Gran Turismo World Series (Nations Cup Exhibition Season: Jan 22 - Feb 1)

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I've been hanging fire on writing a thing for this because it seems odd that there's Manu but no Nations...

... and yet... 🤷‍♂️
I wonder if the Nations season will come after the live event in Prague. The length of the this Manu Cup season lines up with that.

Or maybe they will schedule Nations races on the Wednesdays in between the Manu races and are just waiting a few days to announce it so it doesn't get any more lead time than Manu did.
 
This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Gran Turismo World Series 2024 Exhibition Season Begins This Weekend

Polyphony Digital has announced a short, surprise Exhibition Season for the 2024 Gran Turismo World Series, beginning this coming weekend and filling the esports gap between the Montreal and Prague live events...
 
Wish there were more races for this but pretty happy the races all take place on saturdays. As someone who works 2 or 3 shifts races on wednesday were always tough.

After the recent Spa TT and the fun I had there with the Huracan signing with Lambo for my main was a no brainer. Also took one of my very few wins on Interlagos with the Huracan in one of the last Nations Cups.

Was a bit surprised that the game gave me a GT4 Huracan too 😅
 
It is maybe also worth noting that the final two races will occur after the 1.49 update comes out on July 25. We can only guess how the physics changes in the update will affect the cars for those races.
Yeah, for sure.

Given everyone seems to expect tyre life changes, Autopolis having all compounds usable almost seems designed as a to teach us how the various compounds work post-update.
 
After a quick run through of my deciding process I have a new manu. One which has come close to being chosen on a few occasions.
I am with Nissan for these races.
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Good luck everyone.
 
I think I'm going to join VW and run the Beetle. Still need to take it for a test spin at Autopolis but it's been surprisingly fun & fast at the other 3 tracks. The 7th gear could be very useful for Tokyo.
 
Upon reflection I think committing to Gr.3 for Manufacturers makes sense for PD at this point. Both from a BoP point of view, where they seem to have a decent handle on Gr.3 but the FFs and 4WDs make Gr.4 way more swingy depending on the track schedule; but also from a car dev pipeline perspective, where not having to make cars where the only reason they exist is to get manufacturers into Manufacturers Cup makes sense - the Swift Gr.4 is a car that only really exists so that Suzuki could join, for instance.
 
Upon reflection I think committing to Gr.3 for Manufacturers makes sense for PD at this point. Both from a BoP point of view, where they seem to have a decent handle on Gr.3 but the FFs and 4WDs make Gr.4 way more swingy depending on the track schedule; but also from a car dev pipeline perspective, where not having to make cars where the only reason they exist is to get manufacturers into Manufacturers Cup makes sense - the Swift Gr.4 is a car that only really exists so that Suzuki could join, for instance.

So we won't get a Gr3 Bugatti? :(

(Also, didn't the Swift come before the VGT? I thought that's when Suzuki were able to join, after the VGT Gr3 was added).
 
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A new season of the Manufacturers Cup is here. That means it is time to pick a car. In my ongoing quest to use all the brands, I've decided once again to pick from the least popular ones in Canada from the previous season. That gives me the choice between two brands -- Citroën and Jaguar -- neither of which were driven by any Canadians last season.

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To decide which one pick, I drove them each through all four races of the coming season as Custom Races against a single opponent. For the purposes of testing, I disabled penalties and damage and used the default weather (Afternoon S01). Here's how that went (detailed results are in this spreadsheet).

Rd.1 - Interlagos​

ManufacturerModelStrategyOpt timeBest timeAvg timeAvg devTotal time
CitroënGT by Citroën Race Car (Gr.3)14RS-16RH1:32.0971:32.1321:35.6910:01.99847:50.731
JaguarF-type Gr.315RS-15RH1:32.1311:32.3861:35.1010:01.79447:33.041


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For this race, since I didn't know the optimal strategy, I started on RS tires for each car, drove until one of the tires was completely worn, and switched to RHs for the rest of the race.

I drove the Citroën first. The whole time I was on RSs, it felt like the car was trying to kill me. Lap times were all over the place from all the times I went off the track. When I switched to RHs, the car became much easier to manage.

The Jaguar was just the opposite. No drama at all. I pointed the car where I wanted it to go and it went there.

Rd.2 - Tokyo Expressway​

ManufacturerModelOpt timeBest timeAvg timeAvg devTotal time
CitroënGT by Citroën Race Car (Gr.3)2:02.4262:02.9712:04.2830:01.08224:51.390
JaguarF-type Gr.32:03.5042:04.0272:05.2990:00.97425:03.591

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This was a straight-ahead sprint on RH tires. Both cars barely saw any tire wear.

I tested the Jaguar first on this race. I haven't driven this track much, so I spent a fair bit of the race just trying to remember how to drive it. If I were to re-run the test, I imagine I could get a significantly better time. I don't know if it would be enough to beat the Citroën, though. It was surprisingly strong on this track.

Rd.3 Autopolis​

ManufacturerModelOpt timeBest timeAvg timeAvg devTotal time
CitroënGT by Citroën Race Car (Gr.3)1:46.8571:47.4711:50.8170:01.73318:28.166
JaguarF-type Gr.31:47.9511:49.2361:50.4040:00.31218:24.036

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I wasn't sure what the tire wear was going to be like for this race, so I picked RM tires for both car, which easily made it a no-pit race.

The Citroën was first up this time. Aside from an incident on turn 1 of lap 4, the car felt pretty good here. The Jaguar was good, too, but slower. I just couldn't match the lap times I was getting with the Citroën.

Rd.4 - Nurburgring​

ManufacturerModelOpt timeBest timeAvg timeAvg devTotal time
CitroënGT by Citroën Race Car (Gr.3)1:55.0331:57.1851:59.6630:02.55929:54.943
JaguarF-type Gr.31:55.2511:58.1932:00.1450:02.43330:02.175

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I was pretty comfortable on this track having just run the TGR race there recently. Under the current tire physics, both cars easily made it to lap 14 on the RSs for a switch to RM for the final lap.

I ran the Jaguar first on this race. It felt fine. As usual, there was no drama at all. Then the Citroën came along and was consistently beating it.

A Decision​

Probably no surprise here.
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The Citroën was significantly faster on most of these races. Of course, I have some reservations about Interlagos with the dreadful performance on RS tires. I'm hoping with some practice I can get the car under control there. But even if I can't, I feel like it is obviously the better option for the remaining races.
 
I know it's impossible to please everyone when dealing with millions of players, but this is the first time in either GTS or GT7 that I actively dislike every single race in a season...this season will be a no-show for me.

Edit: This is a first time for a Manufacturer's or Nation's Cup - most seasons of the Toyota Cup have had absolutely zero races I've been interested in.
 
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staying with AMG for this round. Needs some redemption. Still thinking what car to use on my alt.

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I love that livery. Couldn't find the Kink sticker. Do you happen to have a search term for it? Cheers, Seth

I know it's impossible to please everyone when dealing with millions of players, but this is the first time in either GTS or GT7 that I actively dislike every single race in a season...this season will be a no-show for me.

Edit: This is a first time for a Manufacturer's or Nation's Cup - most seasons of the Toyota Cup have had absolutely zero races I've been interested in.

Millions... Manu doesn't even reach a 100k drivers for the main event, much less and probably a lot of them are alts.
 
Looking at the dates and event contents, I don't think I'll join this time around. Last 2 I'm away on vacation. And round 2 seems like a race in the wet and frankly quite boring. Leaves interlagos. But that one I'd love to do group 1 style. If I somehow can manage that in the next couple of weeks, I'll reconsider.
 
Tried a practice round today in a random Spanish lobby. My R8 can only manage about 10 laps on softs. @Moose78 , no idea how you managed 15 laps on RS. My rear right was dead at the end of lap 10. I tried to Fraga GTWS strategy while the others only pit once. I ended up 24 seconds behind after being punted and losing ten seconds.

I have a feeling a one-stopper is going to be the fastest for those who can save their tyres.
 
I love that livery. Couldn't find the Kink sticker. Do you happen to have a search term for it? Cheers, Seth



Millions... Manu doesn't even reach a 100k drivers for the main event, much less and probably a lot of them are alts.
I was going for the general number of people who bought the game - including those who never even touch Sport Mode, but yeah yours is probably the more relevant number.
 
Tried a practice round today in a random Spanish lobby. My R8 can only manage about 10 laps on softs. @Moose78 , no idea how you managed 15 laps on RS. My rear right was dead at the end of lap 10. I tried to Fraga GTWS strategy while the others only pit once. I ended up 24 seconds behind after being punted and losing ten seconds.

I have a feeling a one-stopper is going to be the fastest for those who can save their tyres.
I don't envy you in the Audi. The Gr.3 Audis are amongst the worst in the class for tyre wear, never mind how unstable they rapidly become as the rears wear out.

I'll be running Dodge myself this season and was only able to get 12 laps from the Softs in my test run last night, so whilst 10 is bad, it's not massively off. I could possibly get 13 laps out of them if I start on the Hards and switch to them later, but definitely not 15.
 
Tried a practice round today in a random Spanish lobby. My R8 can only manage about 10 laps on softs. @Moose78 , no idea how you managed 15 laps on RS. My rear right was dead at the end of lap 10.
A lot of it is the car, I'm sure, but I expect a fair part is how I drive that track. I've adopted some habits -- mainly for self-preservation and consistency -- that are probably helping with tire wear. For example, I know I brake earlier and more for turn 4 (Descida do Lago) than most drivers -- at or even a little before the 100 board -- to avoid getting a track limit penalty for going wide on the exit. I also often short shift out of turns 4 and 12 (Juncao) to avoid oversteer. I'm pretty sure this makes me slower on the track than I could theoretically be, but I feel it is worth it for the consistency. And if I get some extra tire life out it, so much the better.

Since we are already on the topic of tire wear and strategy, I ran a couple strategy tests (custom race against one opponent in default S01 Afternoon weather, driving the Citroen GT) to see how a 2-stop strategy compares to a 1-stop. The first was 14RS-14RS-2RH. From my Citroen-Jaguar shootout, I knew I could get 14 laps on the softs starting from a full fuel tank, so I decided to go for two 14-lap stints on softs. After reviewing the replay, it looked like I might be able to squeeze out a extra lap in the second stint, when there's less weight from fuel, so for my 1-stop test, I chose a 15RH-15RS strategy.

Here's how they compared (details in this spreadsheet):

StrategyOpt timeBest timeAvg timeAvg devTotal time
14RS-14RS-2RH1:31.7611:31.8141:35.2050:03.42047:36.143
15RH-15RS1:31.6051:32.2461:34.6560:01.93447:19.678

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For me, it's looking like the 1-stop is going to be my best option. I wasn't able to overcome the additional pit loss from doing a second stop -- even discounting the mess I made of lap 12. It isn't that far off, though. I'm thinking a 1RH-14RS-15RS might be a viable plan B if I happen to take damage on lap 1.

Edit: Adding tread level info...

Tread levels on first pit:
StrategyFront leftFront rightRear leftRear right
14RS-14RS-2RH60%35%40%10%
15RH-15RS75%65%70%60%

On second pit:
StrategyFront leftFront rightRear leftRear right
14RS-14RS-2RH65%40%50%20%

At finish:
StrategyFront leftFront rightRear leftRear right
14RS-14RS-2RH100%100%100%100%
15RH-15RS60%35%40%10%
 
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I'm getting the impression the 1-stop is the way to go, but some people could definitely mix things up with the 2-stop.

I've done two test runs now in the Dodge and had the following results:

  1. 12S-18H in 47:04
  2. 13S-3H-14S in 47:06
No proper statistics from me though, sorry. :lol: All I'll say is the Dodge wears out the front right first by some way, even whilst running the brake balance at 4 to try to shift some of the wear rearwards. This is also whilst on a wheel.

I'll need to retest the 1-stop again tomorrow to make sure. I felt like my consistency was overall better and my driving smoother on the second run since I managed to eek out more time on the Softs, so I think that gap is potentially smaller than it should be. I've got a feeling that I could bring that 1-stop time down a little.
 
I’m getting 13 or 14 laps out of the softs in the Beetle. Simple 1-stopper in GT2, the hard is actually quite good anyway and there’s not enough laps to make a 2 stopper work.
 
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No time to test lots of options so have gone with boring and dependable Porsche (plus I’ve never used them before)
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Think this will be an interesting season with the physics change coming halfway through… looking forward to it!
 
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Does fuel amount influence tyre wear much over longer races? I may start on hards if that's the case..
The effect is not huge, but it is there. I was seeing about a 5% difference between the first and second stint on softs in my 14RS-14RS-2RH test. That might be enough for an extra lap on softs, or at least make the grip last a little longer.

It is also going to depend on the rate that the car consumes fuel. Cars with higher fuel consumption will get lighter faster, which will magnify the effect.
 
Does fuel amount influence tyre wear much over longer races? I may start on hards if that's the case..
In addition to what @Moose78 said, I believe tyres you get during a pit stop tend to run colder than the tyres you begin a race on, which would also contribute to extending their lifespan.

Wombleleader did a YouTube video testing it about a year ago after the apps that read the raw data from the game started popping up.

He found the initial tyres when he joined a lobby began at around 70C, but the new tyres he got after making a pit stop were around 60C. Even weirder, they kind of stayed around that lower temperature even after doing some laps.


(Roughly 2:50 to 17:00)
 
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Tried another practice race yesterday in a EU/UK lobby. I managed just until the end of lap 11 on RS tyres but the last corner before the 'home straight' saw me spin out as the rear-right tyre died. I didn't change any brake balance either to try and get them to last longer, ultimately saving me almost a lap... Not entirely sure how useful that was.

In the R8 this feels a bit hopeless here. May just resort to doing a two stopper 8RH - 11RS - 11RS.
 
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