Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.44 Now Available, Adds Toyota GT-One, Lamborghini Urus, Audi R8

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I appreciate the increased payout of the Clubman 600 race at the Nurburgring.

BUT

That race is so frustrating to me. Why can't the opponents be a little bit more balanced? We've got Gallo in his ~800hp drag missile who will obliterate the rest of the field by over a minute and then we have a couple of slow French hatchbacks. By design, you can't be competitive in this race...you have to destroy it.

 

[Fernandoz]

I appreciate the increased payout of the Clubman 600 race at the Nurburgring.

BUT

That race is so frustrating to me. Why can't the opponents be a little bit more balanced? We've got Gallo in his ~800hp drag missile who will obliterate the rest of the field by over a minute and then we have a couple of slow French hatchbacks. By design, you can't be competitive in this race...you have to destroy it.

That's how entire GT7 career works

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

That's how entire GT7 career works

Not the entire career.

 

[Nielsen]

Polyphony should patch the GT-One in the next update and put it in Gr. 1. Having it in Gr. 2 is utterly and completely unacceptable.

And this is especially harmful for other potential LMGTP and LMP900 cars that could come later in the game’s lifespan or GT8.

I don’t know why you are so passionate about this. The 1999 GT-One may be more LMPish than some contemporary GT1 racing cars, but it doesn’t have the relentless performance of the LMP1 and Group C cars making up the Gr. 1 category in GT7. Remember that the game classifies cars according to their competitiveness and not outright correlation to real world categories. There’s also a Group 5 Skyline in Gr. 3. And that’s kinda ok, because Gr. 3 is not supposed to reflect FIA GT3.

 

[jonoholland29]

Polyphony should patch the GT-One in the next update and put it in Gr. 1. Having it in Gr. 2 is utterly and completely unacceptable.

And this is especially harmful for other potential LMGTP and LMP900 cars that could come later in the game’s lifespan or GT8.

They need to put all the VGTs into Group X first

 

[RacingFK7]

Gt-One: stock 845 PP (from screenshot earlier in the thread)

Using Kudos Prime data:

• Gr.2 stock max 851 PP
• Gr.1 stock min >870 PP

There is no question where the GT-One fits PP-wise. OK, I would like a distinct category that would only have Late 90s / Early 00s LeMans cars, but based on the categories we have at the moment the categorization of GT-One is consistent to GT7.

I think that Toyota GT-One PP performance is incorrectly calulated. It is clearly faster than the rest of GR.2 cars, especially GT500 cars. I thought the CLK-LM was too fast

PP on Kudospime are given at the time of car's debut in Gran Turismo 7:
Nissan GT-R NISMO GT500 '16 - Kudosprime PP852, now PP835
Honda NSX CONCEPT-GT '16 - Kudosprime PP851, now PP836
Lexus RC F GT500 '16 - Kudosprime PP851, now PP836
But in GR.1:
Porsche 962 C '88 - Kudosprime PP877, now PP843

I would like to see this Toyota in GR.1. That's my opinion

 

[Ranchero66]

I don’t know why you are so passionate about this. The 1999 GT-One may be more LMPish than some contemporary GT1 racing cars, but it doesn’t have the relentless performance of the LMP1 and Group C cars making up the Gr. 1 category in GT7. Remember that the game classifies cars according to their competitiveness and not outright correlation to real world categories. There’s also a Group 5 Skyline in Gr. 3. And that’s kinda ok, because Gr. 3 is not supposed to reflect FIA GT3.

The GR classes were supposed to be rough reflections of the IRL Classifications starting in GT Sport. They went off rhe rails with the addition of Group C cars and Gr2 class for GT500s

 

[05XR8]

The GR classes were supposed to be rough reflections of the IRL Classifications starting in GT Sport. They went off rhe rails with the addition of Group C cars and Gr2 class for GT500s

Exactly. Thats what Tom said.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

The Toyota GT-One is welcome into GT7 brotherhood by the TS030, GR010, TS050.

 

[Remy Zero]

Not the entire career.

lol...what career.

 

[Stephan]

It's looking good so far. I gave the GT Ones the specs of 596 HP and 2000 lbs.

Now I need the 993 Carrera RS Clubsport to appear in the Used Car Dealer so I can get this show on the road.

 

[ScottPuss20]

That's how entire GT7 career works

 

[CobraMJD]

The Rally race with Urus from the weekly events was probably the most fun race I ever had on the game, I don't even like Rally too much in GT, but this Urus was really good, easy to drive and drift on dirt for a rally noob like me, totally unexpected.

 

[GMW]

The Urus is amazing after weight reduction, I want more performance SUVs now! The gtone is definitely overpowered for gr 2, had to use the gr 1 Peugeot to catch it in 10 laps… maybe I’m just a slow driver
R8 looks great with the v shaped spoiler.
About to try the new engine swaps

The Urus was the surprise of the lot. I'm really enjoying it. It looks fantastic (below is my special 1000hp+ version) and it drives well and sounds great!

 

[GT PRO-AM]

You are not entirely right, we need to compare technical characteristics either in the game or in real life, I start from the characteristics of cars in real life. So, in real life the performance of the GT-One you fear is not even close to the performance of the LMP1, I'll explain why..

1 - Firstly; According to estimates from specialized publications and resources such as "mulsannescorner" and "racecar-engineering", lmGTP and LMP cars of the late 90s and early 00s had an approximate aerodynamic ratio of 3/1, this indicates a downforce of about ~900kg and is logical that with the same regulations, these indicators were approximately similar for all participants, no matter GT-One or CLR or R391. Here's a short clip from the MC:
"In general, the cars of this era were pretty downforce-light to start, especially in Le Mans configuration. Looking at data for the open top Nissan R391 LMP900, this is a car with between 2000-2500 lbs of downforce at 200 mph.Intriguingly, according to Mercedes-Benz, in a post-warm up crash press release, attempting to reassure that their cars were viable for the race, indicated that the dive planes they would be using in the race added as much as 25% more front downforce. Assuming a 45/55 split, 2000 lbs total, 900 lbs front, 25% gains you 225 lbs of downforce and is certainly within reason. Rebalanced to 45/55, and you've added as much as 500 lbs to total downforce. But ultimately it goes back to one thing, how absolutely little aerodynamic downforce the cars that were racing during this era had."
And this with a weight of about 900 kg, and a power of about 600 hp, adjusted for the handling characteristics of the engine, from this we can easily conclude about the effectiveness of LMP-GTP of those years. This is the first.

2 - Second, the LMP1 cars I was talking about in my comparison were the 2014 R18 and 2011 R18 and Toyota GR010. The aerodynamic quality of LMP1 cars, and specifically the R18 MY11, according to the above-described specialist engineers RE and MC, was no less than in the ratio 5:1, this is an abyss compared to the GT-ONe, and this against the backdrop of similar power and weight, with better engine controllability in the R18 , a more advanced gearbox, etc., there’s nothing even to discuss here, the LMP1 prototype will simply destroy the TS020’s lap time, no matter whether it was ’98 or ’99 (after all, these are basically the same cars, just with different EoT tolerances). It makes no sense to compare the LMP1 prototypes of 2014 and later years with the TS020; this is the level of Renault Logan and AM Valkyrie.

3-Third, speaking about comparing the latest generation GT500 with LMP1 prototypes, just look at Sam Collins’s reviews on PE, it is clearly stated that class 1 GT500s go at the pace of private LMP1s of recent years, and sometimes even caught the time of factory LMP1 hybrids on one lap, and taking into account the above performance difference between the TS020 lmgtp and LMP1, I think there is no point in hoping that the TS020 will be faster than the modern Class1 GT500.Just for reference, modern GT500s generate more downforce than GT1-LMGTP prototypes, albeit with a little more air drag. According to manufacturers, a class 1 GT500 car has ~1200kg of downforce at a speed of 200kmh, the internal combustion engine power of modern GT500s is around ~700hp and this with a fuel consumption of 95kg/h, the GT500 uses purely racing engines with technologies equal to Formula 1 (SPCCI, TJI and etc.), and modification of the engine is allowed 2 times during the season, this is unthinkable for modern motorsport. The base weight of the GT500 without taking into account the “ballast of success” is equal to 1020 kg, combined with impressive downforce, advanced and powerful engines and tire wars, where tires are specially prepared not just for each specific racing team and track, these cars become very fast, and despite GTA's ongoing 3-year cycle of measures to reduce the speed of the GT500, these cars are still the fastest "sports cars" on the planet, including faster than the current LMH and LMDH, which, having an advantage in top speed, cannot beat the GT500 cars in lap time on the Fuji track with its huge straight, you can imagine what a difference it will be on a track like Suzuka where cornering speed is even more important than on Fuji... And yet the GT500 class 1 cars in GT7 are not next to LMP1 but next to CLK-LM and TS020, that's the whole paradox...

I probably explained myself badly, otherwise I don't understand why you say that I fear the performance of the GT-One... I immediately said, in my post, the exact opposite: since even in real lifeit has performances very far from the cars present in Gr. 1 it was more than correct not to have included it in that group. However, given this...

1) I agree with the first point of your post because it is fully proven by technical data, but if you think about it, this aspect alone would be enough to justify the inclusion of the GT-One in a group lower than Gr. 1, alongside cars like the Mercedes CLK LM and McLaren F1 Longtail. For greater realism, it would have been better to have the GT-One '98, but with a few minor adjustments the GT-One '99 can easily be transformed into the '98 model. In any case, in the end you come to the same conclusion as me, according to which it is absolutely normal that the GT-One is not included in Gr. 1;

2) I compared the TS020 with the Gr. 1 LMP prototypes for the sole purpose of highlighting, once again, that it was correct to include it in a different, lower group. However, the cars you included in the comparison are all very different from each other: the R18 '11 is a diesel-powered, MR, not hybrid LMP1 car; the R18 '14 is a diesel-powered, 4WD, hybrid LMP1 car; the GR010 is a proper HyperCar, 4WD, almost 700 hp of ICE only, but also a minimum weight of 1,030 kgs. But each of these, like any other Gr. 1, easily beats the lap times of the GT-One, even with the stock OP engine (I say OP because in real life the GT-One in FIA/ACO sanctioned races has never, never delivered 764 hp), beats them all the more if we reduce the power to a more realistic figure of 600 hp;

3) here we are a bit halfway between real life and the in-game situation, ok the GT500s have great performance, better than the GT-One but then again we are talking about a car from the late 90s and cars from 2015/2016, it is absolutely normal for the latter to have better performance, the aerodynamic development has been remarkable, and almost twenty years have passed between the two. In GT7, the way to divide the cars between the various groups is questionable, because the GT500s should have their own group, just as cars like the GT1s of the late 90s and the LMP900/LMGTP/LMP1 prototypes of the early 2000s should have, let's say those used until 2004/2005. And instead GT7, as we have already noticed, makes a big mess in dividing up the various cars and then we have situations like this.

So, in the end... Everyone agrees on the fact that the GT-One could not be in Gr. 1, as well as on the fact that it is strange to see it in the same group with the GT500s, which on the other hand would be equally strange to see in the same group with the Gr. 1s. But it's typical Gran Turismo stuff.

 

[chebuzdatel]

I probably explained myself badly, otherwise I don't understand why you say that I fear the performance of the GT-One... I immediately said, in my post, the exact opposite: since even in real lifeit has performances very far from the cars present in Gr. 1 it was more than correct not to have included it in that group. However, given this...

1) I agree with the first point of your post because it is fully proven by technical data, but if you think about it, this aspect alone would be enough to justify the inclusion of the GT-One in a group lower than Gr. 1, alongside cars like the Mercedes CLK LM and McLaren F1 Longtail. For greater realism, it would have been better to have the GT-One '98, but with a few minor adjustments the GT-One '99 can easily be transformed into the '98 model. In any case, in the end you come to the same conclusion as me, according to which it is absolutely normal that the GT-One is not included in Gr. 1;

2) I compared the TS020 with the Gr. 1 LMP prototypes for the sole purpose of highlighting, once again, that it was correct to include it in a different, lower group. However, the cars you included in the comparison are all very different from each other: the R18 '11 is a diesel-powered, MR, not hybrid LMP1 car; the R18 '14 is a diesel-powered, 4WD, hybrid LMP1 car; the GR010 is a proper HyperCar, 4WD, almost 700 hp of ICE only, but also a minimum weight of 1,030 kgs. But each of these, like any other Gr. 1, easily beats the lap times of the GT-One, even with the stock OP engine (I say OP because in real life the GT-One in FIA/ACO sanctioned races has never, never delivered 764 hp), beats them all the more if we reduce the power to a more realistic figure of 600 hp;

3) here we are a bit halfway between real life and the in-game situation, ok the GT500s have great performance, better than the GT-One but then again we are talking about a car from the late 90s and cars from 2015/2016, it is absolutely normal for the latter to have better performance, the aerodynamic development has been remarkable, and almost twenty years have passed between the two. In GT7, the way to divide the cars between the various groups is questionable, because the GT500s should have their own group, just as cars like the GT1s of the late 90s and the LMP900/LMGTP/LMP1 prototypes of the early 2000s should have, let's say those used until 2004/2005. And instead GT7, as we have already noticed, makes a big mess in dividing up the various cars and then we have situations like this.

So, in the end... Everyone agrees on the fact that the GT-One could not be in Gr. 1, as well as on the fact that it is strange to see it in the same group with the GT500s, which on the other hand would be equally strange to see in the same group with the Gr. 1s. But it's typical Gran Turismo stuff.

This is already closer to my opinion, only the GR010 does not have a power of 700 hp from the internal combustion engine, this power is combined with an electric motor and when the electric motor is activated, part of the power from the internal combustion engine is reduced so that the total power does not exceed the conditional 680 hp, and the activation speed of the hybrid on the LMH is higher than the LMP1H, which Toyota says makes it virtually useless ballast on some tracks. Regarding my comparisons of the R18 MY11 and R18 my14, I brought them up because one is already in GT7 and the other was slower than the GT500 car in 2015, while the R18 was a hybrid in 2014, this is a phenomenal achievement for the GT500.

 

[Nebuc72]

Don't know if it's just me but I feel like the Urus is highlighting a big step forward in materials and modelling for PD, that car is an absolute step above everything in just how good it looks.
Don't think I've seen a single photo where it doesn't look straight up real.

 

[GT PRO-AM]

the GR010 does not have a power of 700 hp from the internal combustion engine, this power is combined with an electric motor and when the electric motor is activated, part of the power from the internal combustion engine is reduced so that the total power does not exceed the conditional 680 hp

Nice catch. Unfortunately however, on this specific aspect, GT7 is imprecise and only indicates the power of the ICE, and this is clearly seen in the data present for the various LMP1-H cars (Audi R18 '16, Porsche 919 Hybrid '16 and Toyota TS050 '16): for all three cars is indicated a power of around 500 hp and above all they behave as if they only had around 500 hp or so. This is evident from the fact that they struggle to reach high top speeds, even while reducing downforce.

 

[chebuzdatel]

Nice catch. Unfortunately however, on this specific aspect, GT7 is imprecise and only indicates the power of the ICE, and this is clearly seen in the data present for the various LMP1-H cars (Audi R18 '16, Porsche 919 Hybrid '16 and Toyota TS050 '16): for all three cars is indicated a power of around 500 hp and above all they behave as if they only had around 500 hp or so. This is evident from the fact that they struggle to reach high top speeds, even while reducing downforce.

In general, I’m not even trying to pull GT7 to real indicators since this is not a simulator, the most I would like to hope for is the placement of racing equipment into classes according to its performance, but even with this, not everything is good.

 

[GT PRO-AM]

I would like to hope for is the placement of racing equipment into classes according to its performance, but even with this, not everything is good

I think we can all agree on this. Of course, even with a correct placement of the various cars in the various groups, GT7 wouldn't really be "perfect", but at least it would be much better than it is now.

 

[AleksandarSRB]

I detuned GT one to 611 hp and in costume race its slower than CLK LM and F1 GTR lt. I dont use BOP sistem. CLK and F1 are equal on pace but GT one is slower.

 

[StPeterMartyr]

In bonnet view, the GT-One off-throttle crackling sounds are ridiculous, had to switch the Anti Lag System off to save my ears.

 

[lbpomg95]

The Rally race with Urus from the weekly events was probably the most fun race I ever had on the game, I don't even like Rally too much in GT, but this Urus was really good, easy to drive and drift on dirt for a rally noob like me, totally unexpected.

Thanks to GT7's weird rally physics, heavy cars are better at rally events, because they have more grip. The Dodge Charger Hellcat ironically makes a pretty good rally car out of the box, believe it or not. With some rear ballast, most RWD cars can be surprisingly competitive. With some tuning, the Urus can match the Gr.B cars.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

I appreciate the increased payout of the Clubman 600 race at the Nurburgring.

BUT

That race is so frustrating to me. Why can't the opponents be a little bit more balanced? We've got Gallo in his ~800hp drag missile who will obliterate the rest of the field by over a minute and then we have a couple of slow French hatchbacks. By design, you can't be competitive in this race...you have to destroy it.

I'm not so sure you need to destroy it. I had your comment in mind this morning so I took the Urus (completely stock on SM tyres; Normal difficulty) and won. Granted, I had the biggest goal-keeping in the game for the final straight, but it's winnable in many cars based on this I'd say.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I'm not so sure you need to destroy it. I had your comment in mind this morning so I took the Urus (completely stock on SM tyres; Normal difficulty) and won. Granted, I had the biggest goal-keeping in the game for the final straight, but it's winnable in many cars based on this I'd say.

I'm not saying its particularly hard - I won with a stock SLR on SS tires by 30 seconds or so, but its the fact that you have to obliterate the rest of the field to get to the point where you are even racing Gallo that I don't like. Other races (not many admittedly) at least have more battling with the field and actual racing. This race is basically a time trial with road blocks and then Gallo.

 

[Ranchero66]

I think we can all agree on this. Of course, even with a correct placement of the various cars in the various groups, GT7 wouldn't really be "perfect", but at least it would be much better than it is now.

An add on to this - I feel like GT doesn't do this because it would highlight how many of their cars have no real competitors in game

Like if the 80s Skyline Racecar got a class, it would be completely alone. Instead they chuck it into GR3.

Same for the Alfa DTM car, GT1s, GTEs, old school racers like the RA, etc etc. You'd have a bunch of cars with nothing to race against, or 2 or 3 cars to a class, So they either leave them unclassified or just toss them in with others.

 

[Nakano219]

An add on to this - I feel like GT doesn't do this because it would highlight how many of their cars have no real competitors in game

Like if the 80s Skyline Racecar got a class, it would be completely alone. Instead they chuck it into GR3.

Same for the Alfa DTM car, GT1s, GTEs, old school racers like the RA, etc etc. You'd have a bunch of cars with nothing to race against. So they either leave them unclassified or just toss them in with others.

I, personally, really like that you get that cross-pollination, even if I disagree on some of the modern BoP decisions it generates. It's one of the draws of the series to me.

A version of GT that goes "The Alfa 155 can only race other early '90s DTM cars" or "The 911 RSR is a GTE car, that can't race GT3 cars" would be really boring IMO. Like, we just got the GT-One back and everyone loves it - I don't think that car would be anywhere near as iconic if GT2 and GT3 only let it race cars in its own class.

 

[Ranchero66]

I, personally, really like that you get that cross-pollination, even if I disagree on some of the modern BoP decisions it generates. It's one of the draws of the series to me.

A version of GT that goes "The Alfa 155 can only race other early '90s DTM cars" or "The 911 RSR is a GTE car, that can't race GT3 cars" would be really boring IMO. Like, we just got the GT-One back and everyone loves it - I don't think that car would be anywhere near as iconic if GT2 and GT3 only let it race cars in its own class.

No one said "they would only be allowed to race with others in their class"

The point is that they should have a class to begin with.

Racing is classed for a reason.

 

[Badstdad]

Leapin' Lambo!
A winning (6:50.xxx) setup for 2 lap weekly challenge at Fisherman's Ranch

 

[lolrom]

I, personally, really like that you get that cross-pollination, even if I disagree on some of the modern BoP decisions it generates. It's one of the draws of the series to me.

A version of GT that goes "The Alfa 155 can only race other early '90s DTM cars" or "The 911 RSR is a GTE car, that can't race GT3 cars" would be really boring IMO. Like, we just got the GT-One back and everyone loves it - I don't think that car would be anywhere near as iconic if GT2 and GT3 only let it race cars in its own class.

Both solutions don't have to exclude each other.
They could add other hashtags to cars while keeping the group categories.

They've kind of done it already when we had group C daily races for example. If they added the group c hashtag then one could create a lobby for gr1 or for group C, whatever one wants. Same goes for a GT3 hashtag that could be implemented without getting rid of the Gr3 "cross-pollination". It would just give more options to quickly create more diverse lobbies and custom races.