Gran Turismo 6 vs Reality @ Nürburgring Nordschleife… (116 GT6 cars with real-life Ring lap times)

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Some brands have more/less intrusive systems, older types used to be less invisible and tried to correct with some lag. The experienced driver would try and do the same correction and the system would be almost anulled.
An example is audis esp, it will violently brake a wheel or more if it senses slip, but honda's just brushes the brake putting you back in trajectory(you feel it was you). So its an interaction of car, driver and system.
Newest ferrari 458 has a new system that locks the perfect drift angle and lets you just floor it and go for as long as you want, but all these new controls are abs/esp functions and for the regular driver/street are best left on...

 
daytona98
In Germany there is a popular car magazin called "Sport-Auto".
Unfortuately only in German language.
They got a so called "Supertest" including a lap at the Nordschleife.
One of the drivers is Horst von Sauma. You find some of his laptimes at "fastestlaps.com".
Interesting is a map of every hotlap with the measured top- and corner speeds.
And there is list of laptimes where you can see if they used "stock" or "Sport" tyres.
Laptimes
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A click on a car in the list will show you the complete test.
Then, on the left side, you can find a link named "2. Wertung" that will guide you to the map.
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Thanks for the tip daytona98 👍.
Laptimes is a very useful link with a lot of new lap times for us to check...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/members/daytona98.251796/
 
Thank you all for your nice words.

I see that many of you disagree in the basic rule of STOCK tires.
Well, you have a point, but on the other hand what is interesting for me is to check how close to reality a car is, exactly as it was built by PD.
Yes, there will be differences, and probably by some mild tuning (tires and suspension), they will be eliminated. But that’s not the point…

What I tried was to provide a useful tool for all of us. A test sheet that you can use in anyway you feel. You can, for example, use the first column “My Time 1” for STOCK testing and use the others for modifications. You can also add more columns to the right…

Explore and enjoy the game (or the simulator, as PD prefers to call it)…

As for the all aids OFF rule (someone said that since modern cars have them, we should keep them on), I think that if we had a chance of a real track day experience at the Ring, we would all turn them off, as the real testers do in order to get the maximum performance out of any given car.

On a personal note, I have to admit that I haven’t done much testing of GT6 yet.
I have tested most of the cars of the list in GT5, and I can state that many of them were modeled very close to reality (always in STOCK form).

Here is an image of some representing examples:
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I have a feeling though, that GT6 won’t be as close. The new physics seem a little “unsorted”. Hopefully they will improve over time (and updates).


Have fun, everybody :cheers:.
 
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Vag Gomez
Thank you all for your nice words.

I see that many of you disagree in the basic rule of STOCK tires.
Well, you have a point, but on the other hand what is interesting for me is to check how close to reality a car is, exactly as it was built by PD.
Yes, there will be differences, and probably by some mild tuning (tires and suspension), they will be eliminated. But that’s not the point…

What I tried was to provide a useful tool for all of us. A test sheet that you can use in anyway you feel. You can, for example, use the first column “My Time 1” for STOCK testing and use the others for modifications. You can also add more columns to the right…

Explore and enjoy the game (or the simulator, as PD prefers to call it)…

As for the all aids OFF rule (someone said that since modern cars have them, we should keep them on), I think that if we had a chance of a real track day experience at the Ring, we would all turn them off, as the real testers do in order to get the maximum performance out of any given car.

On a personal note, I have to admit that I haven’t done much testing of GT6 yet.
I have tested most of the cars of the list in GT5, and I can state that many of them were modeled very close to reality (always in STOCK form).

Here is an image of some representing examples:
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I have a feeling though, that GT6 won’t be as close. The new physics seem a little “unsorted”. Hopefully they will improve over time (and updates).


Have fun, everybody :cheers:.
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This is great and all, but here are two issues:

1) The IRL WRs definitely use ABS and TCS. I would, contrary to all the assists-off enthusiasts on this forum, say that the TCS on a car like the LFA, would give you a faster lap time. You
2) You are assuming you are as great a driver as the guy who set that WR for the Evo6 - or that you're a significantly better driver than the guy who set the WR for the LFA.

If you mean to tell me that your LFA with no assists is twenty seconds quicker than his LFA with TCS... Maybe you are that great, I dunno. You should get paid money to race IRL.
But assuming you're not that great - it seems to support Phil's case that we should be using a lower-grade tyre than stock?
 
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dtimefeel
If you mean to tell me that your LFA with no assists is twenty seconds quicker than his LFA with TCS... Maybe you are that great, I dunno. You should get paid money to race IRL.
But assuming you're not that great - it seems to support Phil's case that we should be using a lower-grade tyre than stock?
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It's just a game my friend...
(not even a simulator, if you ask me)

Just enjoy it, with or without TCS, or however you feel like.

The STOCK only and NO aids rule is there, for us to post comparable times.
Otherwise, there is no point of following this thread...
 
danielc
Can you post on my thread or pm the elise oem alignment setup and yours (if you tweaked) for track use?
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Couldnt tell you the exact set up on my Elise as far as camber, ride height etc its been done thru trial and error/tyre wear
I can tell u it has 230bhp(k20 engine), r888 tyres (sport medium???) Nitron adjustable suspension, uprated brakes.
 
psavi
People always talk of the lack of fear you have in the game compared to real life, but they often forget that IRL the driver has a lot more input and feedback from the car so, for a good driver, it must be harder to lose control than in game, I presume.
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I was terrified driving Spa but it was too dangerous to go slowly. Certain no-one that was involved in making GT has ever been in a Lotus, I gave up trying to set it up, it just wanted to swap ends constantly. I swear my car outcorners almost everything
 
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Did you ever drive an evora? I got ahold of its setup, see what you think.
Btw, k20(as in 200hp, 8300rpm honda ivtec?) on a lotus, must sound sweeet . Was that a swap? Trans/engine or just engine.
 
danielc
Did you ever drive an evora? I got ahold of its setup, see what you think.
Btw, k20(as in 200hp, 8300rpm honda ivtec?) on a lotus, must sound sweeet . Was that a swap? Trans/engine or just engine.
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Never driven an Evora. Used to have an Exige
Yep K20a and 6 speed with kpro 230 bhp, 8600rpm, Vtec kicks in at 4000rpm on full throttle.
 
Same spec as my late civic si, apart from the 1-2 high rpm shift issue, it was one of the best transmissions i put my paws on, coming close second to porsches trans. Close spacing and great ratios.
Engine is on its own league in terms of sound and engagement while driving, best sounding 4 pot ever. Great choice. :cheers:
 
dtimefeel
This is great and all, but here are two issues:

1) The IRL WRs definitely use ABS and TCS. I would, contrary to all the assists-off enthusiasts on this forum, say that the TCS on a car like the LFA, would give you a faster lap time.
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The IRL WRs definitely use ABS and TCS? Definitely? Do you have some proof of that? Because I think they definitely don't. ABS yes, because in most cars you can't turn it off. But TCS, no.

If the driver have problems controling the car, then TCS will give him better times. If he doesn't, then it will not.
 
psavi
If the driver have problems controling the car, then TCS will give him better times. If he doesn't, then it will not.
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This hasn't been true for a decade most likely. Maybe more. TCS doesn't slow you down (unless it's a really cheapo system). It's faster and more precise than the best driver. Not only that, it can do things that the driver can't with a regular set of pedals and a steering wheel.
 
That is not the point. I just put it there like an example where TCS off was faster than TCS on in a new car.

But this discussion about if electronic assists make you faster in real life will lead us nowhere.

What I believe we can agree is that assists in GT are nothing like the ones in real life and that most people are faster without them.
 
psavi
But this discussion about if electronic assists make you faster in real life will lead us nowhere.
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Maybe this discussion about electronic assists belongs to another thread?
Just a thought...
 
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My "fresh" lap times:
  • Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR Premium Package '07 (STOCK) = 7:58,5
  • Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. EDITION SCP '99 (STOCK) = 7:59,0
  • Caterham R500 '08 (Custom-SH) = 7:41,0
  • BMW M4 Coupé '14 (STOCK) = 7:35,2
The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. EDITION SCP '99 is way off reality...
Some 23 sec faster than in real life, and 22 sec faster than its GT5 version!

The Caterham R500 '08 seems better, at -14 sec.

BMW M4 and Evo X don't have real-life laps, so I can't tell...
 
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Vag Gomez
Maybe this discussion about electronic assists belongs to another thread?
Just a thought...
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You're absolutely right.

Vag Gomez
My "fresh" lap times:
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  • Caterham R500 '08 (Custom-SH) = 7:41,0
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The Caterham R500 '08 seems better, at -14 sec.
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What is with the Caterham lap? The one from the real lap and the one from the game are not the same car, at all. It doesn't matter what modification you do to it.

You said only stock cars. Are you breaking your own rules?
 
The list includes a few custom cars (replicas). Read the footnote at the end of it...
(Cars that are not available in the game, but have available and easy to tune "base" models)

The Caterham R500 for example, is the Fireblade pushed up to 263hp and 506kg.
Same goes for the Evora S, R8 GT, BMW 1M, etc.

Yes, it's not 100% accurate, but it's close...
In most cases only power and weight changes are needed (sometimes gearbox also, if necessary to match a different top speed)
 
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"Fresh" lap times:
  • Honda S2000 '06 (STOCK) = 8:24,8
  • Volkswagen Scirocco R '10 (STOCK) = 8:11,2
The S2000 is a bit faster, both than reality, and its GT5 version.
The Scirocco is way too fast (almost -21 sec).

As I said earlier, I have a feeling that the new GT6 physics are a lot "faster" than GT5's.
 
dtimefeel
If it's just a game to you then what's the point of comparing to a real car's times?
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Just having fun, maybe?
And sharing my thoughts on the ability of the game to "simulate" the real-life lap times (and car physics in general)...

Hope you don't mind...
 
Vag Gomez
Just having fun, maybe?
And sharing my thoughts on the ability of the game to "simulate" the real-life lap times (and car physics in general)...

Hope you don't mind...
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Why would I mind? You paid good money for this game!

So your conclusion after running a ton of times that are faster than the IRL world records, on the "ability of the game to simulate real-life lap times" is...?
 
^^ ...that we should probably try to make the GT6 cars as close to the real life cars as possible, if the point is to compare how well GT6 simulates the real life cars. That would mean being allowed to change tyres and other setup.

Anyway, thanks for producing the list, Vag Gomez 👍 Going to have some fun with this. :)
 
I was lucky and got to drive the real thing in a rented Mercedes 190 Kompressor. It was an incredible experience for just 60 euros for 5 laps. No helmet required even....

I used GT4 to practice before my trip to Germany and printed out diagrams of the line for all the corners in a binder to read on the plane, etc. That is a track you want to KNOW before you go there.
 
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tuj
I was lucky and got to drive the real thing in a rented Mercedes 190 Kompressor. It was an incredible experience for just 60 euros for 5 laps. No helmet required even....

I used GT4 to practice before my trip to Germany and printed out diagrams of the line for all the corners in a binder to read on the plane, etc. That is a track you want to KNOW before you go there.
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Sounds incredible! I know the track really well now in GT5 and GT6. Must have driven it over 200 times I think. Have you driven it in GT5 and/or GT6 as well, or just in GT4? How was it to drive it in the real world compared to the game? Was it as you expected, if indeed you had any expectations? :)
 

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