Global Warming/Climate Change Discussion Thread

[Barra333]

Global average temp was 17.01°C, breaking the old record of 16.92°C (from 2016). That is a rather large jump, and I'd bet that it gets broken again within 2 months.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Yeah, this year's temperatures have been insane

 

[UKMikey]

Meanwhile, here in Northern Europe...

UK told to prepare for possible 30% increase in uncomfortably hot days | Climate crisis | The Guardian

Britain and Switzerland among countries that need to adapt most for heating, says research looking at impact of 2C global rise

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Joey D]

Ignoring the fact that planting a trillion trees in the US isn't possible due to size constraints, this actually isn't the worst plan:

House Republicans propose planting a trillion trees as they move away from climate change denial

House Republicans are searching for solutions to climate change without restricting American-produced energy that comes from burning oil, coal and gas.

apnews.com

The critics mentioned in the article though don't seem to be thinking this through. Yes, we should reduce energy from fossil fuels, but what's easier, quicker, and more realistic? Planting a bunch of trees or building an entire infrastructure based on renewable energy? People shouldn't be saying planting tree is a distraction, but rather something we should do in addition to working towards eliminating the need for fossil fuels.

 

[Danoff]

Ignoring the fact that planting a trillion trees in the US isn't possible due to size constraints, this actually isn't the worst plan:

House Republicans propose planting a trillion trees as they move away from climate change denial

House Republicans are searching for solutions to climate change without restricting American-produced energy that comes from burning oil, coal and gas.

apnews.com

The critics mentioned in the article though don't seem to be thinking this through. Yes, we should reduce energy from fossil fuels, but what's easier, quicker, and more realistic? Planting a bunch of trees or building an entire infrastructure based on renewable energy? People shouldn't be saying planting tree is a distraction, but rather something we should do in addition to working towards eliminating the need for fossil fuels.

My understanding is that trees are not actually the best way to lock up CO2 since they tend to dry out and burn down in the face of increasing temperatures and drought. There are alternative proposals, but it's nice to see right wingers actually thinking about the problem at this point.

 

[Liquid]

Aren't algae superb lifeforms at eating or otherwise locking up CO²? They do the job on a larger scale than trees, I think.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Yes, the trees would have to be planted strategically and maintained. Otherwise it's just a recipe for disaster and larger wildfires.

 

[Danoff]

Aren't algae superb lifeforms at eating or otherwise locking up CO²? They do the job on a larger scale than trees, I think.

I was curious where the CO2 goes when the algae dies. Looks like the dead algae gets eaten by shellfish and the CO2 is used to generate calcium carbonate shells. That seems like a decent carbon sink.

 

[Touring Mars]

Ignoring the fact that planting a trillion trees in the US isn't possible due to size constraints, this actually isn't the worst plan:

House Republicans propose planting a trillion trees as they move away from climate change denial

House Republicans are searching for solutions to climate change without restricting American-produced energy that comes from burning oil, coal and gas.

apnews.com

The critics mentioned in the article though don't seem to be thinking this through. Yes, we should reduce energy from fossil fuels, but what's easier, quicker, and more realistic? Planting a bunch of trees or building an entire infrastructure based on renewable energy? People shouldn't be saying planting tree is a distraction, but rather something we should do in addition to working towards eliminating the need for fossil fuels.

The best thing about that is the bit about 'House Republicans move away from climate change denial'... too little too late, one suspects, but it's still a plus nevertheless.

Even if it were possible to plant that many trees, mankind would also have to stop cutting down trees at our present rate for it to make an difference at all. Indeed, even if 1 trillion trees were planted over the course of the next 100 years, we're currently cutting down trees at a rate of 1 trillion per century anyway.

 

[Liquid]

carbon sink

Thank you. I couldn't remember this phrase.

Yes, as far as I could remember algae are a fantastic carbon sink but I'm not sure if there is a practical or ecologically non-damaging way to spread them in areas with a high carbon content. They're usually perceived as being aesthetically unpleasing and associated with 'dirty' water sources.

Could there really be a place for constructing deliberately algae-infested lakes and rivers away from existing freshwater bodies without damaging the ecology?

Algae seem like heroes with villainous publicity as it stands.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Thank you. I couldn't remember this phrase.

Yes, as far as I could remember algae are a fantastic carbon sink but I'm not sure if there is a practical or ecologically non-damaging way to spread them in areas with a high carbon content. They're usually perceived as being aesthetically unpleasing and associated with 'dirty' water sources.

Could there really be a place for constructing deliberately algae-infested lakes and rivers away from existing freshwater bodies without damaging the ecology?

Algae seem like heroes with villainous publicity as it stands.

If I recall, Algae take the oxygen out of the water so fish die.

 

[Liquid]

If I recall, Algae take the oxygen out of the water so fish die.

Which is why I wondered if it's possible to create artificial bodies of water specifically for algae. I've no idea if it's practical to do but it seems like an obvious solution to a layman.

 

[MatskiMonk]

People shouldn't be saying planting tree is a distraction, but rather something we should do in addition to working towards eliminating the need for fossil fuels.

CO2 emission per capita in the USA is 14 tonnes per year. One mature tree removes about 22kg of CO2 per year. The average American would likely have to do very little to achieve the equivalent (0.15%) of everyone planting 636 trees per year, considering the per capita out put is double that of China, and more than double that of most European nations.

I'm not against planting trees, but if people plant a few trees, and sit back thinking they've done their bit, nothing will change.

 

[Joey D]

My understanding is that trees are not actually the best way to lock up CO2 since they tend to dry out and burn down in the face of increasing temperatures and drought. There are alternative proposals, but it's nice to see right wingers actually thinking about the problem at this point.

While it's not the best, it is somewhat of a realistic solution for mitigating climate change. There was a study published in Science back in 2019 about it:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aax0848

 

[ProjectWHaT]

if embed doesn't work:

Spoiler

With rising temperatures and extreme weather across North America, this definitely feels like the noticeable beginnings of what's to come

 

[UKMikey]

According to this study quoted in the Guardian the Gulf Stream is on the verge of collapse in as little as two years causing widespread starvation in India, West Africa and South America as the rains they depend on for food dry up. Fortunately (?) scientists disagree over its impact.

Gulf Stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests

A collapse would bring catastrophic climate impacts but scientists disagree over the new analysis

www.theguardian.com

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Ocean temperatures off the south coast of Florida were measured at 101.1 degrees F today. That's as hot as a hot tub. @Omnis turn off the pool heater guy.

 

[Omnis]

Ocean temperatures off the south coast of Florida were measured at 101.1 degrees F today. That's as hot as a hot tub. @Omnis turn off the pool heater guy.

I haven't been out of my house since I fell at the velodrome. You just don't understand how murder hot it is out here. I don't care that you can fry and egg in a cast iron pan on the sidewalk in El Paso. I don't want to hear about the heat in Arizona. The air here is steam.


Can we just hurry up and install radiative cooling panels in various deserts of the world?

 

[Joey D]

"cLiMaTe cHaNgE iS a hOaX!"

July has been so blistering hot, scientists already calculate that it's the warmest month on record

July has been so hot so far that scientists calculate that this month will be the globally hottest on record and likely the warmest human civilization has seen, even though there are several days left to sweat through.

apnews.com

I don't know how anyone can deny climate change anymore. How much humans contribute to it can be debated, but to say the whole thing is just a big liberal hoax is so asininely stupid that I have a hard time comprehending it. Even my ultra-conservative dad who thinks Ronald Reagan is better than Jesus himself says humans are destroying the planet.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

"cLiMaTe cHaNgE iS a hOaX!"

July has been so blistering hot, scientists already calculate that it's the warmest month on record

July has been so hot so far that scientists calculate that this month will be the globally hottest on record and likely the warmest human civilization has seen, even though there are several days left to sweat through.

apnews.com

I don't know how anyone can deny climate change anymore. How much humans contribute to it can be debated, but to say the whole thing is just a big liberal hoax is so asininely stupid that I have a hard time comprehending it. Even my ultra-conservative dad who thinks Ronald Reagan is better than Jesus himself says humans are destroying the planet.

Fox News enters the chat

It's not climate change that's causing heat waves this summer but no one wants to explain why

 

[TB]

Fox News enters the chat

It's not climate change that's causing heat waves this summer but no one wants to explain why

Not one single link, chart or fact that isn't his opinion to back up his claim.

On brand.

 

[UKMikey]

Fox News enters the chat

It's not climate change that's causing heat waves this summer but no one wants to explain why

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[Joey D]

Fox News enters the chat

It's not climate change that's causing heat waves this summer but no one wants to explain why

Ah yes, Justin Haskins, a climatologist...checks notes...wait, no. He's the director of something called the Socialism Research Center and has written best selling books with none other than professional dunce Glenn Beck (who's surprisingly still alive).

I can't read the article because Fox News is pestering me to allow ads and I'd rather beat myself with an extension cord than allow ads on a website, so I'm not entirely sure what he said. I'm going to guess that it all boils down to "trust me bro".

 

[Tired Tyres]

Why can't I change my vote in this thread? My thoughts on the matter have changed.

 

[Danoff]

Why can't I change my vote in this thread? My thoughts on the matter have changed.

Me too. I posted about it in 2018. I wouldn't mind having another go at the poll.

 

[TB]

Why can't I change my vote in this thread? My thoughts on the matter have changed.

Me too. I posted about it in 2018. I wouldn't mind having another go at the poll.

Done.

 

[TexRex]

Done.

Witch!

 

[Northstar]

Witch!

He turned me into a newt!.... I got better.

 

[TB]

He turned me into a newt!.... I got better.

For now...

 

[UKMikey]

I don't know how anyone can deny climate change anymore. How much humans contribute to it can be debated, but to say the whole thing is just a big liberal hoax is so asininely stupid that I have a hard time comprehending it.

Speaking of which, @GTP Red Pill's mate Neil Oliver is in the news...

False claims that heatwave is bogus spread online

Weather forecasters wrongly accused of using misleading data to "drive fear".

www.bbc.co.uk

Speaking about the fires on Rhodes on GB News on Monday, Mr Oliver accused the BBC, and other broadcasters, of trying to "make people terrified of the weather".

"Those supposedly terrifying temperatures that were being predicted, all starting with a four... 40 this and 40 that... were obtained using satellite images of ground temperatures," he said.

"That's never been the temperature that's used in weather reporting and forecasting.

"On the contrary, those figures are the air temperature, a couple of feet above the ground surface ...the true temperatures, the air temperatures which actually happened, were in the 30s."

Mr Oliver's claim that the BBC was using ground temperatures is false, as several BBC weather presenters have pointed out.

BBC Weather bases its temperature reporting and forecasting on air temperatures.

For his other claim, that "true temperatures" were in the 30s, Mr Oliver didn't specify exact locations, but on Monday 24 July several places across Europe recorded air temperatures over 40C.

Lamia in Greece experienced an air temperature of 45C, as did Figueres in Spain (45.4C) and Gythio in Greece (46.4 °C) in previous days.

GB News did not respond to the BBC's request for a comment about Mr Oliver's clip. Mr Oliver has also been approached for comment.