Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

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I guess we won't be getting an update for the last Thursday this month, which would be April 24th. Unless PD makes a headline today or Tuesday showing the possible car silhouettes, and giving us information on what is going to be in the update 1.59 package. We'll see, I'm off to bed now. I'll check on their website tonight when I get up.
 
Then we will have the usual...games dead,holding content back,etc.....crap comments. :lol:
As annoying as these comments can be, they are not entirely unwarranted. Most of GT7‘s car list was outdated at release - The newest McLaren road car is 11 years old at this point. Newest Lamborghini supercar is 10 years old. Latest Audi road car is 9 years old. Most GT3 cars have had two replacements already. We also haven‘t had a new race track in a long time.

I get that it takes PD a long time to create cars but as bad as Forza was in its launch state, the latest updates have been really good with a much more diverse car selection than Gran Turismo. PD should take notes.
 
Wonder how much that hyper car in the photo will be worth?
The going rate seems to be around $3 million, Glickenhaus were the cheapest with these regulations at $2.5m and Porsche are offering their cars for $2.9m including works support (but I imagine the waiting list for those is longer than the teams running them). The Genesis will probably fit in with those values.
 
I get that it takes PD a long time to create cars but as bad as Forza was in its launch state, the latest updates have been really good with a much more diverse car selection than Gran Turismo. PD should take notes.
"Diverse" is perhaps the wrong word. GT7's update cars are perhaps more diverse in terms of what the cars actually are.
The term I'd personally use is "relevant car selection"
 
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"Diverse" is perhaps the wrong word. GT7's update cars are perhaps more diverse in terms of what the cars actually are.
The term I'd personally use is "relevant car selection"
Whatever you want to call it, Forza gets cars like the M Hybrid V8 and M4 GT3, we get meme cars like the Hiace and Unimog. Most people will probably drive them once for the novelty and never touch them again afterwards.
 
Whatever you want to call it, Forza gets cars like the M Hybrid V8 and M4 GT3, we get meme cars like the Hiace and Unimog. Most people will probably drive them once for the novelty and never touch them again afterwards.
Depends on what you expect from the game. If you're more into serious racing, I totally get your point. If you don't take it so seriously, well, I can assure you that I had a lot of fun with the HiAce lately🙂
 
Most of GT7‘s car list was outdated at release - The newest McLaren road car is 11 years old at this point. [...]

I agree with your overall point, and this is obviously getting deep into personal taste territory.

But honestly I couldn't even name more than one McLaren of the last 11 years. They're all so same-y except for the Longtail.

Aside from the ever confusing Sport Mode, it seems pretty clear that there's a very intentional focus on the "virtual museum" stuff. From the café to the used car dealerships.I'm sure if PD wanted current McLarens, we would have them.

Personally, I wouldn't trade the 205 and Kangoo for a dozen current hypercars, but I totally get the opposite opinion.
 
But honestly I couldn't even name more than one McLaren of the last 11 years. They're all so same-y except for the Longtail.
Well imo the 720S and especially the P1 and Senna are very significant cars, not only for McLaren but automotive history in general. Like you said, at the end of the day it‘s a matter if taste but I just can‘t understand why PD omit such important road cars (same with the BMW M1, Mercedes 500E and many other cars) in favor of mom cars like the CX-30.
 
I think there's two separate points at play - the model years PD are picking, and the types of cars they are picking.

I think the type of car is a passing issue; they're clearly in a weird mood at the minute, but I don't think they're going to keep putting a Hiace/Unimog/Kangoo in every update. SUVs will keep being added, they're clearly the modern replacement for the Prius/Fit/Demio tier of cars, but the really weird stuff will run out eventually. Sports cars will happen.

I think anyone expecting consistent 2023+ model year cars might keep being disappointed though, whether through choice or not PD just aren't on the bleeding edge of new releases any more and prefer historical content. Especially race cars - other than the Super Formulas, I don't think they've added a racing car that was new the year they added it since the Sport launch day content in 2017.
 
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I think there's two separate points at play - the model years PD are picking, and the types of cars they are picking.

I think the type of car is a passing issue; they're clearly in a weird mood at the minute, but I don't think they're going to keep putting a Hiace/Unimog/Kangoo in every update. SUVs will keep being added, they're clearly the modern replacement for the Prius/Fit/Demio tier of cars, but the really weird stuff will run out eventually. Sports cars will happen.

I think anyone expecting consistent 2023+ model year cars might keep being disappointed though, whether through choice or not PD just aren't on the bleeding edge of new releases any more and prefer historical content. Especially race cars - other than the Super Formulas, I don't think they've added a racing car that was new the year they added it since the Sport launch day content in 2017.
Good points! Though it‘d be great if they could at least add „performance“ SUV‘s like the Cayenne Turbo, X5M, RSQ8 & the Trackhawk, if they want to keep adding this type of vehicles imo.
 
the model years PD are picking, and the types of cars they are picking.
Again, we don't know what "PD are picking", we only know what the end result of their choices, the brands' choices, the negotiations over licensing, the contracts, the access to model, and the modelling is.

If a brand won't let PD use a car, or PD can't arrange access to model it, it doesn't appear in the game. There's also a case, particularly with race cars, where a brand that appears on the car may not want to allow PD to licence its logo. We've seen that worked round with the DBR9 but the amount of derision that attracted at the time may have put them off that approach; T10 is currently dealing with the same response to some recently added Porsche models.

It really isn't as simple as "I want car [x]* and PD hasn't added it so PD bad".

*Usually "[x] instead of [y]", which is nonsensical.
 
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I'd rather have some 90s touring cars and road cars.
Right, that and I would like them to bring more 2000 rally and road cars to the game. Getting PD to showcase and give us what we want is like pulling teeth. And I doubt that there will be another track coming anytime soon, unless they surprise us by the end of the year. I'd be shocked...
 
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As annoying as these comments can be, they are not entirely unwarranted. Most of GT7‘s car list was outdated at release - The newest McLaren road car is 11 years old at this point. Newest Lamborghini supercar is 10 years old. Latest Audi road car is 9 years old. Most GT3 cars have had two replacements already. We also haven‘t had a new race track in a long time.

I get that it takes PD a long time to create cars but as bad as Forza was in its launch state, the latest updates have been really good with a much more diverse car selection than Gran Turismo. PD should take notes.
I agree that Forza has always had a wide range of different cars,for me personally i prefer the car list in Forza,but thats probably as far as it goes.Ive played FM23 since launch and apart from the fomo events each month the game doesnt have anything resembling a career mode,not on par with GT7 anyway.The driving experience is good but the rest of the game is pretty poor,I know you cant please everybody and the game is in a better shape than released but still a long way to go.
They were going to release some of the fomo events but thats not happened yet,its still enjoyable but i cant see me coming back to it as often as i do with GT7,and thats after 3 years.All this is just my opinion,so what do i know. 👍
 
Again, we don't know what "PD are picking", we only know what the end result of their choices, the brands' choices, the negotiations over licensing, the contracts, the access to model, and the modelling is.

If a brand won't let PD use a car, or PD can't arrange access to model it, it doesn't appear in the game. There's also a case, particularly with race cars, where a brand that appears on the car may not want to allow PD to licence its logo. We've seen that worked round with the DBR9 but the amount of derision that attracted at the time may have put them off that approach; T10 is currently dealing with the same response to some recently added Porsche models.

It really isn't as simple as "I want car [x]* and PD hasn't added it so PD bad".

*Usually "[x] instead of [y]", which is nonsensical.
Well, I believe this is why the awesome livery editor can save the day. Maybe they cannot add the car with the logos of all of the original brands, especially some like tobacco and alcohol which are highly regulated in many countries. But, what if they add the blank version of the race car they did built and let their "users" do the trick. Would this fall into legal contention?
 
Especially race cars - other than the Super Formulas, I don't think they've added a racing car that was new the year they added it since the Sport launch day content in 2017.
Closest to that happening barring Super Formulas was the 2016 R18 in GT Sport's first content update (to go along with the Porsche and Toyota) and both the 2021 BRZ GT300 and GR010 in GT7's first-year updates - both being one year old.
If a brand won't let PD use a car, or PD can't arrange access to model it, it doesn't appear in the game. There's also a case, particularly with race cars, where a brand that appears on the car may not want to allow PD to licence its logo. We've seen that worked round with the DBR9 but the amount of derision that attracted at the time may have put them off that approach; T10 is currently dealing with the same response to some recently added Porsche models.
I heard there was a Trans-Am car in Forza '23 that had its main sponsor logo completely edited out. Though for current-year customer GT cars, using launch liveries (see R8 LMS Evo and 2020 AMG GT3) seems to be fair game with regards to branding.
 
Maybe they cannot add the car with the logos of all of the original brands, especially some like tobacco and alcohol which are highly regulated in many countries.
That is also technically a concern, but separately. It's more that tobacco and alcohol advertising bump a game's rating up to 18 (or local "adult" equivalent).

Fun fact: the same thing affects the LEGO Speed Champions F1 sets, but unavoidably. The Red Bull car is the only 18+ set, because of caffeine drink advertising laws.

Well, I believe this is why the awesome livery editor can save the day. But, what if they add the blank version of the race car they did built and let their "users" do the trick.
This is what's happening with Forza Motorsport's new Porsches right now.
Would this fall into legal contention?
Ultimately... maybe not, but you'd be looking at complicating factors like sponsor-keyed liveries causing issues with presenting brand identities (with or without logos), licensors complaining that car [x] is associated with their brand and removing it doesn't eliminate licensing requirements, and so on - and the base car itself would still need to be licensed with the relevant brand or constructor (or both).
 
Well imo the 720S and especially the P1 and Senna are very significant cars, not only for McLaren but automotive history in general. Like you said, at the end of the day it‘s a matter if taste but I just can‘t understand why PD omit such important road cars (same with the BMW M1, Mercedes 500E and many other cars) in favor of mom cars like the CX-30.
The Mazda CX-30 is a far more important road car than the McLaren P1 was. The P1 was great on the track, but on the road it was just barely tolerable (which is actually pretty good for a hypercar).
 
The Mazda CX-30 is a far more important road car than the McLaren P1 was. The P1 was great on the track, but on the road it was just barely tolerable (which is actually pretty good for a hypercar).
Are you serious right now? 😂 One is a new generation of hypercar that ushered in new technology when it was released (together with the 918 & LaFerrari), the other car is a bland crossover.
 
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Are you serious right now? 😂 One is a new generation of hypercar that ushered in new technology when it was released (together with the 918 & LaFerrari), the other car is a bland crossover.
Hypercars are not very good road cars. They are built to be fast around a track – on a road they are only good at grabbing attention. If you look at Top Gear's review one of their highlights of the P1 was that you can see out the back when you reverse. In pretty much every other way it was more or less rubbish on the road. Just a little less rubbish than other hypercars...
Dude, this is a racing game. The CX-30 does not add any value to this game in any way, shape or form more than what the P1 would.
The CX-30 is a car that many players see on the road every day. That's a value that you don't get with the P1. But the point is that the CX-30 is a better road car than the P1, not about what would bring value to the game.
 
Are you serious right now? 😂 One is a new generation of hypercar that ushered in new technology when it was released (together with the 918 & LaFerrari), the other car is a bland crossover.
The McLaren P1 only has 2 seats whilst the Mazda CX30 has 5, that means that it can be enjoyed 2.5x the number of people at any given time, and that's not even mentioning the 430l luggage capacity in the boot, again over 3x the amount you get in the McLaren.

Combine that with the modern styling and Mazda's iconic Soul Red metallic paint and it's not even a contest which is the better car!
 
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