[Gran Turismo 5 @ TGS 2009] (SEE POST1!: New vids. Interviews!)
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I doubt I would be alone in saying I have absolutely no desire to play ANY game online, either cooperatively or competatively.
Is it a fun feature, yes.
Should it be the primary focus of ANY game, absolutely not (Of course IMHO).
I want to play GT5 online, but it's definitely not the selling point for me. It seems you, a few others and I all agree. Games like Call of Duty can have a short singe player, but most people buy it for the popular online mode. I get the feeling people are excited for GT5 because the offline is a blast. I also think people are excited about the online, but I feel they don't want GT5 solely for that.
Edit: Holy hell, I got family in Suffern, NY!
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You mean you and JM1681 are related?
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If we are it's news to me
I'm sure he meant he just has some family 'round these parts.
Last name by any chance SrRd?
Agree on all points
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GT5 should not take away precious single player development time because the core single player goes hand in hand with online play (car count, tracks, etc.), but they also shouldn't ignore the online features either, because the online we saw in Prologue was downright laughable and almost hard to justify playing.
Speaking in regards to todays market, this new generation of gamers we have currently, have grown up with online being the main component. To me, Gran Turismo's single player is just as important, but neglect online features and you are just shooting yourself in the foot. A bland, tasteless, bare minimum online mode won't fly anymore in todays market. Online mode gives the game that extra playability, long lasting appeal, and real life competition that so many people today thrive on.
It is an online world these days and you gotta keep up with the times or get left behind. For me personally, online mode is pretty important for many reasons. One simple one being competing with real life people is much more fun and satisfying than semi-dumb computer AI (that goes for all types of games). Good online support and features are a must for me, and I'm not saying that single player isn't the centerpeice, but online offers alot of what single player cant give you like interacting with real life competition and friends. Too many people beat single player games and put them away to collect dust, but when you got a good online mode it opens a whole new aspect to the game with endless ammounts of fun.
In conclusion, the single player is where the beef is, but the online part is the seasoning and special sauce. Prologue's online was a disaster and very bare minimum, and I'm giving PD the benefit of the doubt considering it was more of a 'test' and their first time implementing online. They have had enough time since then to know how to do it right, and what features need to be available. I just hope PD can come through with decent features, not just a bare minimum online mode.
I doubt I would be alone in saying I have absolutely no desire to play ANY game online, either cooperatively or competatively.
Is it a fun feature, yes.
Should it be the primary focus of ANY game, absolutely not (Of course IMHO
Of course you wouldn't be alone in saying you have no desire to play any game online, but I would say you would be the overwhelming minority compared to other gamers in this generation. Personally I have been spoiled with online gaming, putting the story mode on the back burner and starting up the real competition (online).
I think he was just pointing out the importance of online gameplay in TODAYS gaming market. In reference to this generation of gamers, the online aspect of games are just as important as any other, and falls most true in action/shooters like COD, HALO, Battlefield, etc.
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If we are it's news to me
I'm sure he meant he just has some family 'round these parts.
Last name by any chance SrRd?
Well, not blood related. I mean, my parents have friends who live there, and I consider them close. They're friends of the family.
Also, I am glad we agree. I'm glad most of the posters here agree.
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Fair enough.
I think a big part of the problem is that I've grown up without online in my games. When I play a game, I play against the game and that's how that works for me.
My fingers are crossed that GT5 will have the same in-depth single-player experience veterans of the series have come to expect over the past 10+ years.
Interesting. Suffern is a small place, I'd be willing to bet I know them
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Most everybody here grew up without online, unless there are 12 yr olds hiding on the forums. The single player should deliver tons of content, especially with Kazunori wanting to add some of the GT PSP modes in to GT5. That could be fun. If someone who has GT PSP could comment on this, that would be great.
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I love the online GT, id rather have punters(temporary) instead of "ig'nint" AI which gets boring\frustrating.
It's another level of competition its really pushing you to focus and get it right the first time, theres no restart.
For games like GTA and GT, a good online serves as a realistic "AI". Im Actually really looking forward to NASCAR online.
It's another level of competition its really pushing you to focus and get it right the first time, theres no restart.
For games like GTA and GT, a good online serves as a realistic "AI". Im Actually really looking forward to NASCAR online.
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I doubt I would be alone in saying I have absolutely no desire to play ANY game online, either cooperatively or competatively.
Is it a fun feature, yes.
Should it be the primary focus of ANY game, absolutely not (Of course IMHO
While I've played alot of on line racing games going back to PGR2, which I think was the first console on-line racing game, it will never replace single player as the primary focus of the game for me.
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Just to add my humble opinion, GT5 and all sequels could release without the ability to play offline as far as I'm concerned. Only when AI is able to match human performance will single player be as relevant as it once was.
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I dissagree, I get a lot of enjoyment from racing offline. It is true that AI is not as good as decent human driver but the offline is very important and at least you know the AI won't start bumpbing you as badly as a fair few people online do. The offline mode to me is the bulk of the game experience, you get the game structure of comeptitions with set grids on set tracks, not random races with random people on random tracks often without a full a grid. The online is important and it will only grow over time, but the offline mode is what the games about, it's what you can rely on to provide a great core gaming experince.
Online your relying on far more factors, you can and on occasion do get fantastic races, but you're often relying onwaiting until you and your mates all have some free time at the same time. Your relying on other racers not being punters, sure you can probably kick people who are, but you don't even have to do that offline. On top of that, I can win good races ofline, I can't win against the better drivers online. Ever.
I don't know, I'm not a big online gamer anyway but that's my opinion. Online will never be most important in my view.
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This is an interesting direction of online vs. offline. For me, if GT5 did NOT come with online, I wouldn't buy it. I only want online games for the most part. However, I tend to get more time in offline in racing games than I do online. However, I want to be able to pop online when I want and race with real life friends. That is when I have the most fun. Not with random gamers on the internet, but real life friends. Nothing like having a beer and racing and having tournaments with people you know.
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I think both modes are important.
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There's nothing like wanting a race online only to find none of your friends are online either.
Online to me is a bonus, but a bonus that I can live without. I've never put as many hours into any online game as I put into GT4's GT mode.
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Usually my real life friends can't be found online racing. We usually designated two seasons, 2 months each of every other Sunday, it's a planned competition. Otherwise, with 30 plus games in our libraries each, and new games always coming out, someone is always playing something else.
Mine always has to be planned, especially since I (and my friends) are older gamers with kids.
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Well to be honest, I haven't been bumped in months. It's such a small problem that I don't really think about it. As for structure, anything possible offline is possible online, though single player will certainly make some things easier. What you are describing is PD's poor implementation of GT5P online, which will hopefully not be the same as GT5's. Despite 5P's online though, it's essentially the only mode I play. When I don't find a race online, I don't even bother going to single player, I just shut the PS3 off. In every GT, single player has eventually grown boring. Especially in GT4. GT1, 2, and 3 are fired up by nostalgia on occasion, but only for short bouts. GT5P has me coming back for more (when I'm not flight simming).
A lot of this is true, but the positives of online just overpower all the faults.
And losing is certainly part of the fun. It makes it feel like a real race. And it makes winning something to be proud of. I had to handicap myself to be challenged in GT3/4. It got annoying after a while because it felt stupid to beat 1998 GT1 cars with 2000 GTS cars etc. The challenge in GT4 was picking a car slow enough to lose it. It felt like I was organizing a movie script, not competing in a race.
And you can't get intense rivalries with an AI. I'll be first in line for annual championships online, or whatever is set up, time permitting.
That's fine. Options are always good. Hopefully everyone will be happy.
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But as far as PD is concerned, no. Gran Turismo won't ever NOT have an offline mode. As much fun as it is to race others from across the globe, the campaign mode is a journey. It's long and sometimes frustrating, but everybody expects this going into it. I'll probably find the online very fun, too, but nothing like fighting my way up the ranks as I earn credits for the next racing machine.
Edit: For me, the online mode will do two things:
1. Prolong Gran Turismo 5's life (we'll be playing it for a while).
2. Show you the competition you never knew existed.
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Just to add a couple of pennies to this discussion, online racing is a nice dessert. But the real feast of any Gran Turismo is the offline single player game. No one will ever create a game in which online play is the basis for progressing through it, where the top 5% clear the game, while many of the other 95% are either pounding on poor kids or poor players to progress, or they themselves are crying for a chance to get anywhere at all. 
Just to add a couple of pennies to this discussion, online racing is a nice dessert. But the real feast of any Gran Turismo is the offline single player game. No one will ever create a game in which online play is the basis for progressing through it, where the top 5% clear the game, while many of the other 95% are either pounding on poor kids or poor players to progress, or they themselves are crying for a chance to get anywhere at all.
Hi , i agree 100% , it would be unfair to less skilled players
the future of the series will probably ( imo ) every year the release of DLC with every car released that year, and all tracks in the world and all cars ever made .....
not this gen for sure, what u guys think?
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I'd actually like if the DLC was kinda like how GT5 Prologue was, As more of a free "Update" with new cars and new tracks. Highly unlikely given the DLC market is a huge cash cow at this point in time, but just my thoughts.
It could be paid for by the car manufacturers and not the customers. If you think how many millions are spent on graphic design,printing, publishing and transport for many different brochures and leaflets, giving PD money for a new car model is very good marketing.
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It doesn't really work like that SETWAVE, but even if they did get money from the manufacturers DLC is still a cash cow. I wouldn't rule out receiving the odd car and track free, but there's no way Sony would let them release free car and track packs even if PD would want to, though I can't think why they would.
