RM series also? Funny how you haven't shown up for a race yet. 👎

I've raced with Sach22 on the ITCC and the 3 Liter Championship and can say he's a very good racer and he never missed a race on the touring car series. He actually came in a close second place on that series.

 

[Müle]

Have you looked at my list Mule, it has the mix you want.

I've looked at everyones suggestions. Yours was actually the one that tipped the scales for me to include Tsukuba.

This all sounds good to me Mule. I know you're more than capable of running an awesome series so it'll be fun to run with a different group of guys whenever you decide to start.

I think FF racing is one of the funner disciplines to race in, really forgiving and easy to pick up. 👍

Well, that's always nice to hear from someone like you.

Yea I'll be in this one for sure! I could not not make the IS-F race

I've raced with Sach22 on the ITCC and the 3 Liter Championship and can say he's a very good racer and he never missed a race on the touring car series. He actually came in a close second place on that series.

...as is this.

As for starting, There are still a couple of rules I need to get hammered down, but realisticly, I could make a sign-up thread really soon. Though I still think we should wait until Spec Flyin' Miata gets underway before we start this.

 

[Johnnypenso]

We want to keep the cars as even as possible so that all race results are based off driver skill level rather then car performance. Mandatory pit stops make the race a bit more interesting so you will need to have a pit strategy like any real race, as well as the fact that tires do wear out pretty fast so no matter what, in a 1 hour race you will need to pit at least once.

Maybe I'm missing something, but if you limit hp to the point where you don't need a turbo and weight so you don't have to do the weight reductions mods, how does that not make it even for everyone? Surely everyone can afford transmissions and LSD's and other stuff. My biggest thing is there is no way to police what mod's anyone has used as far as I know, so why not just open it up and then everyone is the same? BTW I'm not being argumentative I just don't get it...lol.

 

[Johnnypenso]

And...if the tires are going to wear out anyway why do you need mandatory pit stops?

 

[Ruta]

Maybe I'm missing something, but if you limit hp to the point where you don't need a turbo and weight so you don't have to do the weight reductions mods, how does that not make it even for everyone? Surely everyone can afford transmissions and LSD's and other stuff. My biggest thing is there is no way to police what mod's anyone has used as far as I know, so why not just open it up and then everyone is the same? BTW I'm not being argumentative I just don't get it...lol.

And...if the tires are going to wear out anyway why do you need mandatory pit stops?

There are other factors besides the bhp and weight that have to be taken into account. Air displacement is a major factor, as is the distance of the front and back wheels from each other.

Here's a perfect example: Take the C63AMG and the BMW M3 Coupe from the premium dealership, tune them to the exact same bhp and weight specs, and race them against each other. I will guarantee you that the BMW M3 Coupe will completely outclass the C63 AMG if the two drivers are of equal skill. I know this because I race with some friends who are right on the same skill level as I am, and we did this type of race. The restrictions were 500bhp, 1400kg. I tuned the C63AMG to those specs, and my friends tuned BMW M3 Coupe and BMW M5 to those specs. The C63 AMG was just completely outclassed every time. When I moved over to a BMW of the same specs, I saw the same thing they did as far as lap times go.

That's why I like the PP system - it takes into account much more than bhp and weight.

If you drive a well enough line, you can go a pretty long time without having to pit. That's why mandatory pits are in - to add a whole other dynamic to it. Chances are, the cleaner and more skilled driver will only have to pit that one time every 100-150km or so, but a less skilled driver will have to pit multiple times. It also depends on the tires chosen, too. Racing hards seem to wear down pretty fast on curvy tracks because they skid more, but racing softs with their massive grip on the corners will be fine.

 

[SohnVonStig]

There are other factors besides the bhp and weight that have to be taken into account. Air displacement is a major factor, as is the distance of the front and back wheels from each other.

Here's a perfect example: Take the C63AMG and the BMW M3 Coupe from the premium dealership, tune them to the exact same bhp and weight specs, and race them against each other. I will guarantee you that the BMW M3 Coupe will completely outclass the C63 AMG if the two drivers are of equal skill. I know this because I race with some friends who are right on the same skill level as I am, and we did this type of race. The restrictions were 500bhp, 1400kg. I tuned the C63AMG to those specs, and my friends tuned BMW M3 Coupe and BMW M5 to those specs. The C63 AMG was just completely outclassed every time. When I moved over to a BMW of the same specs, I saw the same thing they did as far as lap times go.

That's why I like the PP system - it takes into account much more than bhp and weight.

If you drive a well enough line, you can go a pretty long time without having to pit. That's why mandatory pits are in - to add a whole other dynamic to it. Chances are, the cleaner and more skilled driver will only have to pit that one time every 100-150km or so, but a less skilled driver will have to pit multiple times. It also depends on the tires chosen, too. Racing hards seem to wear down pretty fast on curvy tracks because they skid more, but racing softs with their massive grip on the corners will be fine.

I totally agree with your comments on Hp/weight restrictions. However, the PP system in NO way makes the cars equal. For instance - brakes make a HUGE difference in speed around the track - gt300 car with 500pp is going to beat a ginetta g4 with 500pp any day Found this out the hard way on the ring

PP system is def a step up from hp/weight restrictions only...if only we knew the math behind it.

Oh and as to the mandatory pit stop? I tried finishing the ISF race on sunday without switching tires go watch the replay its some funny stuff.

 

[Ruta]

I totally agree with your comments on Hp/weight restrictions. However, the PP system in NO way makes the cars equal. For instance - brakes make a HUGE difference in speed around the track - gt300 car with 500pp is going to beat a ginetta g4 with 500pp any day Found this out the hard way on the ring

PP system is def a step up from hp/weight restrictions only...if only we knew the math behind it.

Oh and as to the mandatory pit stop? I tried finishing the ISF race on sunday without switching tires go watch the replay its some funny stuff.

I agree with what you said. I'm not advocating the PP system as being perfect, and I do recognize that the PP system doesn't take into account brakes and handling aspects.

I'll have to watch the replay tonight - I've already tried doing a 30-lap GT500 race without changing tires while fighting for pole the whole race, and it wasn't pretty at the end haha.

 

[Alien96]

im interested, but depending on date/time, im just free saturday/sundays

 

[Müle]

It'll be a weekend series, for sure.

I want to interfere as little as possible with the Miatas, as I image a lot of the same people will want to do both, but I also don't want to wait until May to start it.

So at the moment, I'm thinking of Friday qualifying, Saturday afternoon qualifying, and Saturday night race

 

[BlackIce90]

It'll be a weekend series, for sure.

I want to interfere as little as possible with the Miatas, as I image a lot of the same people will want to do both, but I also don't want to wait until May to start it.

So at the moment, I'm thinking of Friday qualifying, Saturday afternoon qualifying, and Saturday night race

Sounds good, 2 races in a weekend should be satisfying. 👍

 

[cc203]

im down for this.

 

[Müle]

Well, I'll get an official sign-up thread going by the weekend. Seems like we'll have plenty.

 

[BlackIce90]

Well, I'll get an official sign-up thread going by the weekend. Seems like we'll have plenty.

Got my car ready. I really think you should consider having Nürburgring Nordschleife (Time) in this series, these cars aren't hard cars to handle, night time racing in pitch black should make things very interesting and fun. The replay of that race would be really fun to watch!

You can have 3-4 people qualify at the same time to make qualifying go by faster.

 

[GrahamTurismo]

Or you could hold qualifying on the GP track and then have the race on the full deal.

 

[Müle]

Nurburgring 24h is the Nordschleife, combined with the GP course.

I already have that considered

But to be honest, I'd sooner stick with just the one night race at Le Sarthe. Doesn't stop us from still having a race on it, though.

 

[Müle]

Double post, but meh


I'll start working on an OP for the sign-up thread today. I'll post a quick rundown of the rules here incase there are any issues still.


Car Specs:
-Honda Integra Type R RM '04
-Oil Change
-Race Modification
-Chassis Reinforcement
-ECU Upgrade
-Racing Air Filter
-Sports Intake Manifold
-Racing Catalytic Converter
-Racing Exhaust Manifold/Headers
-Adjustable Limited-Slip Differential
-Racing Hard (Medium?) Tires
-Oil Changes, Engine rebuilds and Chassis maintenance are allowed throughout the season as you need

Races:

-Will be about an hour in length, with the exception of the race at Circuit de la Sarthe, which will be 90 minutes
-Will take place Saturday afternoons/evenings. Exact times TBD.

Qualifying:
-Will follow the same procedure as in the Lexus IS-F series.
-On Friday, there will be a room open at a specific time, however, you may qualify at anytime that day by Messaging a Steward, and having him set up a room in either his or your lounge, or in the Open lobby.
-On Saturday, before the race, a room will be opened in the main lobby before the race where you may qualify. After the room is closed, no more qualifications will be accepted. Any late entries that day must start at the back of the grid.
-When you go to set your laps, you will join the track, by yourself. The Steward will then start a 4 lap race. This way, you have two flying laps, an "outlap" and an "inlap" which you must complete in order to save videos. Only laps 2 and 3 will count towards your grid position.

Race Procedure:
-All OLR rules are to apply here.
-Slight rubing is allowed, but intentionally spinning out another racer is strictly forbidden. In the event that this happens, Time penalties may be assessed, and Grid penalties for the next race you enter may be assessed, or you may be excluded from the race results. depending on the situation the incident occured in. Repeat offenders risk being disqualified from the championship.
-Accident's happen. If you make a mistake which causes another racer in front of you to spin out, you must wait for them to rejoin the track, and allow them to overtake you before returning to race speed. Failure to do so in a time penalty set so that you finish behind the victim.
-If you are caught up in a wreck that happened in front of you, unfortunately, there is nothing we can do for you. EXCEPTION: If somebody involved in an accident rejoins the track without regard for the position of others, and causes somebody to hit them, then they are subject to the same penalties as above, depending on intent.
-Damage will be set to light to help prevent an accident from ruining somebodys race.
-At least one pit-stop is required a race. This is just on there to be official, because there is really no way you'll be able to go an entire race on one set of tires and be fast.

Points:
-Will probably just be taken from the IS-F series.






Clearly needs to be proofread, and I need to add tracks, but you get the point.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Looks good.

 

[FlyingFox]

If I am able to get online then I'd like a bash at this if I may? What times are you thinking of running this event?

 

[BrosifDuder]

I'd like a bash at this if I may?

Interesting word choice.

 

[TLSeiko]

hey can i join this race series?

PSN :TLSeiko







The last D pad driver

 

[Müle]

You guys can all join when I get the sign-up thread open.

 

[FlyingFox]

Interesting word choice.

I was trying to be polite. Bloody hell I can't even do that without being scorned!!

 

[BlackIce90]

I was trying to be polite. Bloody hell I can't even do that without being scorned!!

Don't worry about it, us North Americans don't understand all the slang from the UK.

Mule, can you have the first race on either April 2nd or April 9th? If you start the series on either one of those days or earlier, then I can make all the races. I will be going to Europe on the 15th of May and if there are 6 races, the series will finish on either the 7th of May or the 14th so that way I can make it to all of the races.

Can you consider starting the series either on the 9th or before it?

 

[BrosifDuder]

I was trying to be polite. Bloody hell I can't even do that without being scorned!!

Sorry, my humorism was lost in forum translation. I should have used an emoticon of some sort. I knew what you meant and wasn't trying to be difficult.

Don't worry about it, us North Americans don't understand all the slang from the UK.

Mule, can you have the first race on either April 2nd or April 9th? If you start the series on either one of those days or earlier, then I can make all the races. I will be going to Europe on the 15th of May and if there are 6 races, the series will finish on either the 7th of May or the 14th so that way I can make it to all of the races.

Can you consider starting the series either on the 9th or before it?

Mule has already mentioned the series would not be starting until after the second season of Spec Miata had commenced. Since that starts the beginning of April and is set to run for six weeks or so it seems you might have a scheduling conflict.

 

[Müle]

I did say that, but that's also one of the things that aren't set in stone yet. If we're racing Saturdays, and make it so that we're not racing during their qualifying, I don't see why we can't run at the same time.

But it's really what you guys all want/think you can do.