Global Warming/Climate Change Discussion Thread

[TRGTspecialist]

Yes, that's how you discredit the data. You gather a bunch of global warming alarmists and they have them all agree the data is underestimated.

I find it odd you're suggesting that the corrections made in deriving the temperature figures were just "agreed" arbitraily, when the reasoning behind them is published and viewable (@Outspacer even linked to some of it).

Are you implying then that these corrections are, err, incorrect? Genuine question, because if so I'd be interested to read your reasoning behind that.

 

[Outspacer]

I find it odd you're suggesting that the corrections made in deriving the temperature figures were just "agreed" arbitraily, when the reasoning behind them is published and viewable (@Outspacer even linked to some of it).

Are you implying then that these corrections are, err, incorrect? Genuine question, because if so I'd be interested to read your reasoning behind that.

Surely he left a '/sarc' tag off, and meant the data isn't discredited by such propaganda!

 

[GBO Possum]

"By 1957, scientists from ExxonMobil's corporate ancestor, Humble Oil, identified the burning of fossil fuels as a contributor to the rise of carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere."

The above copied and pasted from https://news.vice.com/article/the-oil-industry-was-warned-about-climate-change-in-1968

 

[Outspacer]

"By 1957, scientists from ExxonMobil's corporate ancestor, Humble Oil, identified the burning of fossil fuels as a contributor to the rise of carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere."

The above copied and pasted from https://news.vice.com/article/the-oil-industry-was-warned-about-climate-change-in-1968

It's as though they imagine that had people been told, people would've given up their naughty oil habit and the world would be at peace with itself once more! It seems to me that they are itching to draw parallels with the tobacco industry, when the two things couldn't be more different - one a pushed drug of no benefit to person or society whose competitors are mostly illegal, the other almost solely responsible for our modern standard of living whose competitors are not economically viable even now.

Not that I'd ever say the oil industry is nice and kind, but that's not the point. We (society) wanted oil then and we still want oil now - not as an addiction, rationally.

Never mind that had they put the word out, it would've headed straight into the Global Cooling scare, and been completely ignored. It's not oil industry's 'misinformation' that's slowing progress on climate change mitigation, it's that the climate doesn't appear to need mitigating anything like as much as predictions have claimed, with the temperature rise well below even the lowest of model predictions.

 

[Barra333]

By sheer coincidence, I was shown this picture just last week - the ad is from 1962

 

[Outspacer]

... sheer coincidence ...

I sincerely hope that's irony!

 

[Barra333]

I mean coincidence in that I was in a presentation where that image was shown, then I came here and saw a mention of the same company, which hasn't existed under that name for quite a few years.

 

[Outspacer]

I mean coincidence in that I was in a presentation where that image was shown, then I came here and saw a mention of the same company, which hasn't existed under that name for quite a few years.

I was coming from it being no coincidence that anything that might be remotely interpreted as dirt is being dug up and circulated in the present war on climate 'deniers'.

In what context was it shown in the presentation?

 

[Barra333]

It was in the context of climate change, but presented in an ironic 'hindsight is pretty funny' way.

 

[Outspacer]

It was in the context of climate change, but presented in an ironic 'hindsight is pretty funny' way.

Yeah, I was guessing at an "it's funny because it's (kinda) true" angle but I didn't want to presume

 

[Neddo]

Should the temperature drops bigger than 5 degrees be considered normal?

 

[DK]

Should the temperature drops bigger than 5 degrees be considered normal?

Could you elaborate? For all I know you could be talking about it getting colder at night.

 

[Neddo]

Could you elaborate? For all I know you could be talking about it getting colder at night.

Ok. Let's say that yesterday the temperature was about 35 degrees, and today is about 20 (altough it feels warmer). Region is western (non coastal) balkan.

 

[Dotini]

The following article indicates the 2nd largest drop in satellite recorded troposphere temperature, and predicts further rapid cooling this year. Study of ice cores and sunspots leaves open the distinct possibility of a Dalton or Maunder minimum "mini" ice age - and the even the inevitable onset of another full ice age. IMHO, global cooling and its effects on agriculture are a far greater threat to humanity than any known kind of global warming.



http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/29753/56/
Rapid cooling: Earth Sees Big Drop In Global Temps
Thursday, 07 July 2016
Second largest 2-month drop in global average satellite temperatures.
Largest 2-month drop in tropical average satellite temperatures.



NOTE: This is the fifteenth monthly update with our new Version 6.0 dataset. Differences versus the old Version 5.6 dataset are discussed here. Note we are now at “beta5” for Version 6, and the paper describing the methodology is still in peer review.



The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for June, 2016 is +0.34 deg. C, down 0.21 deg. C from the May value of +0.55 deg. C (click for full size version):

This gives a 2-month temperature fall of -0.37 deg. C, which is the second largest in the 37+ year satellite record…the largest was -0.43 deg. C in Feb. 1988.

In the tropics, there was a record fast 2-month cooling of -0.56 deg. C, just edging out -0.55 deg. C in June 1998 (also an El Nino weakening year).



The rapid cooling is from the weakening El Nino and approaching La Nina conditions by mid-summer or early fall.

…

With most models predicting La Nina conditions by the autumn, we can expect temperatures to tumble a lot further by the end of the year.

 

[ryzno]

Ah global cooling starts again, like I've said it's normal, just a political scheme and a waste of money and time.

 

[DK]

Ok. Let's say that yesterday the temperature was about 35 degrees, and today is about 20 (altough it feels warmer). Region is western (non coastal) balkan.

That's weather you're talking about, not climate. Climate is an average of weather conditions over relatively longer periods of time (at least a year).

 

[Neddo]

That's weather you're talking about, not climate. Climate is an average of weather conditions over relatively longer periods of time (at least a year).

Well I should post it The Weather Thread then

 

[Barra333]

Well I should post it The Weather Thread then

Either way, it is not that unusual. A cold front can drop the temperature that much in less than an hour if the conditions are right.

 

[Dotini]

According to multiple overlapping sun and Earth cycles, including La Nina, the coming year(s) is likely to be cold and wet.

 

[Johnnypenso]

According to multiple overlapping sun and Earth cycles, including La Nina, the coming year(s) is likely to be cold and wet.

If that is the case then I shall name next year the Year of Susan after one of my ex-girlfriends

 

[Neddo]

I just read Resillent Earth website........

 

[stonesfan129]

I don't know. I have not noticed any difference in temperatures this year from last where I live.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't know. I have not noticed any difference in temperatures this year from last where I live.

Been hot as heck up in here in Canada the last couple of weeks eh. #globalwarmingconfirmed

 

[justin credible]

Been hot as heck up in here in Canada the last couple of weeks eh. #globalwarmingconfirmed

I am near Manchester in England and it's wet and miserable, but enough about the wife the weather is dreadful yet only a month back it was wonderfully hot and sunny.
Is it global warming which makes British weather so unpredictable? the seasons here seem all to cock.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I am near Manchester in England and it's wet and miserable, but enough about the wife the weather is dreadful yet only a month back it was wonderfully hot and sunny.
Is it global warming which makes British weather so unpredictable? the seasons here seem all to cock.

#globalwettingconfirmed

 

[DK]

I just read Resillent Earth website........

...and? I had a look at it myself, and the author's not got any qualifications in climatology.

 

[justin credible]

#globalwettingconfirmed

Oh so you have met the wife it's a problem she is trying to sort I have told her they do a good cure in Mozambique but she won't bugger off there.

I am going to sound like my dad here but when I was a kid 60s & 70s the seasons were pretty in touch with what they should be, Now the weather is so unpredictable you never know what is going to happen from hour to hour.
1976 summer was brilliant I was 12 and all the kids around our end looked like they had been in Egypt for two months.
As I remember it I spent every day of the 6 weeks holiday playing in red hot sunshine and my first proper girlfriend wey hey.
Now I plan things with the younger ones and end up packing sun tan lotion and raincoats.
I often wondered if it is global warming which has changed the seasons so much but it's odd as winters are not that bad now (global warming maybe) yet summers are so short with loads of rain and cold which I think is the opposite to global warming! Or is it the world is just changing and we need get used to it?.

 

[Neddo]

Oh so you have met the wife it's a problem she is trying to sort I have told her they do a good cure in Mozambique but she won't bugger off there.

I am going to sound like my dad here but when I was a kid 60s & 70s the seasons were pretty in touch with what they should be, Now the weather is so unpredictable you never know what is going to happen from hour to hour.
1976 summer was brilliant I was 12 and all the kids around our end looked like they had been in Egypt for two months.
As I remember it I spent every day of the 6 weeks holiday playing in red hot sunshine and my first proper girlfriend wey hey.
Now I plan things with the younger ones and end up packing sun tan lotion and raincoats.
I often wondered if it is global warming which has changed the seasons so much but it's odd as winters are not that bad now (global warming maybe) yet summers are so short with loads of rain and cold which I think is the opposite to global warming! Or is it the world is just changing and we need get used to it?.

Climate changes is simple term for this

 

[Johnnypenso]

Oh so you have met the wife it's a problem she is trying to sort I have told her they do a good cure in Mozambique but she won't bugger off there.

I am going to sound like my dad here but when I was a kid 60s & 70s the seasons were pretty in touch with what they should be, Now the weather is so unpredictable you never know what is going to happen from hour to hour.
1976 summer was brilliant I was 12 and all the kids around our end looked like they had been in Egypt for two months.
As I remember it I spent every day of the 6 weeks holiday playing in red hot sunshine and my first proper girlfriend wey hey.
Now I plan things with the younger ones and end up packing sun tan lotion and raincoats.
I often wondered if it is global warming which has changed the seasons so much but it's odd as winters are not that bad now (global warming maybe) yet summers are so short with loads of rain and cold which I think is the opposite to global warming! Or is it the world is just changing and we need get used to it?.

I tend to think of this as looking at my youth with rose coloured glasses. When I was a kid we never paid any attention to the idiosyncracies of the weather, it was what it was when we woke up. Unlike today when many kids hide inside at the first sign of inclement weather, we used to love playing in the rain and snow, the more the better. We'd ride our bikes full speed through puddles a foot deep and get soaked with dirty water!! Can you imagine kids doing that today? I think as we turn into adults we pay more attention to the weather for various reasons and the ups and downs seem more pronounced than they really are. I can remember getting a foot of snow in April when I was a teenager and I remember a couple of winters in Toronto when there wasn't much snow either. I remember summers that seemed to be hot as heck for 2 months straight and I remember going to the cottage for a couple of weeks another year and the weather was cool and miserable in the middle of July. No different than it is today IMO.

 

[stonesfan129]

Been hot as heck up in here in Canada the last couple of weeks eh. #globalwarmingconfirmed

Yeah could use a week of global cooling down here in WI.