Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season: Feb 5 - Feb 15)

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peniu
I disagree with this contact being a justification to what happened after.
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I bet if you asked them they would see it differently. I agree they overreacted. I wouldn't have done what they did and I'm glad you see their behaviour as poor also. But they reacted the other way and got what they deserved. I know you did what you did by accident but it is clear that's what set them off.
 
ElectricNaz
That's actually awful on both counts. I just assumed GT1 would be better than that in terms of attracting less clowns. Sorry you had that ruin your races 😢
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The Nation Cup was peaceful for me too in GT3, Idk why this Toyota event was so Demolition Race, the car difficulty activated the demons even when everyone was a S on safety rank.
 
I'm back home and have had a chance to do some testing for the Manu Cup. My short list consists of the manufacturers that no GT1 drivers in Canada picked last season - Citroen, Dodge, Hyundai, Renault, and Suzuki.

I started with the Round 1 race at Nurburgring, doing a full Custom Race against one other car, with damage disabled. I ran a 2RM-2RM strategy with a tire change for all the cars. The Citroen was the only one that needed a splash of fuel.

Here's how things went (by opt time):
ManufacturerOpt TimeBest TimeTotal TimeAvg TimeAvg Dev
Citroen8:18.1558:21.96434:00.9738:30.2430:08.170
Hyundai8:18.1858:23.03533:59.9168:29.9790:05.265
Dodge8:19.4818:25.41634:07.1008:31.7750:05.220
Suzuki8:22.8288:26.20534:19.8568:34.9640:07.074
Renault8:24.2728:30.20234:30.9048:37.7260:06.201

(source)

I started with the Renault yesterday evening -- after a couple drinks -- which might explain why it was so much worse than the others. The combination of being a bit rusty at the track and a bit light in the head probably makes the car look worse than it is. I might go back and retest it later if I have time.

I have no excuse for the Suzuki. I'm just not any good at driving that car.

I was surprised by the Citroen. I really didn't expect it to do so well. Mind you, it drank a lot of fuel in the process. We'll see if that matters when I test the other rounds.

Given my earlier testing and recent BoP buff, I was expecting the Hyundai to do well. The only problem with it was its top speed. It was just barely hitting 260 km/h on Dottinger, where all the other cars were easily hitting 265 km/h, and the Suzuki getting to 270 km/h.

Tire tread remaining going into the pits:
ManufacturerFront LeftFront RightRear LeftRear Right
Citroen75.00%90.00%65.00%70.00%
Hyundai70.00%75.00%75.00%75.00%
Dodge65.00%75.00%70.00%75.00%
Suzuki70.00%80.00%70.00%75.00%
Renault80.00%90.00%60.00%65.00%

Tread remaining at finish:
ManufacturerFront LeftFront RightRear LeftRear Right
Citroen80.00%90.00%65.00%65.00%
Hyundai70.00%80.00%75.00%75.00%
Dodge65.00%80.00%70.00%75.00%
Suzuki75.00%85.00%75.00%75.00%
Renault80.00%90.00%60.00%65.00%

All the raw data is captured in this spreadsheet, should you want to take a look.
 
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Moose78
I'm back home and have had a chance to do some testing for the Manu Cup. My short list consists of the manufacturers that no GT1 drivers in Canada picked last season - Citroen, Dodge, Hyundai, Renault, and Suzuki.

I started with the Round 1 race at Nurburgring, doing a full Custom Race against one other car, with damage disabled. I ran a 2RM-2RM strategy with a tire change for all the cars. The Citroen was the only one that needed a splash of fuel.

Here's how things went (by opt time):
ManufacturerOpt TimeBest TimeTotal TimeAvg TimeAvg Dev
Citroen8:18.1558:21.96434:00.9738:30.2430:08.170
Hyundai8:18.1858:23.03533:59.9168:29.9790:05.265
Dodge8:19.4818:25.41634:07.1008:31.7750:05.220
Suzuki8:22.8288:26.20534:19.8568:34.9640:07.074
Renault8:24.2728:30.20234:30.9048:37.7260:06.201

(source)

I started with the Renault yesterday evening -- after a couple drinks -- which might explain why it was so much worse than the others. The combination of being a bit rusty at the track and a bit light in the head probably makes the car look worse than it is. I might go back and retest it later if I have time.

I have no excuse for the Suzuki. I'm just not any good at driving that car.

I was surprised by the Citroen. I really didn't expect it to do so well. Mind you, it drank a lot of fuel in the process. We'll see if that matters when I test the other rounds.

Given my earlier testing and recent BoP buff, I was expecting the Hyundai to do well. The only problem with it was its top speed. It was just barely hitting 260 km/h on Dottinger, where all the other cars were easily hitting 265 km/h, and the Suzuki getting to 270 km/h.

Tire tread remaining going into the pits:
ManufacturerFront LeftFront RightRear LeftRear Right
Citroen75.00%90.00%65.00%70.00%
Hyundai70.00%75.00%75.00%75.00%
Dodge65.00%75.00%70.00%75.00%
Suzuki70.00%80.00%70.00%75.00%
Renault80.00%90.00%60.00%65.00%

Tread remaining at finish:
ManufacturerFront LeftFront RightRear LeftRear Right
Citroen80.00%90.00%65.00%65.00%
Hyundai70.00%80.00%75.00%75.00%
Dodge65.00%80.00%70.00%75.00%
Suzuki75.00%85.00%75.00%75.00%
Renault80.00%90.00%60.00%65.00%

All the raw data is captured in this spreadsheet, should you want to take a look.
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I really don't know what possessed me to choose Renault... but it's done and now you've made me question some life choices. Crap.
 
Moose78
I'm back home and have had a chance to do some testing for the Manu Cup. My short list consists of the manufacturers that no GT1 drivers in Canada picked last season - Citroen, Dodge, Hyundai, Renault, and Suzuki.
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How can you know that, by the way?

Thanks in advance.
 
Moose78
I'm back home and have had a chance to do some testing for the Manu Cup. My short list consists of the manufacturers that no GT1 drivers in Canada picked last season - Citroen, Dodge, Hyundai, Renault, and Suzuki.

I started with the Round 1 race at Nurburgring, doing a full Custom Race against one other car, with damage disabled. I ran a 2RM-2RM strategy with a tire change for all the cars. The Citroen was the only one that needed a splash of fuel.

Here's how things went (by opt time):
ManufacturerOpt TimeBest TimeTotal TimeAvg TimeAvg Dev
Citroen8:18.1558:21.96434:00.9738:30.2430:08.170
Hyundai8:18.1858:23.03533:59.9168:29.9790:05.265
Dodge8:19.4818:25.41634:07.1008:31.7750:05.220
Suzuki8:22.8288:26.20534:19.8568:34.9640:07.074
Renault8:24.2728:30.20234:30.9048:37.7260:06.201

(source)

I started with the Renault yesterday evening -- after a couple drinks -- which might explain why it was so much worse than the others. The combination of being a bit rusty at the track and a bit light in the head probably makes the car look worse than it is. I might go back and retest it later if I have time.

I have no excuse for the Suzuki. I'm just not any good at driving that car.

I was surprised by the Citroen. I really didn't expect it to do so well. Mind you, it drank a lot of fuel in the process. We'll see if that matters when I test the other rounds.

Given my earlier testing and recent BoP buff, I was expecting the Hyundai to do well. The only problem with it was its top speed. It was just barely hitting 260 km/h on Dottinger, where all the other cars were easily hitting 265 km/h, and the Suzuki getting to 270 km/h.

Tire tread remaining going into the pits:
ManufacturerFront LeftFront RightRear LeftRear Right
Citroen75.00%90.00%65.00%70.00%
Hyundai70.00%75.00%75.00%75.00%
Dodge65.00%75.00%70.00%75.00%
Suzuki70.00%80.00%70.00%75.00%
Renault80.00%90.00%60.00%65.00%

Tread remaining at finish:
ManufacturerFront LeftFront RightRear LeftRear Right
Citroen80.00%90.00%65.00%65.00%
Hyundai70.00%80.00%75.00%75.00%
Dodge65.00%80.00%70.00%75.00%
Suzuki75.00%85.00%75.00%75.00%
Renault80.00%90.00%60.00%65.00%

All the raw data is captured in this spreadsheet, should you want to take a look.
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Incredible work @Moose78, I still haven't picked a Manu for my main account, because once I do, that's the account I'll be using for the rest of the championship. I also tested the Hyundai, and I was really impressed with how good it was out of slow turns (lots of grip), a bit Porsche like, but not as well balanced. I think over the course of a season the Hyundai could be the most viable of the alternative manufacturers, and the only place I see it suffering is Daytona RC and possibly Fuji.
 
tyoungbl
I really don't know what possessed me to choose Renault... but it's done and now you've made me question some life choices. Crap.
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. I did a bunch of testing with these manufacturers before the details of the Manu Cup were announced and the Renault was very strong in those. The poor showing in this test was most likely due to it being the first one that I tested. In other words, the problem was me, not the car. I expect it will do better when I test the other rounds. Results coming soon.
dkstz
How can you know that, by the way?
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You can browse the results by location and manufacturer on the event page here. Just click on the 'Local Rankings' view.

It is a bit of pain because you have to click through each of the manufacturers individually. For example, you can see that AMG had 14 drivers in Canada, while Citroen had none.
 
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Fezzik
Ugh, the 787B is so horrid to drive around the Daytona infield, but it’s pointless picking anything else for this race.

Someday PD may get around to fixing the Gr1 BoP.
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well, I for one, am driving nearly identical practice laps in the nissan and the mazda. The nissan is not any easier in the infield, but way more easy on the ears and sanity! I'll try a custom race tonight to test the tires. Of course, wednesday night, I might decide to skip if I have a long day.
 
Fezzik
Ugh, the 787B is so horrid to drive around the Daytona infield, but it’s pointless picking anything else for this race.

Someday PD may get around to fixing the Gr1 BoP.
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In complete contrast to you, I just ran 15 minutes of practice and found the 787B a treat to drive around Daytona - especially the infield section). Straight-line braking, nailing apexes and soft throttle input are key for this combo. It's an incredibly fast car but the consequences of making a mistake seem higher than the more modern cars.
 
What BB are you folks using at the Daytona?
-1 BB seems to have a good result for me. Being on the controller, I needed a little understeer because if I braked a bit early, I would steer into the inside grass. If I braked too late, I would overshoot the corner. The -1 BB is helping me in inducing a little understeer in the Mazda, allowing me to hold brake and steer into corner entries without having to be precise either with braking or with steering.

Knowing from past Daily Races, I know that the rears will wear out more than the front so -1 BB also helps here.
 
appu
What BB are you folks using at the Daytona?
-1 BB seems to have a good result for me. Being on the controller, I needed a little understeer because if I braked a bit early, I would steer into the inside grass. If I braked too late, I would overshoot the corner. The -1 BB is helping me in inducing a little understeer in the Mazda, allowing me to hold brake and steer into corner entries without having to be precise either with braking or with steering.

Knowing from past Daily Races, I know that the rears will wear out more than the front so -1 BB also helps here.
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I cranked it fully to the back wheels for my fastest laps during practice. For the race I'll probably run at 2 or 3 toward the back. This also depends on if I'm switching tyres twice which I have yet to decide.

What are your thoughts on pitting for tyres twice vs once?
 
I've run a few full distance tests now. I've tried the Mazda 787B, the Nissan R92CP and even the Porsche 962C.

I found the Porsche the most stable of the three and easiest to drive, but couldn't achieve the same level of pace with it. It ended up being more than 10 seconds slower over full distance than the others. Unless you're really struggling to control the meta cars, I do not recommend picking this.

My test with the 787B went 1 lap > drive through pit > 11 laps > pit for tyres and fuel > 12 laps.

My first test with the R92CP was also 1-11-12 like the 787B. My second was 7 laps > pit for tyres > 9 laps > pit for tyres and fuel > 8 laps.

I found the Nissan was marginally worse on tyres, but being slightly more stable than the Mazda (IMO) cancelled it out. I'm also faster overall with the Nissan. It gets a tiny bit squirrely on the last one or two laps for each set of tyres doing the 1-11-12 strategy but nothing horrendous.

I also found the 1-11-12 and 7-9-8 strategies led to virtually identical race times when running in clean air at all times. The double tyre change did set some faster laps, but didn't really compensate for the extra tyre change.
 
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Zorz
I've run a few full distance tests now. I've tried the Mazda 787B, the Nissan R92CP and even the Porsche 962C.

I found the Porsche the most stable of the three and easiest to drive, but couldn't achieve the same level of pace with it. It ended up being more than 10 seconds slower over full distance than the others. Unless you're really struggling to control the meta cars, I do not recommend picking this.

My test with the 787B went 1 lap > drive through pit > 11 laps > pit for tyres and fuel > 12 laps.

My first test with the R92CP was also 1-11-12 like the 787B. My second was 7 laps > pit for tyres > 9 laps > pit for tyres and fuel > 8 laps.

I found the Nissan was marginally worse on tyres, but being slightly more stable than the Mazda (IMO) cancelled it out. I'm also faster overall with the Nissan. It gets a tiny bit squirrely on the last one or two laps for each set of tyres doing the 1-11-12 strategy but nothing horrendous.

I also found the 1-11-12 and 7-9-8 strategies led to virtually identical race times when running in clean air at all times. The double tyre change did set some faster laps, but didn't really compensate for the extra tyre change.
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how is your fuel?
 
I could not find the time to practice a full 24 laps.
My mind was set on the LM55 VGT 4wd it drives so well. But in the 5 laps I did in lobby race earlier I was getting smoked by the 787B on the straight.

Should I just switch to 787b and hope for the best without practice. Does the LM55 stand any chances, saving a pit stop maybe?
 
fardoche
Should I just switch to 787b and hope for the best without practice. Does the LM55 stand any chances, saving a pit stop maybe?
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There are two mandatory pit stops so you really can't save a pit stop.

Quick question: in league race qualifying I frequently exit the track after a couple laps to do a couple more fliers on fresh tires. Will that cause any issues in GTWS (like kicking myself out of the race or annulling my previous laps)?
 
Pfei
Quick question: in league race qualifying I frequently exit the track after a couple laps to do a couple more fliers on fresh tires. Will that cause any issues in GTWS (like kicking myself out of the race or annulling my previous laps)?
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You can exit and rejoin no problem.
Done it many times without issue.
 
So ran the 2pm NZT GT2 slot of Nations at Daytona. A track where I'm good and a GrC car, which I enjoy.
Did a few laps practice and went a different way running BB 2 to the front. Qualified p3 with a 1:30.3. The lone Nissan (I was 787 screaming demon) was p7 I think. P2 binned it on the kink lap 1 and slid back on in the second hairpin. I accidentally bumped them as they were trying to straighten it with dirty tyres and they slid wide. Sucks but they also missed the next turn because of the dirty tyres too.

Got lapping and the leader pulled over and let me through, trying to bump draft a big gap. He pits on lap 8, I pit lap 9. Then it rolls around and another driver is catching me as we head to lap 16, but he pits on 16 while I have a 2 second lead and I pit on 17. Exiting 0.5 in front of the polesitter. We run nose to tail to the end. Turns out it was a GT1 person I raced with at other times who can't run GT1 because they're on night shift. 124 points to add to my other counting scores of 123 (both) and I'm done for the season.

If anyone is curious about lines or how I pushed the car you can watch back a stream. I was a bit erratic but maybe it cam help someone.
 
Redneckchef
So ran the 2pm NZT GT2 slot of Nations at Daytona. A track where I'm good and a GrC car, which I enjoy.
Did a few laps practice and went a different way running BB 2 to the front. Qualified p3 with a 1:30.3. The lone Nissan (I was 787 screaming demon) was p7 I think. P2 binned it on the kink lap 1 and slid back on in the second hairpin. I accidentally bumped them as they were trying to straighten it with dirty tyres and they slid wide. Sucks but they also missed the next turn because of the dirty tyres too.

Got lapping and the leader pulled over and let me through, trying to bump draft a big gap. He pits on lap 8, I pit lap 9. Then it rolls around and another driver is catching me as we head to lap 16, but he pits on 16 while I have a 2 second lead and I pit on 17. Exiting 0.5 in front of the polesitter. We run nose to tail to the end. Turns out it was a GT1 person I raced with at other times who can't run GT1 because they're on night shift. 124 points to add to my other counting scores of 123 (both) and I'm done for the season.

If anyone is curious about lines or how I pushed the car you can watch back a stream. I was a bit erratic but maybe it cam help someone.
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Thanks for sharing. Did anyone only change tyres once?
 
jenson86
Thanks for sharing. Did anyone only change tyres once?
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The driver who went long the first stint tried it. But they were losing so much time those last couple of laps each stint. They couldn't get into and out of the infield as their right rear was almost gone. But if you're good on tyre management you can try it. They were losing a second a lap to me those last couple of laps on the first stint
 
How do the track limits exiting the chicane work, this screenshot is from the top time on the leader board. If I try and exit like this I get a penalty.

Daytona Road Course_.jpeg
 
Zorz
I also found the 1-11-12 and 7-9-8 strategies led to virtually identical race times when running in clean air at all times. The double tyre change did set some faster laps, but didn't really compensate for the extra tyre change.
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I'm surprised by this, as I assumed the 1-11-12 strategy would be slower (despite not putting for tyres) with getting caught up in traffic and lack of slipstream.

I think I'd try 1-11-12 if I'm in traffic anyway or people are being a little bit aggressive with contact. If at the front I'd go 7-9-8.

Looking forward to this today.
 
Zorz
I've run a few full distance tests now. I've tried the Mazda 787B, the Nissan R92CP and even the Porsche 962C.

I found the Porsche the most stable of the three and easiest to drive, but couldn't achieve the same level of pace with it. It ended up being more than 10 seconds slower over full distance than the others. Unless you're really struggling to control the meta cars, I do not recommend picking this.

My test with the 787B went 1 lap > drive through pit > 11 laps > pit for tyres and fuel > 12 laps.

My first test with the R92CP was also 1-11-12 like the 787B. My second was 7 laps > pit for tyres > 9 laps > pit for tyres and fuel > 8 laps.

I found the Nissan was marginally worse on tyres, but being slightly more stable than the Mazda (IMO) cancelled it out. I'm also faster overall with the Nissan. It gets a tiny bit squirrely on the last one or two laps for each set of tyres doing the 1-11-12 strategy but nothing horrendous.

I also found the 1-11-12 and 7-9-8 strategies led to virtually identical race times when running in clean air at all times. The double tyre change did set some faster laps, but didn't really compensate for the extra tyre change.
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I had the same feel with Porsche, it turns so more easy, It was looking that I was doing way better than my Nissan run, but nope the time was not good.
I made about 30 laps combined, so if a C or below are reading this, my best time was:
Porsche: ~01:33.500 (BB -2)
Nissan: ~01:32.060 (BB -5)
Mazda: 01:31.117 (BB 0)

MetalApe
How do the track limits exiting the chicane work, this screenshot is from the top time on the leader board. If I try and exit like this I get a penalty.

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You don't get penalty if you go on that yellow mark and it seems that the limit distance from the white line, I got penalty when touched the grass or made a wide curve to the left.
 

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