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Aura is currently using the Audi. He doesn't stream a lot but has done a couple this season...
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Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season: Feb 5 - Feb 15)
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- Ridley-X4
Question: for the Nations Cup, when it shows my ranking within “North America,” they mean the USA and Canada, whereas in the Manufacturers Cup, they mean North and South America, right?
EDIT: Because I'm definitely seeing more than just the flags for the USA and Canada in my lobbies. If the Manufacturers Cup also includes South America, it'd also explain my regional ranking being within the top 300 rather than the top 200 for the Nations Cup, despite getting very similar scores so far. I'd say that for each round of both the Nations Cup and Manufacturers Cup, I'm scoring an average of somewhere in the low to mid 90s.
EDIT2: I had another question. For the credit rewards, how exactly is the ranking for each tier calculated? Is it by how many points you're off from the current leader? I know it's by percentage, but I assume said percentage goes by the leader's currently active points.
EDIT: Because I'm definitely seeing more than just the flags for the USA and Canada in my lobbies. If the Manufacturers Cup also includes South America, it'd also explain my regional ranking being within the top 300 rather than the top 200 for the Nations Cup, despite getting very similar scores so far. I'd say that for each round of both the Nations Cup and Manufacturers Cup, I'm scoring an average of somewhere in the low to mid 90s.
EDIT2: I had another question. For the credit rewards, how exactly is the ranking for each tier calculated? Is it by how many points you're off from the current leader? I know it's by percentage, but I assume said percentage goes by the leader's currently active points.
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I made a grave mistake picking the Ferrari, and it reared it's ugly head last night at Deep Forest.
My one and only race I was optimistic but it got shot down quick in the multiplayer practice lobbies. I was expecting to qualify mid pack at least, but I put in a ringer and qualified 4th. Since I was in the front I opted for softs, but everyone chose mediums
. This was my first mistake. While I was able to keep up with them and managed the tires well, it was the wrong strategy. My 2nd eye opener was the opening laps. I had a Toyota and Ford GT in front of me. I would get a slightly better exit onto the long straight in the hairpin and literally be glued to their rear bumper, but they easily gapped me by about .3 by the brake zone into the hairpin. The 3rd eye opener was the terrible tire life on the Ferrari. In the practice lobbies I only got 9 laps. Maybe 10 if I was careful while others were able to get 11-13 laps out of a set of softs. The other eye opener later in the race was I was battling a Porsche. It got a bad drive off the corner and I was pulling on him. After the first tunnel. The Porsche was pulling on me unassisted. What the heck! I thought the Ferrari was fast on the straights.
My strategy plummeted me to P9 but was able to claw back to P7 due to the soft runners running out of tires and me picking them off. I'm waiting for my stream to fully load but the last lap was a dog fight.
Anyways back to my mistake. I think I shot myself in the foot. In my testing I had the Ferrari being faster on the straights but this was not the case in the few races I've done. I won't be able to make Suzuka on Saturday, and the remaining races (Daytona and Fuji) rely on straight line speed and power more than handling prowless. Guess it's curtains for me this go around
My one and only race I was optimistic but it got shot down quick in the multiplayer practice lobbies. I was expecting to qualify mid pack at least, but I put in a ringer and qualified 4th. Since I was in the front I opted for softs, but everyone chose mediums
. This was my first mistake. While I was able to keep up with them and managed the tires well, it was the wrong strategy. My 2nd eye opener was the opening laps. I had a Toyota and Ford GT in front of me. I would get a slightly better exit onto the long straight in the hairpin and literally be glued to their rear bumper, but they easily gapped me by about .3 by the brake zone into the hairpin. The 3rd eye opener was the terrible tire life on the Ferrari. In the practice lobbies I only got 9 laps. Maybe 10 if I was careful while others were able to get 11-13 laps out of a set of softs. The other eye opener later in the race was I was battling a Porsche. It got a bad drive off the corner and I was pulling on him. After the first tunnel. The Porsche was pulling on me unassisted. What the heck! I thought the Ferrari was fast on the straights.My strategy plummeted me to P9 but was able to claw back to P7 due to the soft runners running out of tires and me picking them off. I'm waiting for my stream to fully load but the last lap was a dog fight.
Anyways back to my mistake. I think I shot myself in the foot. In my testing I had the Ferrari being faster on the straights but this was not the case in the few races I've done. I won't be able to make Suzuka on Saturday, and the remaining races (Daytona and Fuji) rely on straight line speed and power more than handling prowless. Guess it's curtains for me this go around
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I did 3 races last night, one on each account, all GT2.
Main: Aston Martin Vanquish Q10 P8. Top 11 qualified within 1.11. I went 11M-9S hoping the softs would help toward the end.
Main Alt: Jaguar Q13-P7. Top 13 qualified within 1.2. Same strategy as my main 11M-9S.
Alt Alt: AMG '20 Q10-P6. Again, top 11 within 1.0. This time I went 10M-10S.
Besides the one dummy in my Main race that bumped to pass everyone everywhere and then rage quit when someone paid him back, I have to say that this was some of the best racing I have had in a long time. On my Alt Alt, I and someone in a GTR had a great battle at the end of the race. I slowly started catching him after pitting and for laps 16-20 we battled and switched places (without touching!) a couple of times until he finally got me back on the last hairpin and claimed P5 by .024. I probably should have had at least P5 but I kept getting track penalties all race....
I really enjoyed the racing tonight. Too bad I am going to miss Saturday. Good luck everyone!
One thing I did notice on this track, if you can slow down and hug the inside on T1, it is pretty hard for someone behind you to take your spot (at least in my GT2 races)
Main: Aston Martin Vanquish Q10 P8. Top 11 qualified within 1.11. I went 11M-9S hoping the softs would help toward the end.
Main Alt: Jaguar Q13-P7. Top 13 qualified within 1.2. Same strategy as my main 11M-9S.
Alt Alt: AMG '20 Q10-P6. Again, top 11 within 1.0. This time I went 10M-10S.
Besides the one dummy in my Main race that bumped to pass everyone everywhere and then rage quit when someone paid him back, I have to say that this was some of the best racing I have had in a long time. On my Alt Alt, I and someone in a GTR had a great battle at the end of the race. I slowly started catching him after pitting and for laps 16-20 we battled and switched places (without touching!) a couple of times until he finally got me back on the last hairpin and claimed P5 by .024. I probably should have had at least P5 but I kept getting track penalties all race....
I really enjoyed the racing tonight. Too bad I am going to miss Saturday. Good luck everyone!
One thing I did notice on this track, if you can slow down and hug the inside on T1, it is pretty hard for someone behind you to take your spot (at least in my GT2 races)
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- Lewmatic
- Lewmatic617
Lap 1 curse strikes again. .5 sec penalty which was no big deal but got bump in the rear as the driver in front of me parked it on the apex of the hairpin getting me damage. Tired to chase down 8th the last few laps but left rear tires wear was past the mid point for me the push any harder. Finished P10 from P11. Hope I can get something going my way at Suzuka because Daytona and Fuji is not good for this car...
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- Rotterdam
- mcl-1974-2
Well, what to say about yesterday's race...
Got home about 10 minutes before the last slot started, not even time to get out of uniform.
Qualifying did not go well, could not find the speed and ended sixth with a lap almost a second slower then my best practice lap.
So slapped on the mediums and decided that it was most important to stay out of trouble.
I kept my place at the start and watch the cars in front of me starting to fight each other. Soon enough I got envolved whether I wanted to or not. They were all over the place and meanwhile the car in front got away on what turned out to be softs
It really was hectic and no fun, got hit so many times. below one is one of many incidents. It was in lap three, I think, and that Ferrari already had damage at every angle of his car but could still compete. I saw so many drivers trying to take each other out and me also, it was ridiculous. Got shoved into the barriers several times and concidered quitting the race.
The fighting kept on till lap 10. Fortunately the Ferrari crashed by himself but An Audi was also constantly around me, the driver was fast but a bit aggresive and picked up a track-limit penalty almost every lap. In the end I accidentally hit him in the rear which costed him a few seconds and I got rid of him. I should have had a penalty for that, to be honest, but there is no penalty system anymore it seems. And because of his previous actions I had no pitty....
Lap 10 I went for softs and the Aston Martin in first position came in for his mediums. He was just shy of 10 seconds in front. But then I drove pretty much the best laps I ever did in this game. Soon I was in second place and I gained around a second a lap on him. I was having fun again. I was strong in the first sector and lap 18 I was right behind him and when he got wide I tried to pass on his inside:
Could not believe what he did. In the replay I could see that he steered to his right to shove me. I was not happy...
I catched up with him a lap later and tried another overtake. But not a very good one, I made contact and although I got in front I hesitated for a second because it was not a clean move. Should have just continued because he shoved me aside and it was race over...
I probably could have had second place but was fed up and cruised to the finish line, think pretty much last place. Congrats to the Frenchmen for the hollow victory. For me it back to low B after two bad races.
It baffles me that the penalty system is so much worse then it was in GTS, if a car steers to his right into another car when the corner goes to the left then even the most simple system should recognise this as shoving or pushing? oh well....
Got home about 10 minutes before the last slot started, not even time to get out of uniform.
Qualifying did not go well, could not find the speed and ended sixth with a lap almost a second slower then my best practice lap.
So slapped on the mediums and decided that it was most important to stay out of trouble.
I kept my place at the start and watch the cars in front of me starting to fight each other. Soon enough I got envolved whether I wanted to or not. They were all over the place and meanwhile the car in front got away on what turned out to be softs
It really was hectic and no fun, got hit so many times. below one is one of many incidents. It was in lap three, I think, and that Ferrari already had damage at every angle of his car but could still compete. I saw so many drivers trying to take each other out and me also, it was ridiculous. Got shoved into the barriers several times and concidered quitting the race.
The fighting kept on till lap 10. Fortunately the Ferrari crashed by himself but An Audi was also constantly around me, the driver was fast but a bit aggresive and picked up a track-limit penalty almost every lap. In the end I accidentally hit him in the rear which costed him a few seconds and I got rid of him. I should have had a penalty for that, to be honest, but there is no penalty system anymore it seems. And because of his previous actions I had no pitty....
Lap 10 I went for softs and the Aston Martin in first position came in for his mediums. He was just shy of 10 seconds in front. But then I drove pretty much the best laps I ever did in this game. Soon I was in second place and I gained around a second a lap on him. I was having fun again. I was strong in the first sector and lap 18 I was right behind him and when he got wide I tried to pass on his inside:
Could not believe what he did. In the replay I could see that he steered to his right to shove me. I was not happy...
I catched up with him a lap later and tried another overtake. But not a very good one, I made contact and although I got in front I hesitated for a second because it was not a clean move. Should have just continued because he shoved me aside and it was race over...
I probably could have had second place but was fed up and cruised to the finish line, think pretty much last place. Congrats to the Frenchmen for the hollow victory. For me it back to low B after two bad races.
It baffles me that the penalty system is so much worse then it was in GTS, if a car steers to his right into another car when the corner goes to the left then even the most simple system should recognise this as shoving or pushing? oh well....
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- AdxRE8
EMEA GT1 Slot #3 - 287 points lobby, Door #16
My first race of the season after missing the first 2 rounds. Didn’t really expect results anywhere close to the exhibition season with the serial nerfs that the McLaren got and my general lack of practice time.
The lobby was incrediblely quick with pole at 1:25.2, and my 1:25.8 was only enough for 10th on the grid.
1st part of the race was mostly clean, quite a bit of defending needed with my lack of acceleration out of slow corners.
The whole field bar 1 BMW started on RM and I stayed out til lap 9 for the switch to RS. That put me down to 11th and by the time I caught up to those early pitters on worn tyres, I ran out of laps and therefore can only settle for P8, only 13s off P1.
Hoping for a better next round!
My first race of the season after missing the first 2 rounds. Didn’t really expect results anywhere close to the exhibition season with the serial nerfs that the McLaren got and my general lack of practice time.
The lobby was incrediblely quick with pole at 1:25.2, and my 1:25.8 was only enough for 10th on the grid.
1st part of the race was mostly clean, quite a bit of defending needed with my lack of acceleration out of slow corners.
The whole field bar 1 BMW started on RM and I stayed out til lap 9 for the switch to RS. That put me down to 11th and by the time I caught up to those early pitters on worn tyres, I ran out of laps and therefore can only settle for P8, only 13s off P1.
Hoping for a better next round!
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- East Yorkshire
- Zorzil
There will be rain. This Suzuka round is one we've seen twice before and after doing laps in free practice it appears to have the exact same slow-moving weather pattern as the previous runs.
The first time it appeared was the Manufacturers final at Amsterdam last August. It then turned up with a very slight rules change in an exhibition season back in September, making it Hards only rather than the Mediums/Hards combo that the GTWS finals used. The weather pattern had not changed though. It was identical to the live final.
GT1 will see it go dry > wet > dry as it's a 35 lap endurance race for us. GT2/3 will presumably have a dry start and a few laps of rain to finish off the shorter 15 lap variant.
For GT1:
- Spoon will start getting wet on lap 10, but not enough to cause a problem for slicks. The rest of the track will remain dry.
- On lap 11, Spoon will become too wet for slicks to run normally. It can still be done but will require caution. The rest of the track is still dry.
- On lap 12, Spoon requires extreme caution if you're still out on slicks. The rain is now slowly spreading towards the hairpin and 130R.
- Staying out on slicks into lap 13 is lethal and the rain will continue to move across the course over the following laps until everything is wet.
GT2/3 ran this combo in Group 3 before but is using Group 4 this time, so it might be necessary to shift those estimates one lap earlier to account for the slower cars.
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I think GT2/GT3 folks are getting the exact same weather as GT1 folks. I ran a practice session. See the screenshots below.
Lap 10: Spoon is wet. Still doable in AWD on RH despite the wet meter being over 1/3rd. Drivability score 8/10. Rest of track dry.
Lap 11: I could not make it around the Spoon without going off track but with more caution, I could have made it around. Drivability score 5/10. Rest of track dry.
Lap 12: Dry track until the hairpin. The hairpin was wet but still drivable on RH. But I could not even make it to the spoon without going off track at 200R (the turn you see coming in the screenshot below).
So, GT2/GT3 has two strategies:
1. Take it easy on lap 10 spoon. Crawl on lap 11 spoon. Pit at end of lap 11. Faster but riskier.
2. Take it easy on lap 10 spoon. Pit at end of lap 11.
I am happy that I am possibly going to experience a partially wet track for first time in my gaming life.
Lap 10: Spoon is wet. Still doable in AWD on RH despite the wet meter being over 1/3rd. Drivability score 8/10. Rest of track dry.
Lap 11: I could not make it around the Spoon without going off track but with more caution, I could have made it around. Drivability score 5/10. Rest of track dry.
Lap 12: Dry track until the hairpin. The hairpin was wet but still drivable on RH. But I could not even make it to the spoon without going off track at 200R (the turn you see coming in the screenshot below).
So, GT2/GT3 has two strategies:
1. Take it easy on lap 10 spoon. Crawl on lap 11 spoon. Pit at end of lap 11. Faster but riskier.
2. Take it easy on lap 10 spoon. Pit at end of lap 11.
I am happy that I am possibly going to experience a partially wet track for first time in my gaming life.
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- East Yorkshire
- Zorzil
That is the exact same weather pattern we've got in GT1. That also confirms my theory about GT2/3 then, you will get it about one lap earlier than we do in GT1 due to the cars being slower.
The track dampness gauge on your lap 10 looks like my lap 11, and your lap 11 looks like my lap 12.
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Apparently the Honda is going to do very well... not bcause I drive it but I set up a practice session tonight and altough there are only 135 Honda racers in GT2 half the grid was full of Honda's and I suspect most were in Alt Accounts.
I hate this sharade, sure I understand it: GT1 is a 90 min affair and you guys only have 3 slots and yes; group 4 IS a lot of fun and maybe there are some folks who don't like to play fair (ask any golf player about handicaps), but man... do the rest of us get our day in the sun as well?
I can't join GT1...! Make that possible for me too, and I'll shut up.
4 drivers all "C" rated doing 2:10's 2:12's in the Honda... am I really that slow (haven't checked leaderboard so genuine question) or are these guys on Alts? I dunno...
PD: no need to continue with this GT league stuff. As far as I'm concerned you can shuffle us all back together. Oh, and while your at it: please allow outside parties like Kudos to access your data again. It was so much more fun seeing and sifting through the standing/tt's and what not.
Rant finished. You can go back to your normal routine now and ignore me. I'll be over there in the corner moping around.
I hate this sharade, sure I understand it: GT1 is a 90 min affair and you guys only have 3 slots and yes; group 4 IS a lot of fun and maybe there are some folks who don't like to play fair (ask any golf player about handicaps), but man... do the rest of us get our day in the sun as well?
I can't join GT1...! Make that possible for me too, and I'll shut up.
4 drivers all "C" rated doing 2:10's 2:12's in the Honda... am I really that slow (haven't checked leaderboard so genuine question) or are these guys on Alts? I dunno...
PD: no need to continue with this GT league stuff. As far as I'm concerned you can shuffle us all back together. Oh, and while your at it: please allow outside parties like Kudos to access your data again. It was so much more fun seeing and sifting through the standing/tt's and what not.
Rant finished. You can go back to your normal routine now and ignore me. I'll be over there in the corner moping around.
Would you advise Rain or Intermediate tyres?
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- Zorzil
Intermediates. The conditions will be peaking about the time your race ends, and they get up to the crossover line for Intermediates/Wets at their absolute worst.
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- mcl-1974-2
There is an unfortunate issue with the leagues; there are those who want easy wins and the method is simple: say you are B level then join a daily race, create some havoc to get penalties and get yourself demoted to a lower level like C. Then sign in for the series in Gt 3 and you get in a league that is below your standard. Same for A drivers getting themselves into GT 2.
And then you might get a few easy wins. Only issue is you are not the only one there:
I had one season in Gt3 and the top was all A-level drivers (or high B) that were seconds faster then the rest. I was in a race with them and they were out of sight in no time leaving only the scraps to us mortals.
It's the same in Gt 2, the top are A level drivers that are demoted, in most cases voluntary, either to score easy wins or in some cases because of the increase in time slots that come available as Gt 1 only has three which is incnvenient to some. Others like to do Gr 4 cars too or like the shorter races.
Could partly be solved by having seperate DR/SR that are not influenced by the daily races, I think. But you will always have drivers purposely lowering their DR and / or using alternate accounts for the easy wins, same happened in GTS.
For example: I saw a mid C level driver that had about 600 races with more then 300 wins. I raced him and I can guarantee you he was much faster and not driving fair....if you got in his way he would simply shove you off.
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- East Yorkshire
- Zorzil
Considering how there are complaints about the league setups from both sides, GT2/3 players wanting the longer races and GT1 players who don't, I'd propose switching things up entirely and half reverting back to how things were in GT Sport. Also tie in the discussions from a few pages back about the problems with the setup.
Three leagues in each championship, and signing for one immediately locks you in to that and removes the others.
GTWS Qualification
Only available if you're at 80k+ DR when a season starts. Very few timeslots per race and the most serious settings - heavy damage, long races etc.
Due to how few people should be in this per region, give the races human stewards like at the live events to prevent all the issues and drama the recent disqualifications have caused. All rounds are counted towards the final total, so no more getting a few good results early in a season then disappearing to protect your chances by artificially dropping the points available for others. If you're trying to qualify for the live events, you should damn well have to fight for it.
Endurance
Similar to the current GT1 setup, but available to everyone and with 10 timeslots per race to make it more accessible to the average player than GT1 is now. Group 3 only in Manufacturers and longer races, at least 45 minutes+.
Short
Similar to the current GT2/3 setup, but available to everyone. Mixed Group 3/4 in Manufacturers and shorter races, up to 30 minutes.
Let people pick what they want on a season-by-season basis. Busy schedule and doing the longer races will be tough, or you fancy some Group 4? Go for the Short league. Want the more intense races? Go for the Endurance league.
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I am do Gt1 and I also Do Gt2. I sometime can not make the gt1 race but I can always make a Gt2 race.
TBH if they gave me slots every two hours though out the day especailly on saturday and a 6pm slot I would stop doing Gt2 at all. Gt1 is WAY cleaner.
I get the two hour gap consider that suzuka Gt1 race will be way over an hour in Gt1.
Not sure why endurance has to be gr3 only.
What really sucks for me, is I am A+ in gr4, but like maybe B in Gr3.
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I agree that it is unfortunate that the system incentivizes this behavior. I would be in favor of whatever system allows people to A. race in epic races against other drivers of similar skill levels and B. have it mean something (credits, whatever). It’s clearly broken to see A and A+ level drivers in GT3 and for that matter in GT2 (there are a few).
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- Germany
Damn it! I've never driven the Cayman in the wet before!
Even if i manage to do a wet practive race tonight, all rwd cars will be like dead moles compared to awd cars in a wet race on saturday!
Yesterday i had a little test run with the Cayman (in the dry of course!) and like every time before, the 2 Degners are killing me! I constantly find new ways of failing.
I've watched the lap of the fasted driver so far. He was also in a Cayman. He went thru 130R without breaking, just a little lift. I tried to copy it ... no chance!
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YES! I also think that separate GTWS league for aliens is great idea!
But I'm not sure about separating short races to own league... Maybe let's leave short races for dailies? In the end it's championship! It should be little harder, than simple daily races.
And maybe if we would have unified settings for all "normal" leagues there wouldn't be so much sandbagging and dropping to lower leagues?
My vision for championships is like that:
- more rounds (minimum 8) and more than half of them counted for final result (5 of 8 in this case minimum)
- back to gr4/3 mix
- mixed length of races (few short rounds, few longer ones so people can something in their flavor)
- slot every 2 hours all day
- no heavy damage (but also no heavy ghosting which works randomly)
- big differences in credit payout across leagues, so people would have motivation to start higher leagues
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- Andover, Hampshire
- ElectricNaz
Because it's a day early I've no idea if this is good or not.... But I'm genuinely quite proud of this lap.
If it is good, I've just gotta do it in Qualy, then again 15 times during the race....!!!
The guy in 10th I know from experience is bloody good, so that gives me a bit of a benchmark
If it is good, I've just gotta do it in Qualy, then again 15 times during the race....!!!
The guy in 10th I know from experience is bloody good, so that gives me a bit of a benchmark
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- mcl-1974-2
well laid out. Personally I would like to have both gr3 and gr 4 cars combined back for all leagues. This because you get more brands selected and it prefends that everyone in the top league is showing up in the same top gr3 car. With both gr3 and gr4 races you will have to select a manufacturer
share your vision pasted above, in my view this one would be close to perfection.
Only thing for me to add would be to have 1 round per week for each series and not the current 2 per week. So 1 race for Nations on Wednesday and 1 race for Manu on Saturday or vica versa.
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- MetalApeRacer
I pretty much agree with all that, exactly how I'd like it setup.
In addition I'd like to have a few side leagues running with different themes for our different tastes.
- Super Formula: 30 minute races on F1 tracks + other suitable venues
- Historics: Mixed duration, use BoP to mix up a few of the classic historics in the game. Focused on the classic old circuits, Monza, Spa, Goodwood, Watkins Glen etc. Maybe each season could focus on a different era.
- Sports car Enduros: GT1/2/3 & 4. 1 hour plus races with interesting strategy options
- Touring cars: Use GT4 as the closest option. Each event features 2 or 3 short races run back to back on the shorter more club like circuits. Grid for 2nd & 3rd races could use a scheme such as result of previous race, or reversing top n positions.
- Single make: 20 minute races, aimed at performance road cars. Different car for each season.
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Welcome to the Scuderia Ferrari team 🇮🇹😎🇮🇹 We are on the same hard path... I was tempted by great agility, nice traction and sound of this car. As expected Ferrari was monster on Interlagos and I got great result there.I made a grave mistake picking the Ferrari, and it reared it's ugly head last night at Deep Forest.
My one and only race I was optimistic but it got shot down quick in the multiplayer practice lobbies. I was expecting to qualify mid pack at least, but I put in a ringer and qualified 4th. Since I was in the front I opted for softs, but everyone chose mediums
My strategy plummeted me to P9 but was able to claw back to P7 due to the soft runners running out of tires and me picking them off. I'm waiting for my stream to fully load but the last lap was a dog fight.
Anyways back to my mistake. I think I shot myself in the foot. In my testing I had the Ferrari being faster on the straights but this was not the case in the few races I've done. I won't be able to make Suzuka on Saturday, and the remaining races (Daytona and Fuji) rely on straight line speed and power more than handling prowless. Guess it's curtains for me this go around
Even on deep forest, when I was doing TT runs it felt great! I was able to make top 1000 time, so not bad for me. But in the race... OMG... tires... It was nightmare! When rears went down under the half this car just got crazy. In section before tunnels I had to go on half-throttle and very safe line, because I felt it will spin immediately. Of course I've been caught by opponents instantly and it was over... Oh, and I spun... on the last corner... Race to forget.
Anyway, I hope Suzuka will be more successful for us, and I'm aware that Daytona is also bad field for fight for our Italian pony, but I'm not sure about Fuji. Beside that endless straight there are fast high-downforce corners and tricky last sector where Ferrari can showoff, and tire-wear isn't issue in that round. So maybe there is a chance?
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IMO having Gr3 & Gr4 cars required actually REDUCES the amount of Manus picked, not increases it. There are some Gr4 cars that are just horrid, so when those go out of the equation it increases the amount of Manus being picked since the Gr4 car is no longer a concern. Think BMW, Audi, Peugeot, VW, or Porsche (I realize the Cayman is decent now but it used to be a slug) where the Gr3 cars are good but Gr4 cars are bad. I've seen all these Manus in races (less VW) where otherwise probably not so much.
Back when GT1 was Gr3 and Gr4 you'd rarely see any of the above because the Gr4 car is so bad, but now BMWs and R8s are abundent. IMO, the variety of Manus in GT1 is pretty good. It used to be basically nothing but Toyotas, Nissans and McLarens since they are strong in both categories.
I think PD's track/tire choices jumble up the Manus more than anything. This season is a perfect example. Cars like the Porsche/Audi are good for most tracks, but will suffer at Daytona. Cars like the Chevy/Toyota will be very good at some but struggle at others (Suzuka and Fuji in the rain for example). Ferrari/Audi great at Nord and Interlagos, but might as well stay at home for Daytona and likely struggle at Fuji too because of the long straight. Yadda yadda yadda.
In fairness, the BoP is in a much better place than it used to be; I actually think it's pretty darn good in Gr3 and really good in Gr4. But, I for one, do no miss the Gr4 cars at all.
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I don't mind the Gr.4 cars but there is still a problem with the BoP that some cars are still slow and other cars have advantage because of 4WD etc
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I've come to the conclusion that the Porsche is no longer a tire friendly car. All the cars behind had better tires than me, including the Renault that would eventually get by; and it wasn't even close. Admittedly, I didn't check to see when they all pitted but the strat was pretty much the same for most, 8/12. But, I began to suspect something when I was doing Daytona testing and the Ford GT LM II was better on tires (and gas!!!) than the Porsche. Kinda bummer as that was one of the reasons I picked this car. Anyone else noticing the same or is it just me?
A couple more shots from Wed.
This was either lap 19 or 20, battle for P7:
I certainly lost a bunch of time and places getting pushed around by a red Ferrari and white Porsche (not the one pictured here) so I don't even feel bad about getting a freebie with two to go. This Mazda started behind me and raced clean, but that RXV is a bit tail happy:
Renault got by... close one at the line for P8 (you can see the damage on my car from my friend in a red Ferrari pictured previously):
A couple more shots from Wed.
This was either lap 19 or 20, battle for P7:
I certainly lost a bunch of time and places getting pushed around by a red Ferrari and white Porsche (not the one pictured here) so I don't even feel bad about getting a freebie with two to go. This Mazda started behind me and raced clean, but that RXV is a bit tail happy:
Renault got by... close one at the line for P8 (you can see the damage on my car from my friend in a red Ferrari pictured previously):
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fair point. But I do think that in GT2 and GT3 one might be tempted to do only gr3 or gr4 and pick the META for that caterory. A solution might be that you are forced to enter a minimum number of races in each categorie in order to get points at the end of the season as @emGieT already mentioned in his post.
But I really have to agree with you about the BoP, in both gr3 and gr 4 you do see a large variety of cars in the top of the timing lists, not just the Toyota or the Porsche for example. And that varies pretty much each race, it finally seems to be a bit more in balance.
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Maybe. But I think of the Ferrari like the Initial D 86. Great in the corners and can make up time. And maybe the first 1/4 of the straight you can either gain or hold your own. But then the real life laws of physics come to kick us in the face.
Might be a help for you, but at Nords, I had to run TC at 1 the entire time. Otherwise I would spin out. I did it again at Deep Forest when the car got sketchy. I know traditionalist will probably flame me for going into the forbidden fruit of driver aids, but Traction control is a real life tool, even in real GT3 cars so if it's available I'm going to use it. Besides in iRacing if you even try to run no TC, you're making the not top 10 of the week lol.
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