Got £38,000?...Buy an Alfa 4C

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The one aftermarket mod which would probably make the biggest difference to the 4C is replacing the steering wheel. It doesn't look nice at all, and they've taken the current trend of utilising needlessly thick wheel rims a step too far.

I know that the flappy paddles are attached to the standard wheel, which would unfortunately make this a bit more of a faff, but it world probably go some way to fixing the slightly vague feeling that some testers have complained about too.
 
I really don't get this trend for thick rimmed steering wheels...

My 996 has a lovely thin rim with zero padding. It just sits in your fingers tips and feels lovely... it encourages you to steer the car with your hands and wrists. My DS5 has a hideous thick rim with a flat bottom and is only saved by not being over padded.
 
@Stotty I agree, thick steering wheels are generally silly. As a rule, they tend to be for cars that pretend to be sporty than cars that really are.

Also, you have awesome cars. 👍
 
One of the quotes from the CAR review went something along the lines of... 'the 4C costs as much as the Caymen GTS, which is ridiculous'. Fairly clear that they didn't see the 4C offering value for money as an overall proposition.
It's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison however, and evo is as guilty of that as anyone (for anyone who has seen the latest issue). I genuinely can't see many people cross-shopping the 4C and a Cayman simply because "Porsche people" and "Alfa people" have quite different priorities.

That, and it does come back to the construction methods. Even mass-produced carbonfibre is expensive, so anyone expecting the Alfa to be cheap simply because it's an Alfa/it has a four-cylinder engine/it's a bit basic inside is arguably missing the point.

Ultimately, the Alfa's problem isn't its relative expense - people throughout time have happily bought overpriced things - but the fact it's not as good a car as it should be.
Beyond the point that this is a £40k+++ car and shouldn't need fundamental fixes...
Again, I'd take the cost out of that equation. Yes, Alfa should have done things better initially (though positive early reports abroad do lead me to believe the 4C is a car significantly compromised by British roads) but to say a car shouldn't need fundamental fixes disregards peoples' desire to change already-expensive products.

Witness the market for people making their floppy 1.7-ton muscle cars better on track. Or giving Toyota 86/Subaru BRZs more power. Or indeed Porsche owners doing anything and everything to their cars - I'd hazard that Porsche owners probably alter the base product more than owners of any other performance car.

Perhaps not fundamentally, in that a 911 or a Cayman is a pretty good road car to start with, but anyone who already wants a 4C will either drive it and not discover the issues that car mags have found (or discover them and not mind anyway - journos are a fickle bunch!), or decide they want to improve things.

Keeping it within Alfa, I get the impression that the first thing anyone who owns a 156 GTA does is immediately fits a Q2 diff and better suspension. Should Alfa have fitted these things from the start? Probably. Does their fitment show that owners are happy to work around a car's issues if they love the car? Definitely. And it turns the GTA into a cracking car too, from what I've read.
The key challenge with aftermarket improvements will be the cost - it's such a small volume car that pretty much everything would need to be custom made... I'd be very nervous about the amount of testing any aftermarket upgrades had given the number of cars out there... did they get the spring rates and travel right? did they get the bound/rebound rate ranges right?
I've never had a £40k car budget so can't comment with any authority, but spending a couple of grand on some custom coilovers when you've spent twenty times that on the car itself (and probably loaded it up with a few grand's worth of extra options - people even do that on superminis, because finance) probably isn't that big a deal.
 
I don't know about other people's choice (I may he a bit biased as I'm a Porschephile) but a big part of my I'd choose the Cayman is the quality of the Powertrain. It's all well an good making a sports car with a carbon tub etc, but you lose some of that 'specialness' by giving it the same engine as one of your hatches.
 
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My first time seeing the interior. Me no like.
I'd have to buy an Evora over this. Cayman would be a no brainer. I guess it's good Alfa want to get back in the game with sports cars. If this is what they do on their own, good thing they're using the MX-5 as a base.
 
I don't know about other people's choice (I may he a bit biased as I'm a Porschephile) but a big part of my I'd choose the Cayman is the quality of the Powertrain. It's all well an good making a sports car with a carbon tub etc, but you lose some of that 'specialness' by giving it the same engine as one of your hatches.
Though Alfa has traditionally used engines from regular cars in their sporty stuff since the 1950s. Since Porsche makes no run-of-the-mill stuff, it isn't restricted in the same way.

The engine isn't nearly as offputting for me as the dual-clutch 'box, and I'm not even a manual elitist.

I've had my earlier point corroborated by a friend and fellow journo currently driving a 4C though. While she probably isn't driving the car as hard as my colleagues do, and therefore can't comment on its behaviour at 10/10ths, she's loving every minute of it so far. It's the theatre of it, which is as good a reason as any to buy a car. For someone who may never drive above more than 7/10ths of its potential the gap between it and a Cayman/Evora/whatever else probably isn't as great as some reviews make out.
 
To me, the off putting things about 4C are that steering wheel and the iffy DCT. IMHO the interior is leaps and bounds above Evoras interior.
 
I'm one for simpler interiors.
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So you don't mind that some of the buttons are UNDER the horizontal element of the dash? Not to mention that the interior looks very cheap for the price of the car?
 
So you don't mind that some of the buttons are UNDER the horizontal element of the dash? Not to mention that the interior looks very cheap for the price of the car?

Well, no one remembers Lotus for a excellent interior quality. I still remember when Jeremy Clarkson tested the car on one of his DVDs, and one of the speakers came off. I'd say he's more of a fan of the layout of the interior, as opposed to the quality. The "buttons under the dash" bit is a tad bit silly, you are right about that.
 
I prefer minimal info on the dash. My Megane Trophy+ was the same. For the top spec model, only the Sat Nav on top of the dash stood out. Radio and climate controls were simple.
 
Death of the manual in Maranello, ay? Wonder how much those two manual Californias will be worth in the future.
 
Death of the manual in Maranello, ay? Wonder how much those two manual Californias will be worth in the future.
It is strange. No one wanted to buy a California with a manual? Jeeze I'm surprised. How about a 488 or an 812 though? Seriously telling me that no one wants a sports Alfa in manual?
 
One of the main reasons I wasn't interested in the 4C is the automatic gearbox. An Alfa with a manual is much more appealing. In one month's time, I saw a few 4C's for sale at dealerships with a massive discount >>> at least €20,800. That's the price of an Abarth 140hp.
And still they refuse to make a manual?
 
I saw a few 4C's for sale at dealerships with a massive discount >>> at least €20,800. That's the price of an Abarth 140hp.
And still they refuse to make a manual?

Were are they at that price?, I'd be very tempted and even with any taxes that price would still be cheaper than the UK.
£30 + for a bad example (high mileage ) in the UK still.
 
I also don't understand that particular argument for not offering a manual. Most people who can afford a Ferrari are, lets be honest, quite not-young. It's pretty obvious that they want an automatic of some form. I wonder what percentage of new Ferrari owners never or rarely activate manual mode? I'd hazard a guess that it's common.

The 4C is much more accessible to 30-somethings that want to actually drive the damn thing. That's why Corvette, Lotus, Porsche and the like still offer manuals.

That being said, I'm not sure a manual would suit the 4c very well.
 
@kikie sorry I read your post wrong, I thought you meant from 20000 euros second hand not discount . Thanks for taking the time with the links 👍.
 
@kikie sorry I read your post wrong, I thought you meant from 20000 euros second hand not discount . Thanks for taking the time with the links 👍.
Okay, no problem.

I was already fantasizing meeting with you and go to one of the Alfa dealerships to buy a 4C (you, not me). :P
 
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