[Gran Turismo 5 @ TGS 2009] (SEE POST1!: New vids. Interviews!)

[spoolinsr20]

with the HP that GT says that the car put's out please tell me that the car would stay in a straight line when changing gears???

 

[Scaff]

There are cars that do it even in third ) We all except mod do know what he's talking about. Check the video from 0:25 on

We all know exactly what he is talkin about.

That a RWD car will step out under hard acceleration (you don't even need a gear change) is not the point at issue. The problem is that he stated (quite clearly) that EVERY RWD car will do it when you change hard into second and that EVERY RWD has a LSD fitted.

That statement is quite simply not true.

with the HP that GT says that the car put's out please tell me that the car would stay in a straight line when changing gears???

HP has bugger all to do with a car stepping out of line under hard acceleration, the effect is the result of torque not BHP.


Scaff

 

[spoolinsr20]

Man that guy is annoying.

Man you know nothing about cars and the way they drive

 

[PureAwesomeness]

Yes, of course they have.

Even if that were true (given that you have no idea what I've driven and are just being needlessly aggressive), your original statement was..?





Super. Quick clue - a stock Silvia isn't every RWD car.



Super. Quick clue - a turbo Silvia isn't every RWD car.

As a moderator, do you not have a responsibility to set an example to others? I can understand your frustration and desire to prove your point but it really has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Would this quarrel not be better settled by PM perhaps?

 

[Quiet_Storm]

with the HP that GT says that the car put's out please tell me that the car would stay in a straight line when changing gears???

You're probably referring to GT4? If you are then I know exactly what you're talking about. They sorta fixed the problem in GT5P, though.👍

 

[alfy13]

with the HP that GT says that the car put's out please tell me that the car would stay in a straight line when changing gears???

please tell me your joking.

 

[Famine]

As a moderator, do you not have a responsibility to set an example to others? I can understand your frustration and desire to prove your point but it really has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Would this quarrel not be better settled by PM perhaps?

As a moderator I have a responsibility to let people know that rubbish posted as fact will not be tolerated.

We are, of course, discussing physics. spoolinsr20 here says that GT4's physics are flawed because all RWD cars should squirrel when hard shifted from 1st to 2nd because of power and they don't. Of course reality says that it'd require quite a sticky diff to do this and it happens due to torque (which is why it's more common and pronounced in lower gears - gearboxes multiply torque, not power). The problem is thus his perception of reality.

 

[spoolinsr20]

We all know exactly what he is talkin about.

That a RWD car will step out under hard acceleration (you don't even need a gear change) is not the point at issue. The problem is that he stated (quite clearly) that EVERY RWD car will do it when you change hard into second and that EVERY RWD has a LSD fitted.

That statement is quite simply not true.


Scaff



HP has bugger all to do with a car stepping out of line under hard acceleration, the effect is the result of torque not BHP.




Scaff

dude all im talking about is the car is going to get wheel spin when you dump the clutch from 1st to 2nd

 

[Strittan]

have you you even driven a car with more then 70hp thats RWD??? and manual??
and ever dropped the clutch into 2nd??

oops edit: and has a LSD in it

A RWD car with 71hp, manual transmission and LSD won't step out in 2nd gear, unless you're on ice.

 

[Stratosphere03]

This guy has painted himself into a corner he will not be able to back out of. Entertaining, if noting else. *grabs some popcorn*

 

[spoolinsr20]

As a moderator I have a responsibility to let people know that rubbish posted as fact will not be tolerated.

We are, of course, discussing physics. spoolinsr20 here says that GT4's physics are flawed because all RWD cars should squirrel when hard shifted from 1st to 2nd because of power and they don't. Of course reality says that it'd require quite a sticky diff to do this and it happens due to torque (which is why it's more common and pronounced in lower gears - gearboxes multiply torque, not power). The problem is thus his perception of reality.

i am saying in GT4 when you buy a LSD diff it still does not hook up as a LSD DIFF does which they say is a 2 way diff

 

[PureAwesomeness]

As a moderator I have a responsibility to let people know that rubbish posted as fact will not be tolerated.

I think the majority of us here are smart enough to figure that out for ourselves. Nevertheless, the physics of GT4 doesn't really have anything to do with this thread and the quarrel is becoming rather tedious.

 

[Quiet_Storm]

A RWD car with 71hp, manual transmission and LSD won't step out in 2nd gear, unless you're on ice.

What if the RWD car only weighs 1600lbs, A performance clutch, had bald tires in the rear and slight toe out?

 

[sejtur]

I was asking as well, I haven't seen it...but a couple of people on various forums saying it was going to be released sometime soon.

Ahh, ok, didn't realize that you were asking about it too... thought you were asking opinions about it, haha. Anyways, I don't think we'll see it until... 2010? Or maybe even 2011?

 

[Famine]

i am saying in GT4 when you buy a LSD diff it still does not hook up as a LSD DIFF does which they say is a 2 way diff

And what you said, to remind you, was:

take of hard in any real RWD car in first and then chuck it into 2nd it steps out

Which is still nowhere near true.

Also, since the "D" in "LSD" stands for "Differential", you don't have to say "LSD diff".

I think the majority of us here are smart enough to figure that out for ourselves.

Indeed. However, the moderators have always been here for the minority that aren't.

Nevertheless, the physics of GT4 doesn't really have anything to do with this thread and the quarrel is becoming rather tedious.

All we have for GT5s physics is an extrapolation of what we know - GT5P being the most recent and thus most relevant. GT4's physics are still important though, as they are the most recent ones which parts upgrades could cause an effect.

 

[Scaff]

dude all im talking about is the car is going to get wheel spin when you dump the clutch from 1st to 2nd

And I'm telling you that has nothing at all to do with the BHP output of the cars engine in any way shape or form.

Its a direct result of the engine torque, gear ratios, final drive ratio and rear wheel/tyre size.

That you then accuse another member of not knowing enough about cars and you are unaware of the actual forces involved I find rather ironic, but if you wish to argue the point with me feel free, you will lose.


Scaff

 

[spoolinsr20]

^^ well i am dealing with people who haven't driven a car before so i have to put that in
and GT5p dont even have LSD's

Nm is what gives you your low down torque i know that you DS

 

[El Drifto]

Please ban that clown.
This is a thread about TGS, not RWD cars and LSD's.
He can easily create another thread and argue all he wants in there.

 

[Famine]

^^ well i am dealing with people who haven't driven a car before

Really? Who are they?

and GT5p dont even have LSD's

Some of the cars in it most certainly do. And it still doesn't change the fact that your original statement was incorrect.

Nm is what gives you your low down torque i know that you DS

Nm is your torque. It's a measurement... of torque! Low-down, high-up, in the middle... It is torque.

Oh, and cut the insults out. There's only one individual appearing to be as you describe thus far. I'll give you a clue - it's you.

 

[Quiet_Storm]

Let's not give him any ideas now!

 

[Robin]

Just reading the official list of GT5 features on the GT website I noticed Livery Editor is no longer listed, has this been dropped?

KY has mentioned a livery editor many times and it was also shown to be a feature in a presentation for GTHD (which became GT5) way back.

If PD has dropped this then that it very dissapointing for me, especially when even a small time dev like System 3 managed to have one in Ferrari Challenge with very little effort. Not to mention all the other games which have one.

I dont know why PD finds it so hard to match other devs on the simplest of things! Its bizzare.

Robin.

 

[Scaff]

^^ well i am dealing with people who haven't driven a car before so i have to put that in
and GT5p dont even have LSD's

Nm is what gives you your low down torque i know that you DS

Oh I know Famine has already pointed it out and I have to say I'm going to let you off the infraction for the insult simply because you made me laugh so much.

Nm is a unit of measurement (ft/lbs here in the UK is our preferred unit), torque is the force its measuring.

Now as you claim to know exactly what is involved in this I would greatly appreciate a PM from you explaining exactly what forces are at work and how the act to cause a car to step out under hard accelerating.

I look froward to receiving it, and when I do I will be sure to post in it the correct sub-forum.

Now stop posting off topic and get to work on that PM for me, I look forward to discussing the physics involved with you in a more appropriate thread.


Thanks

Scaff

 

[G.T.Ace]

when even a small time dev like System 3 managed to have one in Ferrari Challenge with very little effort

Maybe it has technical issues, because it doesnt work with the textures, shaders, lighting etc.

 

[Quiet_Storm]

Moderators have the ability to see edited and even deleted posts. The more you know...

 

[El Drifto]

Make sure you close the door on your way out.

 

[Terronium-12]

Just reading the official list of GT5 features on the GT website I noticed Livery Editor is no longer listed, has this been dropped?

KY has mentioned a livery editor many times and it was also shown to be a feature in a presentation for GTHD (which became GT5) way back.

If PD has dropped this then that it very dissapointing for me, especially when even a small time dev like System 3 managed to have one in Ferrari Challenge with very little effort. Not to mention all the other games which have one.

I dont know why PD finds it so hard to match other devs on the simplest of things! Its bizzare.

Robin.

I don't think it's been dropped for one point I made a month or so back, and it's even intensified now but to paraphrase - the incessant need for perfection and quite frankly over-development is the one enemy they can't afford to lose to, not anymore. It's no longer about Forza Motorsport 3, Need For Speed: Shift, or any other acclaimed simulation game being better, it's all about the time it's taken to get the game on the shelves.

If it lacks in so much as one thing that's become standardized in racing game whether it arcade or simulation you'd better believe it's going to get panned for it. If it does something wrong that requires a patch, again, you'd better believe a horde of individuals are going to retort with the following criticism: "We've waited this long and x and y isn't even what it's been claimed to be?" It's the only enemy they have now and the sad thing is I don't even think they're fully aware of it.

 

[marab]

Just reading the official list of GT5 features on the GT website I noticed Livery Editor is no longer listed, has this been dropped?

KY has mentioned a livery editor many times and it was also shown to be a feature in a presentation for GTHD (which became GT5) way back.

If PD has dropped this then that it very dissapointing for me, especially when even a small time dev like System 3 managed to have one in Ferrari Challenge with very little effort. Not to mention all the other games which have one.

I dont know why PD finds it so hard to match other devs on the simplest of things! Its bizzare.

Robin.

livery editor is a important feature that can't be forgotten! PD must put it in the game

 

[Obli]

My friend's old 1991 BMW 318i did not step out / squirrel or do anything remotely dramatic when nailed... unless in the wet!

 

[RACECAR]

Just reading the official list of GT5 features on the GT website I noticed Livery Editor is no longer listed, has this been dropped?

KY has mentioned a livery editor many times and it was also shown to be a feature in a presentation for GTHD (which became GT5) way back.

If PD has dropped this then that it very dissapointing for me, especially when even a small time dev like System 3 managed to have one in Ferrari Challenge with very little effort. Not to mention all the other games which have one.

I dont know why PD finds it so hard to match other devs on the simplest of things! Its bizzare.

Robin.

How was it dropped? Didn't you see the tuned Mini Cooper?

 

[JM1681]

How was it dropped? Didn't you see the tuned Mini Cooper?

It could have been just that; a tuned Mini Cooper.

Because it wore something other than it's typical colors doesn't necessarily mean that a livery editor has been included.

PD simply could have included a prepared Mini.

Don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful for it, I just don't believe the Mini is the perfect example of its implementation.