GT Academy 2012 (EU) General Discussion

[dsgerbc]

the fastest gamer are the top 16 of the 8-5

You're on dope, dude.

TopX are merely the people with the most free time on their hands to pull-off that one freak of a lap. There are tons of people out there (just in case - I'm not one of them) who could've been in the TopX if they could've spent equal amount of time on the 8-5.
So, I say, being unemployed/student/retired at the time of GTA (or part-time for that matter), is an unfair advantage and those should be banned from competing.
If you want to disagree - please find a logical flaw in the argument.

I find laughable an idea of putting someone who bested others in a some random 1-2 minute time trial right into a real racing car that costs $$$. One probably can set-up GT5 tests to have some weight on consistency and fitness. Say add a couple-hour long enduro in a stinking-hot room with full damage on to the national finals. But seeing how people react to the real g's before putting them in a real racing car is a must.

 

[slowboyfast]

the fastest gamer hasent ever gone to silverstone!

sorry but that´s not right .. in the first GTA TiTech, l1a2r3 and POPO_Plus has been the Top 3 in the Timetrial Worldranklist and all 3 has made it to Silverstone ... at the end Lucas Ordonez won the Competition before Lars (l1a2r3) and Arnaud (TiTech) who were 2. and 3.

edit: POPO_plus wasn´t 3. but 4. in the TT, Lucas on 11. position

 

[leexr2i]

I'm starting to lose faith in these forums. There's way too much spite, jealously and ignorance since this competition concluded.

Firstly, being the fastest overall in a few time trials does not mean you have what it takes to be a racing driver. Take the top 100 guys overall however and within that you may find some great drivers who have potential.

After getting down the fundamentals of driving on a race track, the next most important thing is attitude and mental fitness. I learned so much about myself last week when I was put in high pressure situations. Believe me, this isn't a simple case of sitting into a car and driving around. Managing your mind is so important, and if you don't do it you won't be quick. I struggled mentally at several points during the competition and towards the end. The stress and pressure is huge and those of you who weren't there will never be able to understand that. It was nothing like I imagined before the competition.

Then of course we have the issue about how long you have to show your abilities. Yes people learn at different rates, but the guys running this program want someone who learns fast and improves constantly. Wolf may have always been quick, but he still had to show improvement and learn as the week went on. Everyone is in the same situation whilst at race camp, and the instructors can tell straight away who has driven before and who has done very little. With that in mind, they can mark your performance and improvement accordingly as the week goes on.

Finally, we have the argument about only letting the fastest gamers compete. The national finals is the time to find the fastest gamers. If they don't perform on the day, tough. In real racing you only have one chance at a time to perform as well. In 2008 and 2010 there was no fitness or driving tests before Race Camp, just the fastest gamers going to Silverstone and learning for a week with the best being picked at the end, and I think that worked pretty well. In the last 2 years the selection process has become much deeper, and the result is still the same, with highly ranked GT players winning the competition.

With that in mind, can we leave all the negativity aside and just be thankful that Nissan are giving people this opportunity. This year the 4 Race Camps together cost approx €9 Million to put on. In the times we live in that is quite astounding so I am very grateful to have been part of it and learned so much. Please don't hate the competition, the way its run or its winners just because you weren't a part of it or you didn't get the result you were hoping for. No one is under any obligation to play GT5 / enter GT Academy. Do it because you love it and if you are good enough you can go all the way and possibly win. If not, just be thankful it's happening at all.

Geeeeeez! I knew it must of cost a lot, but 9mill!! That's impressive! Im really gratefully for what Nissan and playstation did, even just from my time at the national finals.

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

yes i deffo think that the national final should have longer races 1hr and damage and don't understand this fuss about fitness everyone who is serious about being a pro driver will be fit enough I mean for a £5 million prize youd do a bit of running/ to win that

 

[Howeller]

You're on dope, dude.

TopX are merely the people with the most free time on their hands to pull-off that one freak of a lap. There are tons of people out there (just in case - I'm not one of them) who could've been in the TopX if they could've spent equal amount of time on the 8-5.
So, I say, being unemployed/student/retired at the time of GTA (or part-time for that matter), is an unfair advantage and those should be banned from competing.
If you want to disagree - please find a logical flaw in the argument.

i find easy an argument!

if u looking the top list day for day, the top guys was form the first day until the last day in this top list!
titech didnt not much hours, zkippe didnt done much hours, if 8-5 only be 1 day the result will be the same!

sorry but that´s not right .. in the first GTA TiTech, l1a2r3 and POPO_Plus has been the Top 3 in the Timetrial Worldranklist and all 3 has made it to Silverstone ... at the end Lucas Ordonez won the Competition before Lars (l1a2r3) and Arnaud (TiTech) who were 2. and 3.

yes thats reight, that was one year, but the fastest didnt win or ? it win someone out of top 10 or ?

So in your opinion, someone who is a gamer and also has track experience, is not a gamer?

i didnt ever said he is hot a gamer, wolfi for example is a top gamer ranked this on position 16! but there 15 better gamer infront of him

on pc simulations like iraceing, rfactor, .... you have very much realracers


when i first time hear about GTA, i was fascinated about, cause the best gamer can get on podium at real race competitions against pro drivers!
so i searched who is that one, i thinked titech, but after some months i realsed that isn`t him ? who is lukas ord.... ? why cant i find that nickname?

and now after this GTA with that much information about the winners the illusion for me (and many gamers i think) is destroyed! sorry but i allways thinked the best gamer from every year is that guy!

now i know it better, its that one that have the most practice in realcars or real experience! sorry but is this not thrue (reality)?

is it not thrue that, one (maybe more) guy is somewhere around position 300-500 from topgamerslist only be a bit away from the win ? cause of his top driving skills cause of much track experience!

its very normal that people are wondering about that situation!

 

[dsgerbc]

if 8-5 only be 1 day the result will be the same!

There is absolutely no way of knowing that. So, basically, you made stuff up.

 

[Tidgney]

Geeeeeez! I knew it must of cost a lot, but 9mill!! That's impressive! Im really gratefully for what Nissan and playstation did, even just from my time at the national finals.

hehe it's expensive but I can imagine the Goodwood academy wildcard event costing £800k+ (I was told Audi at Goodwood spent £1.4 million on their stand, as nissans was slightly smaller I guess 800 may have been tiny bit smaller but I guess not much!) I wonder what the total grand figure would be of all the wildcard events combined with the race camps!

I do agree with des though on all this, fair enough with having lmp2 experience as i said earlier I would be a bit disheartened if I had come second but des has put it very well with the opinion on that. But really you have to beat the best to be the best (In all areas). But as well if you can demonstrate such a learning curve where your intake of knowledge is literally all of it, the judges would be impressed. E.g. Johnny Herbert says something like do x,y and Z and then you do x y and z but then do it better than he even expected, you'll win big impression points! Thats all your really after as your then going to go on the driving program to get the best out of you.

I get that the best gamer may not necessarily get it but in the end on the TT's its literally minuscules of time which then can come down to even the television having a slightly better latency or a slightly sticky pedal (Ye I know Titech is ridiculously fast) so even a top 100 gamer would be worthy of winning in my eyes.

There is absolutely no way of knowing that. So, basically, you made stuff up.

Howel is right on that pretty much, even a 1 day event I could probably say most of the top 100 would be either in it or relatively close, they wouldn't be venturing out the top 250. Best way to know that is literally go to any car/track combo with any of the top racers, and you'll see them instantly get the top times.

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

the less time people have the more it benfits the experienced gt5 players so the experienced players are more likely to be on top with less time as they have a bank of knowledge to draw on

 

[ShaneUK]

This has been blown out way to big.

Congratulations to the winner, I wish him all the best! We should be discussing the rule, allowing somebody in the competition who clearly has a large advantage in a racing car. Those saying ban those who prepare more, that's not the point as Nissan created the rule to restrict in the first place, we should be discussing if, in our opinion, the rule should be lowered. Des makes a great point, they make the rules, they fund the competition, it may just mean gamers have a very large and difficult hill to climb with those that buy a PlayStation just to enter and then rely on racing experience.

 

[superdan]

I'm starting to lose faith in these forums. There's way too much spite, jealously and ignorance since this competition concluded.

Firstly, being the fastest overall in a few time trials does not mean you have what it takes to be a racing driver. Take the top 100 guys overall however and within that you may find some great drivers who have potential.

After getting down the fundamentals of driving on a race track, the next most important thing is attitude and mental fitness. I learned so much about myself last week when I was put in high pressure situations. Believe me, this isn't a simple case of sitting into a car and driving around. Managing your mind is so important, and if you don't do it you won't be quick. I struggled mentally at several points during the competition and towards the end. The stress and pressure is huge and those of you who weren't there will never be able to understand that. It was nothing like I imagined before the competition.

Then of course we have the issue about how long you have to show your abilities. Yes people learn at different rates, but the guys running this program want someone who learns fast and improves constantly. Wolf may have always been quick, but he still had to show improvement and learn as the week went on. Everyone is in the same situation whilst at race camp, and the instructors can tell straight away who has driven before and who has done very little. With that in mind, they can mark your performance and improvement accordingly as the week goes on.

Finally, we have the argument about only letting the fastest gamers compete. The national finals is the time to find the fastest gamers. If they don't perform on the day, tough. In real racing you only have one chance at a time to perform as well. In 2008 and 2010 there was no fitness or driving tests before Race Camp, just the fastest gamers going to Silverstone and learning for a week with the best being picked at the end, and I think that worked pretty well. In the last 2 years the selection process has become much deeper, and the result is still the same, with highly ranked GT players winning the competition.

With that in mind, can we leave all the negativity aside and just be thankful that Nissan are giving people this opportunity. This year the 4 Race Camps together cost approx €9 Million to put on. In the times we live in that is quite astounding so I am very grateful to have been part of it and learned so much. Please don't hate the competition, the way its run or its winners just because you weren't a part of it or you didn't get the result you were hoping for. No one is under any obligation to play GT5 / enter GT Academy. Do it because you love it and if you are good enough you can go all the way and possibly win. If not, just be thankful it's happening at all.

Big +1

 

[Wolff]

WOLFFFIIEEEE!

PS, I haven't forgotten about the cheeseburger !

Hope so It was really great to share this experience with you and Franck. On the beginning we didn't talk too much but days after days we began to know each other better and you are really a nice person and very very fast. Never stop trying to reach your goals....

I totally agree with Dessy post.

And it's way to risky for Nissan to do a competition only based on the game because even if your in the top 10 overall, that doesn't mean your will learn fast enough and doesn't mean you'll be a very fast driver. Even in reality some single-seater driver are "slow" in GT and vice versa.

Every years some guys are complaining about the winner or the organisation or the rules.... In that case, forget GTA and let other people enjoying the competition!

Real experience of competitors is impossible to control. Because you did 3 laps with your own car on a little track you can't take part in the GTA??? Becasue you drove indoor karting for a long time you can't?

My last track days was 7 months ago, I did 8 laps with an LMPC without any instructions and I had never drive such a car. That was absolutely useless for the GTA.... And I read people saying that is becasue I am an "LMP driver" (Hahahahaha) that I won..... It's surely becasue i did those 8 laps 7 months ago that I did 2 thenths better than Buemi during the free practice on the same track last week..... He's probably less experienced than me, not fair LOOOL What do you think more unfair, 8 laps in a lmpc long time ago, or 4-5 complete trackdays between the national finals and the racecamp like lots of the competitors do???

I think that by entering Gt academy, you should know that you are probably going to compete against people that have few experiences on a track, wathever the car, wathever how many times. The main think is to believe in yourself and do your best....

The judges known everything about all the competitors and during the deliberations they take in consideration the potential of evolution. If you are just faster at the beginning of the week because of your experiences and after you don't show any evolution, even if you're still a bit faster, they would take another driver less experienced but with a better evolution...

During that week you learn a lot, you are under an incredible pressure all the time and many many experienced guys were eliminated before the end, it's true every years and they look at absolutely everything, but one of the most important thing is the mental and your determination, and then your evolution and your speed.

 

[dsgerbc]

Howel is right on that pretty much, even a 1 day event I could probably say most of the top 100 would be either in it or relatively close, they wouldn't be venturing out the top 250. Best way to know that is literally go to any car/track combo with any of the top racers, and you'll see them instantly get the top times.

Nope. You're assuming again that top100 would spend equal time running. Some with the potential of top250, who spends whole 24 hours in the day running is likely to top someone with top100 potential, who puts in a dozen laps. Ability to commit time to running TT is different for everyone, and I'm sure that quite a few people in the current top100 are just as worthy of, say top16 spot, but just couldn't put in the hours required due to other commitments.

 

[Tidgney]

Nope. You're assuming again that top100 would spend equal time running. Some with the potential of top250, who spends whole 24 hours in the day running is likely to top someone with top100 potential, who puts in a dozen laps. Ability to commit time to running TT is different for everyone, and I'm sure that quite a few people in the current top100 are just as worthy of, say top16 spot, but just couldn't put in the hours required due to other commitments.

Anybody running 24 hours straight wouldn't make the top 100, they would have burned out far before. If your running even 4 hours you will start to drone, and you may improve slightly just through not thinking. Each year people do say limit this and limit that, the way its run with the qualifier has changed yearly but in the end the same faces end up at the finals usually.

Top 100 to top 16 as I said a bit further up is a bit different from a top 1000 driver trying to get into top 100. There's a limit to which where the likes of Ti-tech can go that extra bit and get the time. Ye time commitment for top 100 driver to top 16 may mean he wont get there, but if he's in the top 100 he's pretty much qualified (Most leaderboards, might be close with france/spain.). I didn't have as much time this year, but if you don't make yourself time then you'll never qualify.

Enter a lobby with Ti-tech, howel, rutter etc. You'll see there names at the top of the board with the same time on a car/track combo, even if you introduced a brand new track now with a brand new car nobody tried and you put 100 guys from various skill levels you'll see these names at the top of the boards.

Congrats wolf above , I'll be watching this years program with great interest !

 

[Frank Fox]

does anybody know psn names of ppl in eu finals?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Congratulations to Wolf on winning GT Academy 2012 (EU). I will be following your progress and think you will do really well 👍.


This is the order of last race finishing positions. It is interesting to see the leaderboard times in order apart from Des.

1. Wolfgang Reip - Wolfeke 1:30.938
2. Andrea Cosaro - GTClub_Andrea87 1:31.116
3. Rolf Ueltschi - rolfu 1:31.255
4. Sébastien Bertrand - GT5rs_Apo 1:31.330 (Rally Videos)
5. Des Foley - GTP_Dessy 1:31.099
6. Hugo Gonçalves - taboaamassa 1:31.624

Some guessing of PSN IDs.


Related to current discussion:

We all know the rules before entering GT Academy. We know what we can do to improve our chances of winning. It is up to how dedicated we are in all aspects to get as far as possible. I think the only thing GT Academy team should do is give people a second chance for race camp.

 

[NLxAROSA]

I'm starting to lose faith in these forums. There's way too much spite, jealously and ignorance since this competition concluded.

Don't man, it's only a very small (but very vocal) minority.

Every years some guys are complaining about the winner or the organisation or the rules.... In that case, forget GTA and let other people enjoying the competition!

So true. 👍

BTW, I'm organising a singing contest soon, but the rules will state that during the contest, the participants will only playback, as to not give the people who have real singing experience too much advantage! Afterwards, we'll spend a couple of millions on the one who could playback the best and assume they'll sell boatloads of records and make us lots of money. Sounds like a good idea, right?

 

[Jordan]

Hope so It was really great to share this experience with you and Franck. On the beginning we didn't talk too much but days after days we began to know each other better and you are really a nice person and very very fast. Never stop trying to reach your goals....

Congratulations, Wolfgang, and welcome to GTPlanet!

 

[dsgerbc]

Anybody...

Is it this hard to grasp what I'm saying without getting hung up on some irrelevant statement like "running for 24 hours"?
I repeat, there are a lot more people than 16 who could've ended up in the top16, had they committed more time. True for any other X different from 16.

 

[Howeller]

The judges known everything about all the competitors and during the deliberations they take in consideration the potential of evolution. If you are just faster at the beginning of the week because of your experiences and after you don't show any evolution, even if you're still a bit faster, they would take another driver less experienced but with a better evolution...

i dont belive that they take the other

And it's way to risky for Nissan to do a competition only based on the game because even if your in the top 10 overall, that doesn't mean your will learn fast enough and doesn't mean you'll be a very fast driver. Even in reality some single-seater driver are "slow" in GT and vice versa.

i dont see any risk if they take the best form 8-5 and the best like you from silverstone! they have never try so they dont know and that doesnt mean that he will be a flop!
i belive that the best from game also be the best in real! the more experience driver has the advantage only the first 2,3months, this will be eliminate and i think also overtaken by the best gamer when the skills to real be transfared! thats my opinion

I think that by entering Gt academy, you should know that you are probably going to compete against people that have few experiences on a track, wathever the car, wathever how many times. The main think is to believe in yourself and do your best....

yes i have know this befor silverstone has started and i didnt want go there cause maybe i would be (as a top gamer) a shame against experienced drivers there, cause i have no practice

Nissan have set the rules and they can set it like they think its the best for them!

 

[Tidgney]

Is it this hard to grasp what I'm saying without getting hung up on some irrelevant statement like "running for 24 hours"?
I repeat, there are a lot more people than 16 who could've ended up in the top16, had they committed more time. True for any other X different from 16.

I disagree with your point which is why I'm discussing it? Worldwide the top 16 is hard to get into which is what I've been saying and there aren't alot of people who could have made it into that category is what I'm saying. Even if they had, had hours of time they still wouldn't have gotten in to the top 16, which is the point of howels that I agreed with, and the disagreement I had with your point against howel if you get what I mean, I'm not trying to start some flame war here.... anyway;

The main point (Which you disagreed with which is what I agree with) it doesn't really matter that much about the amount of time on an event if your a quick racer you can get a quick time reasonably quickly. I think vibralux got his time in 4 hours and that's it so over a 2 week period it really isn't alot at all. I mean the way Ti-tech improved my guess would be that he didn't spend even over 6 hours for his time.

 

[dsgerbc]

Even if they had, had hours of time they still wouldn't have gotten in to the top 16

So no matter how many extra hours #17 could've possibly put it, he can't beat #16 (holding #16 time the same)?

B.S.

 

[Spurgy 777]

So no matter how many extra hours #17 could've possibly put it, he can't beat #16 (holding #16 time the same)?

B.S.

Now you're just being a bit stupid to carry on arguing your point, what he means is that if you restricted the amount of laps each person could do, the people who qualified who mostly stay the same, obviously it would change around a little, but not a great deal, meaning it makes no difference. Saying, "oh, then it must be impossible for #17 to beat #16" just frankly tells me you've ran out of sensible things to say.

 

[SilverArrow]

I'm just happy I finished in the top 500 for 8-5. Sorry, you can all get back to your arguing now.

 

[Ellis]

Now you're just being a bit stupid to carry on arguing your point, what he means is that if you restricted the amount of laps each person could do, the people who qualified who mostly stay the same, obviously it would change around a little, but not a great deal, meaning it makes no difference. Saying, "oh, then it must be impossible for #17 to beat #16" just frankly tells me you've ran out of sensible things to say.

Don't call people stupid, that is not nice.

 

[Timppaq]

The best man for the job won, congratulations! 👍 And welcome to GTP as well Wolfgang

 

[SvenB1984]

Hey Wolfgang, you may remember me from the Belgium finals.
"The fasted guy on day one"?!

I wish you all the best for the future! I don't mind those comments!

After this, i'm actualy glad I didn't made it to Silverstone this year. Next year you're not competing so the more chance we can make it a bit furder in the competition

Good luck! Thanks for winning, if we can't get gold in de UK Olympics then we have to do it in other competitions

I'll be seeing you next year in Zolder? Ad me on PSN: OR_Sven

 

[Tidgney]

Now you're just being a bit stupid to carry on arguing your point, what he means is that if you restricted the amount of laps each person could do, the people who qualified who mostly stay the same, obviously it would change around a little, but not a great deal, meaning it makes no difference. Saying, "oh, then it must be impossible for #17 to beat #16" just frankly tells me you've ran out of sensible things to say.

hehe I'm glad you understand it Spurgy I thought I explained it well enough, seems so.

So no matter how many extra hours #17 could've possibly put it, he can't beat #16 (holding #16 time the same)?

B.S.

Reread what you've been posting and the flames your attempting to start and you'll soon understand, I'm not retyping the same thing 15 times, rereading something is enough.

 

[dsgerbc]

Now you're just being a bit stupid to carry on arguing your point, what he means is that if you restricted the amount of laps each person could do, the people who qualified who mostly stay the same, obviously it would change around a little, but not a great deal, meaning it makes no difference. Saying, "oh, then it must be impossible for #17 to beat #16" just frankly tells me you've ran out of sensible things to say.

You fail to understand my point a little more than completely.
I am talking SPECIFICALLY about the assumption that some people CANNOT turn in equal amount of laps due to other time commitments.
If all give equal effort - it's a completely irrelevant and uninteresting case.
So, learn to read pal.

 

[Spurgy 777]

You fail to understand my point a little more than completely.
I am talking SPECIFICALLY about the assumption that some people CANNOT turn in equal amount of laps due to other time commitments.
If all give equal effort - it's a completely irrelevant and uninteresting case.
So, learn to read pal.

I re-read what you said just in case it was my reading, instead its that your argument has no point to it. You are saying that with more time, people who didn't qualify, might have. So what? Your point? You need to say whether or not that is a problem. I just assumed you thought it was.
This brings me to what Tidgney and I are saying, that yes, some people could have finished higher up if they had more time/some people could finish lower with less time, but ultimately the people who qualify would stay largely unchanged, therefore it's not a problem.

 

[ShaneUK]

I'm just happy I finished in the top 500 for 8-5. Sorry, you can all get back to your arguing now.