Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season: Feb 5 - Feb 15)

[Moose78]

Whose dumb idea was it to sign with Volkswagen, anyways? Oh right, mine.

I'm really struggling to get any pace out of the Scirocco at Grand Valley. The best laps I've been able to muster in FP have been in the low 1:58s. I can't even win practice races against AI drivers with it. In those, I'm lucky to get laps in the 1:59s.

Wednesday could be interesting.

 

[Famine]

Despite writing all the articles, I forgot that Saturday's EMEA slots are two hours earlier than Wednesdays, so sat down for one run at 7pm to find I was already an hour late for the last one...

Still, with a good Cappuccino result and the turdrace, I got enough points to scrape 3.6m credits together.

 

[tmtk]

If you mean the results page, it gets put into event archives as soon as the last race is completed. 🍻

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No, actually I meant if there's a ranking of Nations of some kind.
I'm new to this and thought we are racing and gathering points for the "Nations" like in the Manufacturers Cup there is a leaderboard for all the participating car brands for which we are gathering points I suppose and we know which Manufacturer eventually won.

I guess there isn't one, but why is it called Nations Cup then?

 

[Famine]

No, actually I meant if there's a ranking of Nations of some kind.
I'm new to this and thought we are racing and gathering points for the "Nations" like in the Manufacturers Cup there is a leaderboard for all the participating car brands for which we are gathering points I suppose and we know which Manufacturer eventually won.

I guess there isn't one, but why is it called Nations Cup then?

Oddly, there isn't one, but even more oddly it's not scored like that even in Manufacturers and I haven't seen an official ranking of Manufacturers provided for any season in years.

Edit: Okay, so I've just rechecked as we were discussing this last year with regards to live event qualification and it seems like Nations Cup rankings are the top-ranked player only rather than the converted points system of Manufacturers or another ranking method.

As a result, the Nations Cup rankings would be:
Europe - 1 Spain, 2 Hungary, 3 France, 4 Italy, 5 Netherlands
N. America - 1 USA, 2 Canada (only two nations!)
S. America - 1 Argentina, 2 Chile, 3 Brazil, 4 Chile, 5 Guatemala
Asia - 1 Japan, 2 Hong Kong, 3 China, 4 Singapore, 5 Malaysia
Oceania - 1 Australia, 2 New Zealand (also only two nations...)

The global picture isn't massively relevant, as qualification is grouped by region. I'd expect the huge A+ pool of European players to make big points more common in Europe and the top-ranked European nations to also be most of the top-ranked globally. But...

1 Spain 885, 2 Hungary 866, 3 USA 841, 4 France 840, 5 Japan 821

Just checked back and the 19th ranked EMEA nation is ahead of the 2nd ranked Asia nation by this metric...

 

[skippyvb]

It doesn't - but that's not quite what alphabetic sorting is.

In essence the numbers are sorted as they would be if they were listed in a dictionary of numbers. Except backwards, because it's reverse alphabetic sorting.


For a dictionary of words, A is the first letter and Z is the last, so all the As come before all the Bs, and they're before all the Cs - all the way down to Z.

Similarly in a dictionary of numbers, 1 is the first number (okay, 0 is, but there's no numbers beginning with 0, so we'll just gloss over it at this point) and 9 is the last, so all the 1s come before all the 2s, and they're before all the 3s, all the way down to Z.

Within the As, "A" is the first word, as it's just "A" with nothing else after it. Aardvark is next, because it's "A" followed by another "a". All the other "Aa-" words are next, then the "Ab-" words (beginning with "aba", "abaca", "aback", etc.), then the "Ac-" words and so on.

Again, on the same basis, within the 1s, "1" is the first number, as it's just "1" with nothing else after it. 10 is next, because it's "1" followed by the actual lowest number "0". All the other "10-" numbers are next (100, 1000, 10000, 100,000, 10,001, 10,002, 10,003 etc), then the "11-" numbers (beginning with 11,000, 11,001, 11,002, etc), then the "12" numbers, and so on.

Once all the As have been exhausted, the dictionary then moves onto the Bs and repeats the process - as does our number dictionary - until it gets to the end. Turns out the zygote did it (etc. etc. etc.).


Obviously in GT, the higher the number the better, so its actually sorted in a reverse fashion and the 9s are put first - and as it turns out, this doesn't give us any trouble at all for about 90% of players.

That means we start with the 9iest number that there is: 99,999. Next down is 99,998, followed by 99,997, and so on down to 99,990. But the next value in the list would be 9,999. Then it would be 99,989. You would be looking at something like this:

Spoiler: A list of numbers, sorry

Values from high to low in GT7's eyes:

99,999 - A+
99,998 - A+
99,997 - A+
99,996 - A+
99,995 - A+
99,994 - A+
99,993- A+
99,992- A+
99,991- A+
99,990- A+
9,999- C
99,989 - A+
99,988 - A+
99,987 - A+
99,986 - A+
99,985 - A+
99,984 - A+
99,983 - A+
99,982 - A+
99,981 - A+
99,980 - A+
9,998 - C
99,979 - A+
99,978 - A+
99,977 - A+
99,976 - A+
99,975 - A+
99,974 - A+
99,973 - A+
99,972 - A+
99,971 - A+
99,970 - A+
9,997 - C

And so on...

For practical purposes, A+ drivers aren't paired with drivers at C, and D outside of exceptional circumstances, so the fact that C drivers' score values are interspersed with A+ drivers' is of no concern. It could also affect a driver maxed out at 100,000, as they'd be ranked #16 in pretty much any A+ lobby other than one with other drivers at 100,000.

Buuuuuuuuut it does come into effect more as you drop into the lower reaches of A, and at B, as you see more C and D drivers when there's bad SR at play and fewer drivers in that particular race.

Here's how a numbers-plucked-at-random-then-tweaked-to-fit A-D lobby that'd probably never happen could look with regards to door numbers:

1 - C - 8,841
2 - C - 6,226
3 - C - 4,194
4 - A - 41,932
5 - A - 36,724
6 - D - 3,418
7 - D - 3,178
8 - A - 30,450
9 - B - 29,205
10 - D - 2,900
11 - B - 28,137
12 - B - 27,902

You can see an example of how this works in older version of Windows, if you put 1-6 digit numbers at the end of otherwise identical filenames - Untitled10 comes between Untitled1 and Untitled2, as would Untitled100.

TMI

 

[SupaflyIRL]

N. America - 1 USA, 2 Canada (only two nations!)

i think i speak on behalf of all americans when i say:

USA! USA! USA!

world champs baby

 

[tmtk]

Interesting read, thanks for delving that deep into this.

I haven't seen an official ranking of Manufacturers provided for any season in years.

What is that then? And how are those points calculated?

 

[Famine]

What is that then?

Oh, interesting. I didn't know that they were within the results on the microsite. They used to be overtly posted somewhere separately.

And how are those points counted?

So... basically the same way with extra steps.

The leading driver for each manufacturer (within each region) is counted, and the position converted to points. Whichever brand has the best leading driver is in first overall for that round and gets 40pt; second-best gets 36, and then it drops by 3pt per position until 24 for sixth, then 2pt per position until 16pt for 10th, then 1pt per position until 1pt for 25th. Ties result in position points being added and halved - so if two brands are tied fourth, they get (30+27)/2, or 28.5pt each.

Best [x] rounds count towards the total (two in your image above) in each region, and each region's points are added up for the total and the overall ranking.

 

[Nakano219]

I've decided to run with Jaguar for this season. It was between them and Audi, and were I in GT1, or if the GT2 Gr.3 rounds weren't at high speed tracks, I'd probably have gone with the R8 Evo - I think that's a really underrated car right now.

But I didn't fancy driving the TT at Grand Valley, and neither Bathurst nor the Döttinger Straight play to the R8 Evo's strengths. So the F-types it is.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I genuinely think there is something not right about the damage algorithm. I’ve seen this over and over again where one car sustains permanent damage and the other gets nothing in the same hit.

So that lap 1 carnage I was in left us two innocent bystanders with aero and suspension damage while the 650 caused our damage got no damage at all. I have the replay and was wondering why he carried on and was back up to speed and he had zero impact from the crash that ruined both my and the amg race in the opening lap.

I have a hunch, after some of my experiences at Trial Mountain last week, that PD may be trying out some new approaches to penalizing who’s “at fault,” because I saw it work out surprisingly well at times. But there were some others, like what you point out, where it fails miserably. I got pitted into a wall and another car in a tunnel in Race B and we both got incredible penalties and the perpetrator just drove off with nothing. To make it all worse, I dropped an entire SR letter as a result. I think I was misidentified as the driver at fault.

I’m ok with them exploring better ways to implement penalties, but maybe not in a World Series event.

 

[dazdilly75]

Just continuing the thread from a fairly successful nations campaign, After winning round one at Suzuka, I managed a 4th and a 5th at Atlanta an Interlagos respectively. I'm an average A+ driver who usually finishes in a top 5 position so I'm very happy with finishing just outside the top 100 EMEA. I've gone with Toyota for Manu. Wish me luck!

 

[Moose78]

It seems there isn't much to do in the way of preparation for tomorrow's race at Grand Valley besides getting faster on the track. I've made a little bit of progress there, coercing my Scirocco below the 1:58s barrier in Free Practice to a 1:57.6s. That placed me in the 600s on the leader board when I checked last night, which is not as good as I'd like for the high DR B lobbies that I expect to be thrown into.

The fastest Scirocco on the board that I found had a time of 1:57.1 (ranked in the 200s), so I'm feeling like I'm getting close to my limits with the car. Any improvements I manage to squeeze out of the car in FP from here I probably won't be able to replicate consistently in the race anyways, so I'm not focusing too much on FP.

I've mostly been doing practice Custom Races, starting from P16. I'm trying to get used to driving the car in traffic at full weight. I'm consistently beating the AI drivers in these races now, so at least there's that.

We'll see how things go in the race tomorrow. I'm not expecting much in terms of results. If I can place in the top 8, I'll consider it a win.

 

[Bojador]

I'm skipping rounds 1, 3 and probably 4. I might do round 2 if I find the time.

Good luck everyone.

 

[OJBrit]

Missed the last Nations rounds due to being elsewhere on the days, so I'm ready to jump back in with the Manu.

 

[Roman_GT23]

Whose dumb idea was it to sign with Volkswagen, anyways? Oh right, mine.

I'm really struggling to get any pace out of the Scirocco at Grand Valley. The best laps I've been able to muster in FP have been in the low 1:58s. I can't even win practice races against AI drivers with it. In those, I'm lucky to get laps in the 1:59s.

Wednesday could be interesting.

Don't feel so bad. I picked Alpine/Renault based on Tidgney's videos and when I tried it a few times, it was the most comfortable car to drive. However, I picked it BEFORE the latest update which they changed the BOP. Now the car is a 🗑️🔥 to drive, and has no straight line speed what so ever. They really replicated how the F1 car drives this season.

So what's the lesson learned here, DON'T PICK A MANU TOO EARLY IN ADVNACED, Pick it right before the series starts.

 

[SupaflyIRL]

They really replicated how the F1 car drives this season.

le camion de ciment catching strays

 

[Moose78]

Don't feel so bad. I picked Alpine/Renault based on Tidgney's videos and when I tried it a few times, it was the most comfortable car to drive. However, I picked it BEFORE the latest update which they changed the BOP. Now the car is a 🗑️🔥 to drive, and has no straight line speed what so ever. They really replicated how the F1 car drives this season.

So what's the lesson learned here, DON'T PICK A MANU TOO EARLY IN ADVNACED, Pick it right before the series starts.

That's interesting. Renault was on my short list of manufacturers that I was considering for this season (along with VW and Alfa Romeo -- the three least popular manufacturers in Canada last season).

The Gr.4 Trophy car and Gr.3 R.S.01 car both had improvements in the latest BoP update -- the Gr.4 got a power increase across the board, and the Gr.3 car got a weight reduction in Mid-speed BoP.

In my testing, I saw a corresponding improvement in the Gr.4 car after the BoP update.

I didn't retest the Gr.3 car because both of the GT2/3 races that use Gr.3 cars are classified as high-speed tracks and the Renault R.S.01 didn't have any changes to that BoP.

Which car and track are you seeing the degraded performance at?

 

[Interemptor]

So what's the lesson learned here, DON'T PICK A MANU TOO EARLY IN ADVNACED, Pick it right before the series starts.

Jup 💀 Picked my manu right when the series showed up 2 or 3 weeks ago and choose AMG. In the last weeks I came to love the Lambos and Ferraris and regret my choice. 🥲

 

[Fezzik]

At least it's only for a short series. Not like the beginning when they locked us into our choice for 2 full seasons!

 

[Interemptor]

At least it's only for a short series. Not like the beginning when they locked us into our choice for 2 full seasons!

They did? Oh ok. It's only my second manu cup since I just started in december 😅

How often do these cups happen anyway? Is it every 2-3 months? And are they always just 4 races?

 

[Fezzik]

They did? Oh ok. It's only my second manu cup since I just started in december 😅

How often do these cups happen anyway? Is it every 2-3 months? And are they always just 4 races?

The full seasons have been 6-8 rounds.
Schedule has been changing - in 2022 there were 2 seasons, last year there was only 1 and a load of shorter exhibition series, arranged around the live events. Don't think there's been any announcement or indication for this year's plan.
There's also the Toyota Gazoo Racing cup which can be good fun.

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[SupaflyIRL]

you could be me and lock yourself into a manu for two seasons out of laziness and fear of change (McLaren again for me)

 

[Yard_Sale]

“Ok Yard, on ‘3’, I want you to ‘Vogue’. 1….2…..—-“
“Wait, what??”
“I want you to Vogue!”
“What the hell is that, Sara?”
“What? It just means to pose!”
“What??”
“Just act natural!…on ‘3’”
“Ok, whatev-“
“1….2…..3!!!”







—CLICK—

“Ok. Yeah…that’ll work. Now go to see Luca at the cafe, he says he’s had a cake waiting for you since your 40th last September.”

“I don’t want his stupid-[explicit] cake!!”

“Just go!!!”

 

[Fezzik]

you could be me and lock yourself into a manu for two seasons out of laziness and fear of change (McLaren again for me)

I get bored driving the same car, am on a quest to drive for all the manufacturers (so these short seasons actually help).
It would probably help me driving though if I just stuck to one - hopping from MRs to FRs, 2 wheel vs 4 wheel drive, it's not good for my results (that's the excuse I'm going with).

 

[dazdilly75]

No, this is GT1. I was looking at it because it was an incident where I got permanent front and rear aero damage.

There was a big concertina and the car in front of me got rear aero damage and this car (behind me) got this split second damage before it miraculously disappeared, but my rear damage stayed.

I genuinely think there is something not right about the damage algorithm. I’ve seen this over and over again where one car sustains permanent damage and the other gets nothing in the same hit.

Same thing happemd to me in my Race. A lobby assasin went on a 1 minute rampage from the start and just decided to smash anyone who dared ro be in his way. This was an A+ Lobby in EMEA. He eventually caught up to me and rear ended me off at T4. I accept it was my fault for blocking his extremely late braking at T4, which he would never have made anyway. He would have just went off, but he was making me nervous and followed me over to the defensive line, on the left of the track. Then he attempted to go up the inside via the grass, after that move, he went into the back of me, and sustained front end damage, but I didn't get any. It was a very hard hit, so I'm not sure why I survived? Maybe net code didn't register it from my end? When he hit me, he already had a 5 sec penalty, from his previous assaults. He ended up quitting after 45 sec of absolute madness and I managed to finish my race damage free. Here is a quick replay of the perpetrator. Again, I accept his hit on me was due to my moving right, just before T4, but I preferred to take a direct hit at the back than one from the inside which would send me spinning. Either way, he was going to take me out. (I'm the black and white Porsche)

 

[tmtk]

Let the dream continue...

Whatever the upsides or the downsides - it's the red car.

 

[GlockPants]

It seems there isn't much to do in the way of preparation for tomorrow's race at Grand Valley besides getting faster on the track. I've made a little bit of progress there, coercing my Scirocco below the 1:58s barrier in Free Practice to a 1:57.6s. That placed me in the 600s on the leader board when I checked last night, which is not as good as I'd like for the high DR B lobbies that I expect to be thrown into.

I've typically had good luck at Grand Valley. But you're right, it's going to be all about speed for the GT2/GT3 10 lap sprint.

Watch out for the walls, they seem to carry a very heavy penalty!

I was practicing today and remembered a driving technique I heard recently. While trail braking and using partial throttle to stabilize the car. Really helped out in the middle sector and the chicane after the tunnel exit.

I managed to knock my time down into the low 1:56's with an optimal in the 55's. Currently ranked 102 in FP and the 9th quickest Cayman.

 

[Roman_GT23]

That's interesting. Renault was on my short list of manufacturers that I was considering for this season (along with VW and Alfa Romeo -- the three least popular manufacturers in Canada last season).

The Gr.4 Trophy car and Gr.3 R.S.01 car both had improvements in the latest BoP update -- the Gr.4 got a power increase across the board, and the Gr.3 car got a weight reduction in Mid-speed BoP.

In my testing, I saw a corresponding improvement in the Gr.4 car after the BoP update.

I didn't retest the Gr.3 car because both of the GT2/3 races that use Gr.3 cars are classified as high-speed tracks and the Renault R.S.01 didn't have any changes to that BoP.

Which car and track are you seeing the degraded performance at?

Grand Valley Speedway (I will not call it highway lol) on Race Hards. It could be the race hards as well but it understeers badly, has no top end compared to others I tested with and I have no confidence the rear end won't step out on me during low speed corners. It is odd because it got a weight reduction so I would think it feels better. I might do the sardegna race on mediums to see if it's tires or if it's really bad

 

[BURN_BABY_BUR]

So, got promoted into GT1 for manufacturer's the other day, was so stoked, did some practice yesterday, felt like I had an ok time in FP, logged on today to find the timeslots are... 11pm, 1am and 3am?! Who's gonna log on at 3am on a Wednesday? (sorry, Thursday lol) Especially when there's 50 minutes of Bathurst coming up next Wednesday/Thursday.

Bit gutted tbh since I was looking forward to it, felt like I'd made some good changes to my wheel settings since Nations and then bam! I only do this for fun, so if I'm not gonna have fun when it's near midnight, why bother?

 

[Roman_GT23]

Retested the RS01 with mediums at Sardegna. It does feel better but low speed exits is still it's Achilles heel. Also something I didn't realize with testing for manu, when the fuel level gets low, it gets really sketchy in high speed corners ☠️