Gran Turismo World Series Showdown Preview: Dutch Courage

[AmyUD06]

.... if this is the majority of the drivers that represent this game, then GT will never make it back to the FIA list again.

Am I the only one who is fine with GT not having the "support" of an organization that ranks 2nd in corruption only to FIFA?

 

[Elusion428]

What i don't understand is that it used to be better,at least in the front row
I remember in the Fraga era,there were some really close battles and you could say Fraga being a real life driver helped but Latkovski and Hizal were also really good.
On the controller vs wheel,i remember there being a driver that also only played on controller before the events and he did alright with the wheel,i wouldn't blame the Dualshock players just yet.

That'd be Solis and yes he's at decent for GTWS level in the wheel despite using the controller to qualify. Not blaming the controller drivers as much per se but it'd be understandable if a Dualsense player never had the required amount of money to get a wheel (without obviously knowing Sternberg's situation). It can be unnecessarily unbalanced, especially with the equipment parity GT7 has largely enjoyed in terms of pure pace.
I also agree with the fact that racing used to be much cleaner. You'd have the odd incident here and there that'd be punished severely but currently it seems like a much more frequent phenomenon. We have plenty of new faces in the scene with may contribute to this but this doesn't excuse the end result.

Am I the only one who is fine with GT not having the "support" of an organization that ranks 2nd in corruption only to FIFA?

I mean I'm sure there are many who'd share your opinion but at the same time, this event atm has no status whatsoever. These drivers can't race under their team's colors, their sponsors and they don't compete for any substantial reward whatsoever apart from the trophy they get and the paid expenses, which is a bit sad considering that PD has prioritized the eSports aspect of this game over everything else (with the upcoming movie being a close second)

 

[tankuroded]

Does anyone know who drove for the eliminated teams during Q1? I only knew Romero driving for Genesis as the commentators announced.

 

[Nakano219]

I mean I'm sure there are many who'd share your opinion but at the same time, this event atm has no status whatsoever.

It absolutely has status within the GT community as a thing people care about and want to win. That's infinitely more important than who's affiliated with it or what other sim communities think of it.

 

[Auditore]

It absolutely has status within the GT community as a thing people care about and want to win. That's infinitely more important than who's affiliated with it or what other sim communities think of it.

Depends on what PD wants to achieve with them.
If Kaz want it to be his walled garden race club that's fine,it's cool.Kinda like a virtual Goodwood.
If Kaz has ambitions of being at the forefront of virtual motorsports then some changes have to be made,GT Live has a ceiling without esports teams from outside the game,not to mention the cloudy prize system for winners.

 

[Famine]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Porsche Wins GT World Series Showdown Manufacturers Cup​

Team Porsche, fighting with a man down, overhauled a 14-second deficit to win the GT World Series Showdown Manufacturers Cup event at Suzuka in Amsterdam...

 

[Ande3200]

Never thought i would say this or even watch a would series stream, but it was actully quite fun and has never been into esports,

 

[Famine]

Sternberg ... I assume that he qualified on controller

(without obviously knowing Sternberg's situation)

He appears to be a wheel user, judging by his videos, but more importantly he was also a 2022 World Finals driver for Volkswagen; they finished sixth.

Edit: And of course 2021:

 

[Elusion428]

He appears to be a wheel user, judging by his videos, but more importantly he was also a 2022 World Finals driver for Volkswagen; they finished sixth.

Edit: And of course 2021:
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Damn that makes his performance all the more baffling. Worst situation possible for the nerves to get you or to underperform.

 

[bduddy]

Damn that makes his performance all the more baffling. Worst situation possible for the nerves to get you or to underperform.

Ignore what used to be here, I misunderstood your last post.
The gap to the hard tires was massive, as could be seen in the first stint. Sternberg probably had some nerves which led to a slow start, but honestly I don't think he had much of a chance without them anyway. The car I was more looking at is Lamborghini - yes it's not a great car in the dry and their last driver wasn't a big name, but he still lost a shocking amount of time on the same tire. He had to have been fast enough to get here, I'm just wondering if he was the one who thought the race was in the bag and/or he needed to prioritize not crashing, and couldn't get into a rhythm because of it.

 

[JDMKING13]

Pressure bust pipes… That’s what I saw… Congrats to Porsche! I picked Subaru… and I would have won if it wasn’t for that last stint. The event was fun to watch overall… The Suzuka track atmosphere was beautiful… the way the sky looked at the end of the race was amazing.

Also… I watch a bunch of Iracing, ACC, and a bunch of other esports competitions streams… let’s not act like those guys are clean or the racing on those platforms are amazingly clean… I’ve seen people do things in real live competitions in which they should get banned…or it’s just terrible sportsmanship. The problem with the GT live events in my opinion is, they need to run heavy damage so the competitors are more cautious.. with light damage those guys aren’t worried about getting to aggressive, they understand the car will fix itself. In ACC and more serious in Iracing if you get damage your race is pretty much over. If these events ran heavy damage they would be a lot better in my opinion.

 

[platocplx]

Damn this is a major upset.

 

[Talon16]

Was pulling for Subaru since I picked them on one of my accounts, but that was a heck of a push by Porsche.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I have to say that Beauvois’ exit from the race was pretty embarrassing. I understand getting frustrated, but that wasn’t a good look considering it was a live event. He also gave his teammate who took over a 3 second pit lane penalty. Save the rage quits for the online lobbies.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Very good production value and entertaining to watch. 3 mandatory drivers over the course of 35 laps was…. weird. Race felt like it needed another 40 minutes in length. Driving standards were autrocious. Easy fix, like other peeps have mentioned, would have been heavy damage coupled with longer race length. Seems like PD must have messed with slip stream/dirty air - being that it seemed like everyone was able to follow very closely with relative ease. PD needs to recognize that they have a great product, and now it’s time to broaden their e-sports aspirations

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Ignore what used to be here, I misunderstood your last post.
The gap to the hard tires was massive, as could be seen in the first stint. Sternberg probably had some nerves which led to a slow start, but honestly I don't think he had much of a chance without them anyway. The car I was more looking at is Lamborghini - yes it's not a great car in the dry and their last driver wasn't a big name, but he still lost a shocking amount of time on the same tire. He had to have been fast enough to get here, I'm just wondering if he was the one who thought the race was in the bag and couldn't get into a rhythm because of it.

Exactly right. The Lambo was on the right tyre at the end but still lost time hand-over-fist to the Porsche and Serrano. Sternberg had it rough out there. His only saving grace was that he was using the most stable car on the grid.

 

[Auditore]

let’s not act like those guys are clean or the racing on those platforms are amazingly clean…

Lol,yeah.
Verstappen's missile maneuver just happened recently 😂

 

[JDMKING13]

@Auditore Not to get to much off topic… while I don’t agree what max did I’m not madd he did it. That guy he hit was driving with no care in the world for his teammate and others.

 

[iSidious]

Was this event featuring the best of the best? I loved the excitement of it, but wow, there was alot of dirty racing that possibly would have resulted in injury or even death in real life! I have a couple of trophies left for platinum with one being 50 online races. I try to race as clean as I possibly can and one of the main things holding me back online in achieving this on my GTP tagged main account is what if I make mistakes ( which I will) and my actions reflect on the GTP community! These racers should know better!

 

[kjb]

I wished I had made my predictions last night. I forgot I'm a few hours behind Amsterdam. I wouldn't have guessed right because I would have picked Toyota though. Congrats to the Porsche team for their win

 

[SPL170db]

Never watched one of these before but figured I should watch since I entered the prediction of team to win. Funny enough, I forgot that I picked Subi, thought I had picked Toyota to win so I was pulling for them the whole race.....it wasn't until after the race was over did I realize I was actually a stones throw away from predicting the winners lol.

I picked Spain for Nations, so we'll see how that pans out.

 

[bduddy]

Very good production value and entertaining to watch. 3 mandatory drivers over the course of 35 laps was…. weird. Race felt like it needed another 40 minutes in length. Driving standards were autrocious. Easy fix, like other peeps have mentioned, would have been heavy damage coupled with longer race length. Seems like PD must have messed with slip stream/dirty air - being that it seemed like everyone was able to follow very closely with relative ease. PD needs to recognize that they have a great product, and now it’s time to broaden their e-sports aspirations

The race settings did say Custom slipstream (before they removed that line from the website, curiously enough). I do wonder if they messed with the dirty air, the pack was insanely close throughout the first stint. Have any of the drivers commented yet?

 

[danimac]

I enjoyed this race heaps. I picked Subaru it was looking good for a good while not gonna lie. But that final stint by Porsche was too strong. Even without the penalty it would have happened on lap 34 probably.

 

[Kriptical]

While the race was surprisingly entertaining.. most of the time was spent wondering what all of those dd pro settings were..

Also, agree with the bit dirty..but when watching imsa and nascar(ill watch anything not an oval) they are kinda dirty too.

 

[samppa_944]

I know Porsche deserved the win and Serrano drove well. And probably pressure got to Sternberg too. But I am also going to cut Sternberg a little bit of slack, although maybe Drumont or Miyazono could have maybe stayed in the lead, or maybe not, who knows.

Let us not forget that if the live event went by old standards, then those drivers were fastest per every region in the manufacturer they chose. Honestly I think track temp also played a part too, it was probably so cool and with the hards always being slippy even on higher temps that the disaster was ready. Because no way did Sternberg get to that event by luck, and also I have seen him do better than this in a live event before. 🤔 I think Sternberg was the only one on hards in the end of the race, also Subie being the best with tire wear played to their disadvantage in the end of the race.

And I remember from experience, driving endurance races with dynamic weather that after a rain the track is no more rubbered in, and also cooler temperature, in general a much greasier driving feel with the non-grooved slicks. Especially mediums compared to the 💩 hards it is very bad, can easily be over 2-over 2 sec diff per lap. That is until the hards get warm, and that takes longer than usual. So I reckon those hards never really got up to temperature, also didn't help that Subie is so gentle on the tires.
THE END of analysis.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Does GT simulate the track rubbering in tho?

 

[OJBrit]

Damn that makes his performance all the more baffling. Worst situation possible for the nerves to get you or to underperform.

I don't think he underperformed. He was on the hard tyres with a still wet track inches off line. Serrano is a very fast driver. Sternberg didn't loose that much time to the others given his situation. A combination of tyres, weather, pressure and an outperforming Serrano did for him.

I have to say that Beauvois’ exit from the race was pretty embarrassing. I understand getting frustrated, but that wasn’t a good look considering it was a live event. He also gave his teammate who took over a 3 second pit lane penalty. Save the rage quits for the online lobbies.

He's always been like this. I imagine that's what's prevented him having more success at these events.

 

[samppa_944]

Does GT simulate the track rubbering in tho?

It does I think, but after rain the rubbering is to some extent reset and begins again. 🤔

 

[Auditore]

Kaz said it doesn't,my guess is that it takes a good chunk of processing power to simulate and while the PS5 can do it,the PS4 can't

Does GT simulate the track rubbering in tho?

 

[dazdilly75]

It's pretty clear that these guys are the fastest drivers in the game, but they are definitely are not the cleanest. As others have mentioned, heavy damage would clear up a lot of the reckless driving we witnessed in the race. Overall, it was a good spectacle, but if you're not a GT fan and new to the world of sim racing, it probably wasn't the best advertisement for sportsmanship.