Gran Turismo Sport delayed to 2017

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I think Gran Turismo has allowed itself to become less than relevant to modern gamers. You're not seeing millions of people watch the advertising even if they're not sure if they're gonna buy it, because people are no longer engaged with the franchise. At best it's something that they used to be interested in, but it puts out content so rarely and the quality is so iffy when they do that people have just given up buying into the hype train.

Like it or not, Gran Turismo is no longer a top tier franchise.

Most people are impatient @Imari, they don't want to wait ages for a new game to come out. That is the reason why people have lost interest in GT. Yet I find it impossible to believe that GT is no longer a top tier franchise. If people weren't so impatient, there would still be interest in the game... That's one reason why the game was so popular in the PS2 days - people weren't impatient.
 
GT does get high views on its on merit, don't think they have ads going to their own channel. If you compare their official channel to say Turn 10 Studios then it's much higher. Microsoft and EA spend a lot advertising games on TV and Internet advertising. I doubt likes of the Forza franchise, the sales they make even cover the marketing costs. That franchise is fortunate to be still around in my opinion as I think they would have likely made big losses on every title released.

GT is one franchise that seems most relevant to modern gamers. Not surprised seeing likes of Thrustmaster and Fanatec will make their best ever steering wheel for GT SPORT. Also I imagine a game like GTS will get more people buying PS4 Pro and PS VR.

Gran Turismo is still the top PlayStation franchise, bigger than Halo too which is Microsoft's biggest creation. If GT is not a top tier franchise then I don't know what is, I think it's a bit like saying Mario is no longer a top tier franchise.

Anyway GT5 did well in sales with a lot less views than GT SPORT on the official PlayStation YouTube channel if that's what you're making your case on.

Sony are lucky to have PDI IMO. GT seems to sell hardware without having a game on sale. Many people seem to have have bought PS4 for GT and now getting a PS4 Pro for GT and HDR TVs. Forza got PC gamers to now sell to, still struggling in sales with probably one of the biggest TV advertising budgets. They didn't do good in comparison to GT when 360 was higher in sales.

I think GT SPORT will become biggest seller for a PlayStation IP on PS4 (Sell also more than GT6). It's been the case for PS1, PS2, PSP, PS3 and for a sim racing game, I think they've done extremely well to have achieved that. GT SPORT looks like the most realistic looking game ever created so I think that will help it sell well.

There are a lot of assumptions there!

There isn't typically advertising for E3 announcement trailer videos. If there's info out there on an advertising campaign contributing to the FH3 trailer's 4.7M views, you'd have a point. As is, it looks like the videos for both GT and FM on their parent companies' pages (PlayStation and Xbox official channels) hit broadly similar numbers. Forza videos always tend to do less on T10's page (which isn't surprising), while some videos on Polyphony's page do very well indeed, typically because they don't have a mirror on the PS one.

You're right about GT5 having less views and selling more... and GT6's videos had far more views than the GT Sport ones. From this data, I think we can only come to one conclusion: the best approach is to have videos for a game achieve absolutely zero views! :P

Gran Turismo is the top PlayStation franchise in terms of sales. Its status as a major PlayStation draw is very much unknown this generation. Personally, I think it'll be far more successful in stores than on Youtube: I can't imagine why a place like Best Buy wouldn't be demoing Scapes on a 4K HDR TV once the game is out, even if the images people see won't be representative of the actual gameplay.

I'll agree that it's not surprising to see Thrustmaster and Fanatec making wheels for PS4, not necessarily GT Sport: the PS4 is the better-selling console, it'd be silly to avoid it. Tying it to the only exclusive franchise is also just a smart business decision: the T300 RS rebrand/repackage sure didn't require any heavy lifting.

Yeah, I'd love to see some stats on how many PS4's, TV's, and PSVR sets GT Sport has apparently already sold. It's anecdotal at best.

Very, very curious to see how GT Sport sells, as there's no real way to predict it based on previous performances. It's smaller than just about every other title in the series in terms of content (something which hurt FM5, and it was less of an extreme jump). It'll be releasing the longest time away from a new system's launch out of the entire franchise (we're 1120-ish days in). On the plus side there, it means it's also launching with the largest install base of any first-game-on-system GT title. Not that a big install base helped GT6, which sold less than half its predecessor. It has the biggest focus on online-gaming, which is apparently where the gaming world is heading (so long as we avoid the stats from Steam).

Honestly, in an ideal setting, I hope it snags a whole bunch of sales from casuals based on those pretty graphics, and has a realistic-feeling physics engine that's, above all else, approachable for all talent levels. If it can make driving in video games interesting (and even fun), that could go a long way to reviving the driving genre long-term, sales-wise. 2017 has some cracking titles lined up, and the more people playing and buying, the more games that can come after.
 
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I think GT SPORT will become biggest seller for a PlayStation IP on PS4 (Sell also more than GT6)

Despite all the bitching and moaning due to the delay of release (quite natural by the way) I think it will become a bestseller following the long anticipated release. Most of those who have been awaiting will end up buying.
I am upset also about the delay. I bought a brand new PS4 a couple months ago solely for the previously promised November release so that it would be at least one expense out of the way only to have to buy GTsport when released.

I have no desire to buy other racing games. I guess I'm just biased to GT. Not trilled that my brand new PS4 is waiting on the side gathering dust but I keep hoping to hear an announcement of release soon. I'm buying it no matter. In the meantime my PS3 is hooked up playing the GT6 online seasonals. Again, wish they would make an announcement soon hoping for January. May be wishful thinking but a guy can hope.
 
Most people are impatient @Imari, they don't want to wait ages for a new game to come out. That is the reason why people have lost interest in GT. Yet I find it impossible to believe that GT is no longer a top tier franchise. If people weren't so impatient, there would still be interest in the game... That's one reason why the game was so popular in the PS2 days - people weren't impatient.

If they're impatient, surely they'd be swarming over any bit of news related to the game? But at least on Youtube, they aren't.

GT does get high views on its on merit, don't think they have ads going to their own channel. If you compare their official channel to say Turn 10 Studios then it's much higher. Microsoft and EA spend a lot advertising games on TV and Internet advertising. I doubt likes of the Forza franchise, the sales they make even cover the marketing costs. That franchise is fortunate to be still around in my opinion as I think they would have likely made big losses on every title released.

GT is one franchise that seems most relevant to modern gamers. Not surprised seeing likes of Thrustmaster and Fanatec will make their best ever steering wheel for GT SPORT. Also I imagine a game like GTS will get more people buying PS4 Pro and PS VR.

Gran Turismo is still the top PlayStation franchise, bigger than Halo too which is Microsoft's biggest creation. If GT is not a top tier franchise then I don't know what is, I think it's a bit like saying Mario is no longer a top tier franchise.

I didn't reference sales, I was merely responding to a comment that GT is still great clickbait. The numbers seem to indicate that it isn't particularly good clickbait as people aren't clicking it.

As far as being the top Playstation franchise, that's not exactly a high bar now that most things have gone multi-platform. What have they got left as far as long-running franchises, GT and Ratchet and Clank?

As far as being a top tier franchise in general, Pokemon, CoD, Battlefield, GTA, Final Fantasy, Zelda and the list goes on before you even start to get into GT's ballpark. Check the hype around the new Zelda game, even though it's been delayed, compared to GTS.

Gran Turismo news just doesn't get people wiggling like it used to, but I'm making no claims about how that may or may not translate into sales.
 
I think PD would have to choke pretty badly for GTS to fail sales wise simply because of how strong the brand itself is.

I think Metallica would be a pretty fitting metaphor. Load and ReLoad are "love it or hate it" albums in the same way GT5 & 6 are. Obviously we don't know how good GTS will be, but the generally disliked St. Anger album still sold 3,000,000 copies pretty much based on the fact it's Metallica. I think GTS will be the same way, even if it's pretty bad they should be able to get a decent sales figure out of it.
 
I dunno. Look how long we had to wait for GT Mobile. When it arrived as GTPSP, how many bought it other than me? It was a far cry from what GT5 looked like(other than the standard cars I transferred- why oh why couldn't I transfer all the Falcon F6s & GTs I bought??!!!). A GT Mobile today, played on a tablet :D , should look as good as GT5P.

The delays and scattered info is killing the hype.
 
TeamUC4 I suppose, but what are the total sales for that by now?

Not released so far but they get bundeled like crazy and had the best PS4 exclusive opening sales.

Not saying GTS won't sell alot, it will easily but my theory is a game with Naughty Dog on the front will sell more.
 
Well kinda hard to bet without any solid comparison :)

I think GTS will score between 3 and 5 million sales. Continuing the trend set with GT6; nothing compared to their popularity and sales figures in the days of old, but still selling much better than any other racing game because 'GT'.
 
There are a lot of assumptions there!

There isn't typically advertising for E3 announcement trailer videos. If there's info out there on an advertising campaign contributing to the FH3 trailer's 4.7M views, you'd have a point. As is, it looks like the videos for both GT and FM on their parent companies' pages (PlayStation and Xbox official channels) hit broadly similar numbers. Forza videos always tend to do less on T10's page (which isn't surprising), while some videos on Polyphony's page do very well indeed, typically because they don't have a mirror on the PS one.

You're right about GT5 having less views and selling more... and GT6's videos had far more views than the GT Sport ones. From this data, I think we can only come to one conclusion: the best approach is to have videos for a game achieve absolutely zero views! :P

Gran Turismo is the top PlayStation franchise in terms of sales. Its status as a major PlayStation draw is very much unknown this generation. Personally, I think it'll be far more successful in stores than on Youtube: I can't imagine why a place like Best Buy wouldn't be demoing Scapes on a 4K HDR TV once the game is out, even if the images people see won't be representative of the actual gameplay.

I'll agree that it's not surprising to see Thrustmaster and Fanatec making wheels for PS4, not necessarily GT Sport: the PS4 is the better-selling console, it'd be silly to avoid it. Tying it to the only exclusive franchise is also just a smart business decision: the T300 RS rebrand/repackage sure didn't require any heavy lifting.

Yeah, I'd love to see some stats on how many PS4's, TV's, and PSVR sets GT Sport has apparently already sold. It's anecdotal at best.

Very, very curious to see how GT Sport sells, as there's no real way to predict it based on previous performances. It's smaller than just about every other title in the series in terms of content (something which hurt FM5, and it was less of an extreme jump). It'll be releasing the longest time away from a new system's launch out of the entire franchise (we're 1120-ish days in). On the plus side there, it means it's also launching with the largest install base of any first-game-on-system GT title. Not that a big install base helped GT6, which sold less than half its predecessor. It has the biggest focus on online-gaming, which is apparently where the gaming world is heading (so long as we avoid the stats from Steam).

Honestly, in an ideal setting, I hope it snags a whole bunch of sales from casuals based on those pretty graphics, and has a realistic-feeling physics engine that's, above all else, approachable for all talent levels. If it can make driving in video games interesting (and even fun), that could go a long way to reviving the driving genre long-term, sales-wise. 2017 has some cracking titles lined up, and the more people playing and buying, the more games that can come after.
I remember seeing some advertising for FM6 on YouTube and all the Forza trailers are around the 4 million mark so either a coincidence or are similarly promoted.

Hopefully it means the sales are between GT6 and GT5, need that to be at least the case so I don't have to change my avatar.

This time next year should know better if GT will flop or not. Can see a lot of people just buying it even if not interested in racing games due to way it looks.

I think GT is very important for wheel market. Thrustmaster seemed to get into making decent wheels due to GT, think that also was the case with Logitech. Both have worked with PDI. For Fanatec GT seems really important too to have a big enough market to do well in.

There have been polls on GTP IIRC if you want some GT bias limited stats. ;)

It will be interesting to see how well it does, I hope it does well. It will be like a litmus test for sim racing genre as on console and PC there aren't really big sale figures for racing games.

Seeing the videos of people driving at these GT stands, seems a lot of people can drive in the correct direction. I think Alan from TeamVVV mentioned something about that too which is promising. I know from the little I drove, it's quite fun to push car and easy to control.

Yes more sales in the genre the better.
I didn't reference sales, I was merely responding to a comment that GT is still great clickbait. The numbers seem to indicate that it isn't particularly good clickbait as people aren't clicking it.

As far as being the top Playstation franchise, that's not exactly a high bar now that most things have gone multi-platform. What have they got left as far as long-running franchises, GT and Ratchet and Clank?

As far as being a top tier franchise in general, Pokemon, CoD, Battlefield, GTA, Final Fantasy, Zelda and the list goes on before you even start to get into GT's ballpark. Check the hype around the new Zelda game, even though it's been delayed, compared to GTS.

Gran Turismo news just doesn't get people wiggling like it used to, but I'm making no claims about how that may or may not translate into sales.
You could argue then it never was great clickbait.

So PlayStation franchises aren't top tier? I would have thought sales are quite important deciding what level a franchise is at. Seems YouTube views is more important for you in deciding on select channels and online hype. From what I've seen before regarding hype online for PS4 Pro launch, it sounded like it will be a disaster for PlayStation. Seems to be doing rather well in reality.

By the way, forgot to mention I recently got Cardigans - Gran Turismo album CD. 👍
Well over, it has been almost top five best selling game every week in the uk.
It's also todays Christmas deal. Not looking good for me as it seems to have high sales already and being bundled a lot with the Slim. GT SPORT is not a numbered GT and GT6 got outsold by recent ND titles too. My hope is GTS sells like GT5.
 
@Saidur_Ali Oh I see GTSport to sell close to GT5 but I'm betting that even if it sells a lot (it will) I'm betting on the fact that Naughty dog are now the premier first party when it comes to sales. (and talent)
 
Any sale of a GT game this generation would be a win... It will sell on looks alone - probably. I don't think it will get to GT5 sales but it could definitely pass GT6 sales.
 
@Saidur_Ali Oh I see GTSport to sell close to GT5 but I'm betting that even if it sells a lot (it will) I'm betting on the fact that Naughty dog are now the premier first party when it comes to sales. (and talent)
Bundling I think will help UC4 win out a lot. Looking at American market, seems only options to get new PS4 is either the 500GB Slim with UC4 or a PS4 Pro by itself. UC4 bundle only $209.99 at the moment too. Didn't realise Sony are going that aggressive with UC4 bundling in that region. Unless they change to a different game soon, I think I'm 🤬.

IIRC only Naughty Dog game I played through is first Crash Bandicoot on PS1. They seem like a extremely talented studio.
 
Bundling I think will help UC4 win out a lot. Looking at American market, seems only options to get new PS4 is either the 500GB Slim with UC4 or a PS4 Pro by itself. UC4 bundle only $209.99 at the moment too. Didn't realise Sony are going that aggressive with UC4 bundling in that region. Unless they change to a different game soon, I think I'm 🤬.

IIRC only Naughty Dog game I played through is first Crash Bandicoot on PS1. They seem like a extremely talented studio.

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also wait what? You haven't played any Uncharted or Tlous?
 
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also wait what? You haven't played any Uncharted or Tlous?
I did briefly play demo of UC2 and some UC3 multiplayer demo. Had the The Last of Us + Beyond: Two Souls PS3 Super Slim bundle back in 2013 but never played either game (Yes I know the latter is by another developer), had it for like two years before my brother gave it to a mate. Never got around to playing it like a lot of games I have. Got new copy of ModNation Racers somewhere, I wonder if you can play as Kaz. Probably need to pray that he gets GTS bundled with every new PS4 at release so I don't have to change my avatar, UC4 is pretty much already doing that with the base model.
 
Honestly, in an ideal setting, I hope it snags a whole bunch of sales from casuals based on those pretty graphics, and has a realistic-feeling physics engine that's, above all else, approachable for all talent levels. If it can make driving in video games interesting (and even fun), that could go a long way to reviving the driving genre long-term, sales-wise. 2017 has some cracking titles lined up, and the more people playing and buying, the more games that can come after.

Everybody in this forum should be hoping for this very thing. Like it or not, Gran Turismo (and Forza to a degree) is about as close as we have to sim type racing game reaching the mainstream consumer. Knowing this, and like you implied, the genre needs GTS to hit that magical 10 million mark in sales that the franchise is known for.

The genre needs some type of revitalization and personally believe the name Gran Turismo has the best chance in doing so.
 
Everybody in this forum should be hoping for this very thing. Like it or not, Gran Turismo (and Forza to a degree) is about as close as we have to sim type racing game reaching the mainstream consumer. Knowing this, and like you implied, the genre needs GTS to hit that magical 10 million mark in sales that the franchise is known for.

The genre needs some type of revitalization and personally believe the name Gran Turismo has the best chance in doing so.

We do, I just don't see how GTS is the game that is going to do it. I don't see the general public getting behind this type of game in those kind of numbers even if every aspect were perfect. It's still at the core an online focused game with heavy E-Sports content.

Honestly I think the game GT needed right now with the market how it is was a less hardcore, Horizon style game. Something to appeal to the casual crowd in a big way.

We'll see, of course.
 
Everybody in this forum should be hoping for this very thing. Like it or not, Gran Turismo (and Forza to a degree) is about as close as we have to sim type racing game reaching the mainstream consumer. Knowing this, and like you implied, the genre needs GTS to hit that magical 10 million mark in sales that the franchise is known for.

The genre needs some type of revitalization and personally believe the name Gran Turismo has the best chance in doing so.

All true, but I fail to see how a game like GTS seems to be is going to make sim racing interesting and fun to the mainstream consumer.
 
Imagine little Jimmy tells mom to buy GT Sport, because he can get a real racing licence. How many parents will raise there hands for that?

Then, mom reads the fine print for little Jimmy. There will be some hard work, administered by the FiA, to train before even getting that licence.

But the game says it's from 7-77. Little Jimmy, at 10years old, is too young to earn an FiA licence. Poor little Jimmy. Dreams shattered. Happy mom wipes brow and brings little Jimmy back to reality...
 
We do, I just don't see how GTS is the game that is going to do it. I don't see the general public getting behind this type of game in those kind of numbers even if every aspect were perfect. It's still at the core an online focused game with heavy E-Sports content.

Honestly I think the game GT needed right now with the market how it is was a less hardcore, Horizon style game. Something to appeal to the casual crowd in a big way.

We'll see, of course.

All true, but I fail to see how a game like GTS seems to be is going to make sim racing interesting and fun to the mainstream consumer.

You two may very well be correct in your stance. Although Gran Turismo is still the go to name in console sim racing, the brand and genre has been stale. I honestly believe PDI has noticed this as evident of the sweeping changes that they made to their formula. Is it enough? Perhaps.

When GTS releases, it has to be spot on and complete. If it is, I think the name alone will carry it to that sales plateau if the reviews are back in the 9-10 range across the board.
 
You two may very well be correct in your stance. Although Gran Turismo is still the go to name in console sim racing, the brand and genre has been stale. I honestly believe PDI has noticed this as evident of the sweeping changes that they made to their formula. Is it enough? Perhaps.

When GTS releases, it has to be spot on and complete. If it is, I think the name alone will carry it to that sales plateau if the reviews are back in the 9-10 range across the board.

I don't have the facts to back it up but I think a heck of a lot of casual buys for a game are still done based on the blurbs on the back of the box, or the online equivalent. In the past for GT games that has been largely the same, collect and race cars in an offline career, hundreds of cars, blah blah blah. I just wonder if people are still going to buy it when the core headlines are going to be "Competitive online racing" "E-Sports", "FIA Championships" and "140 cars".

I think the people buying on name alone are not that high.
 
Everybody in this forum should be hoping for this very thing. Like it or not, Gran Turismo (and Forza to a degree) is about as close as we have to sim type racing game reaching the mainstream consumer. Knowing this, and like you implied, the genre needs GTS to hit that magical 10 million mark in sales that the franchise is known for.

The genre needs some type of revitalization and personally believe the name Gran Turismo has the best chance in doing so.

The thing is, I don't see GT Sport as the game to do it, at least not going off what we know. I don't see it appealing to the mainstream — I see it moving further away, to more of a niche, iRacing-style formula, despite the 7-77 marketing talking point. Maybe I'm wrong, and talk of FIA certification and real-world licenses and eSports events will resonate with the general gaming public. I recognize I'm not really one of them, so I don't know.

All I have to go on out in the real world are the handful of friends I know that have played and enjoyed GT in the past. When I've mentioned the new approach to them, they are never receptive. But that's a very tiny sample size!

The name has recognition, absolutely. And I think GT Sport will be used at electronic shops to sell people on the graphics of PS4 Pro and the new 4K, HDR TV's. But I haven't seen anything that suggests the gameplay will lure people in, in the same way runaway hits like TLOU or GTAV did. As ever though, there's still stuff to be shown...
 
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