GT Academy 2012 (EU) General Discussion

[MSPDaflow]

Hi Guys,

First of all congrats to all winners. The one who were the best drivers in these groups have surely won the competition.
But I have to come back to the arguing from the last page. Why does PD allow people to take place in the competition which seem to have already a Racing license? We are all not sure if he has or had one (I mean it really looks like he has already a license), but maybe he can clarify this.
The problem with this is. If PD are breaking their own rules there will always be arguing about these themes. I am sure that in the end the fastest drivers have won, but was this legal is the main question we should ask. Lets say sure its legal, because who make the rules can break them. Especially when the rulemaker sees more amount of money than with a couchrider who drives fast, but cannot reach the experience from a man who has been driven in real live for several years. In one week you never can reach this even with talent.

On my opinion nobody should be arguing about the people who take part in this competition, we should argue about the rulemaker and its way to look at the rules.

Everything could be so easy, but it ain't.

BR, Daflow

 

[Spurgy 777]

He didn't have a racing license, he only tested race cars over the past few years so therefore didn't need a license, just lots of money, so he didn't technically break the rules, but he still found a way around the rule, although by accident, which is what we've been arguing about, what they could do different next year .

 

[Ross]

OK guys, I have been away for 4 weeks and have missed a lot of cars, will I still be able to claim the cars even though they aren't the latest ones.

 

[Wolff]

He didn't have a racing license, he only tested race cars over the past few years so therefore didn't need a license, just lots of money, so he didn't technically break the rules, but he still found a way around the rule, although by accident, which is what we've been arguing about, what they could do different next year .

Exactly.

I did some trackdays with race cars (like lots of competitors, on of them was a racing driver). But lots of money isn't needed! I'm quite poor and during my trackdays I never drove more than 30min maximum.... I learned and drive way more during the Racecamp than in all my life!

But my trackdays weren't really an advantage.... Like I said, it was nothing compare to the racecamp and the cars were completely different........ Which change everything! I was faster than Buemi with the 370Z, is he a newbie??? So it's not because I had some trackdays that I couldn't be beaten by those who has 0 experience (Well in the final none of the 6 has 0 experience, at least karting) Driving fast with your every day car is already experience you know!

One more point, you can take part in the GTA with a licence if the licence is under the A (B or C it's ok) And you can take part with an entire season of racing behind you.... But not 2 :-)

Bye

 

[Spurgy 777]

Firstly, a track day in an LMP car will cost quite a lot of money, I'm guessing anywhere around £5,000-£10,000 given you only had 30mins on track, probably closer to £10,000. A F3 test day for Carlin costs around £20,000 so not too far fetched, and you supposedly had a F3 test day too so I think poor isn't a great choice of words, poor enough not to do motorsport yes, but that easily costs over £100,000 to do even the lower fomulas.
Secondly, different car or not, I know how much driving a race car helps, and it would probably have made you a lot more comfortable in them at the very least, if you didn't qualify pole you could argue otherwise.
And finally, yes, you won't get a National A license until you have done 6 races in a car, which is why they probably choose that license for the limit National B, or C in your country, don't think we have that here, you get just by passing the test where all you need to do is drive the car your given without crashing

 

[Wolff]

Firstly, a track day in an LMP car will cost quite a lot of money, I'm guessing anywhere around £5,000-£10,000 given you only had 30mins on track, probably closer to £10,000. A F3 test day for Carlin costs around £20,000 so not too far fetched, and you supposedly had a F3 test day too so I think poor isn't a great choice of words, poor enough not to do motorsport yes, but that easily costs over £100,000 to do even the lower fomulas.
Secondly, different car or not, I know how much driving a race car helps, and it would probably have made you a lot more comfortable in them at the very least, if you didn't qualify pole you could argue otherwise.
And finally, yes, you won't get a National A license until you have done 6 races in a car, which is why they probably choose that license for the limit National B, or C in your country, don't think we have that here, you get just by passing the test where all you need to do is drive the car your given without crashing

Sorry but you're completly wrong, really completly

But like lots of people you don't read what I'm writing and you're still conviced that I did I don't know how many hours on the track in official Team HAHA I like how people transform everything.

For the LMPC it was 300euros for 4 laps (it was a discovery day so they aplly low prices) I did 8 laps.... 480 pounds.

For the F3, it was not real F3, but "false F3" in a little driving school 6 years ago, I only did few laps for 250pounds....

So yes I'm quite poor man.... No holydays, no every day car for a long long time, I was only really passionate by racing and wanted to enjoy a bit and I was saving the little I earned only for that. You seem to be a kartracer.... even for that I've not enough money!!!!!!

But yeah, continue to believe anything, that begins to really make me laugh.

I am not as experienced as you think, stop beleving what people say... Everything is on internet just because I was trying to find sponsor with my little experiences. Thta's all.

I did trackdays in ****y little cars or false single-seater, just the FLM was a real racecar but 8 laps.... that's definitly not an advantage.

All we did at racecamp was much more important than the trackdays.... How is it possible that me and other guys were faster and as fast for others as F1 driver or LMP driver??????? Can you reply???????? No, because you're totally wrong man.... I promise you that you can win with very little experience against guys who has way more experience because what we did at the racecamp is specific to the racecamp!!!!

 

[Frank Fox]

Relax man, with a qualifying time of 1.30.9xx you absolutely deserved to win, also I apologise for my previous comment (LMP driver) since you can't tell from a video (and your driving is good).
Congratulations again.

Also, that's not much (relatively) money for a LMP drive seriously.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Sorry but you're completly wrong, really completly

But like lots of people you don't read what I'm writing and you're still conviced that I did I don't know how many hours on the track in official Team HAHA I like how people transform everything.

For the LMPC it was 300euros for 4 laps (it was a discovery day so they aplly low prices) I did 8 laps.... 480 pounds.

For the F3, it was not real F3, but "false F3" in a little driving school 6 years ago, I only did few laps for 250pounds....

So yes I'm quite poor man.... No holydays, no every day car for a long time, I was only really passionate by racing and wanted to enjoy a bit and I was saving the little I earned only for that.

But yeah, continue to believe anything, that begins to really make me laugh.

I am not as experienced as you think, stop beleving what people say... Everything is on internet just because I was trying to find sponsor with my little experiences. Thta's all.

I did trackdays is ****y little cars or false single-seater, just the FLM was a real racecar but 8 laps.... that's definitly not an advantage.

All we did at racecamp was much more important than the trackdays.... How is it possible that me and other guys were faster and as fast for others as F1 driver or LMP driver??????? Can you reply???????? No, because you're totally wrong man.... I promise you that you can win with very little experience against guys who has way more experience because what we did at the racecamp is specific to the racecamp!!!!

Hmm, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the LMP test, seems odd that they let you drive for that price but its possible. Where was it out of interest?
Secondly I don't just "believe what I see on the internet", I know what I'm talking about with regards to prices, and the YouTube video looked like your normal test day, you didn't exactly explain it wasn't until now.
Also could you explain "how is it possible that me and other guys were faster and as fast for others as F1 driver or LMP driver" I don't understand.
Finally if you believe that experience mean't nothing that's your opinion, I might strongly disagree, I mean I'll gladly take and experience in a race car if I can afford it and I know a lot of people in racing who would agree and probably say that your first few laps in a race car are the most important, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

BTW Wolff, don't take this as me thinking you shouldn't have won, you still had to be really good at everything else too, as well as having real life talent, you did really well with or without experience in race cars its more just an argument about how track experience could be seen as an advantage and what they could do differently next year as I said before. Plus bare in mind its 12.40am and I'm tired

 

[iMikeTheKing]

Congratulations Wolf. From what I'm hearing you were very fast and took advantage of your opportunity. Good Luck with your racing career.

 

[MSPDaflow]

Hi Wolff,

thanks for you explanation, because until now there were so many discussions without a clear point of view. If you don't have or had a license this all sounds OK for me.
What is new for me is the information, that you are even allowed to have a full season of racing in lower classes behind you?! That does not come out of the rules so far.

So keep going and win some races. And I will go for some Trackdays until next year ;-).

BR, Daflow

 

[Dessy182]

Footage from the final race last Saturday;

Starts at 5:03

 

[Sphinx]

Footage from the final race last Saturday;

Nice. 👍

 

[Diogo]

Hahah , at 1:37 That guys said:

"Lucas .. was new .... FAT "

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

Firstly, a track day in an LMP car will cost quite a lot of money, I'm guessing anywhere around £5,000-£10,000 given you only had 30mins on track, probably closer to £10,000. A F3 test day for Carlin costs around £20,000 so not too far fetched, and you supposedly had a F3 test day too so I think poor isn't a great choice of words, poor enough not to do motorsport yes, but that easily costs over £100,000 to do even the lower fomulas.
Secondly, different car or not, I know how much driving a race car helps, and it would probably have made you a lot more comfortable in them at the very least, if you didn't qualify pole you could argue otherwise.
And finally, yes, you won't get a National A license until you have done 6 races in a car, which is why they probably choose that license for the limit National B, or C in your country, don't think we have that here, you get just by passing the test where all you need to do is drive the car your given without crashing

Its never £20 k a day to test f3 even with trevor carlin i reckon that must be for a week in spain over the winter where did you get that figure from?

 

[Sphinx]

Worth a read:
From armchair to asphalt – part one
Surely you can’t go from gamer to grid in under five months?

 

[Denilson]

Congratz Wolff!

Regarding the opinions about how to completely scrap the boot camp week, and just go by the internet rankings (Or how you're trying to describe it):
In 2008, the German (Lars IIRC) won the GTA like Lucas Ordonez. But during testing, he could'nt learn how to change gears in the GT4 car. Constantly overrevving the engine during downshifts (A very common method to bring speeds down in GT5 I might add). That made the team management to explain to him that they could'nt take him to Dubai because of that. He was so sad, and I really felt for him.

This is exactly why a boot camp is needed. If it was that easy, as to just look at the ranking on-line in GT5, why pay 9million £?
I do understand that there's some benefits in terms of interest from the huge gaming community, and racing world as well to a sertain degree, but that could also be achieved without the boot camp. Like produce a reality show from when the 2 did practice and races to aquire the A-licsnce.

And there's no way to decide experiance.. No way. It can't be done.
What can be done is to set rules so that the ones who enter will not be proffessional racing drivers.
And those rules are clear. And perfectly fair imo.
It's not like 6 years of youth carting, and 8 laps in an LMPC makes you a professional in any way.
Back in 2008, during the Sweden national finals, there was a guy called Alx Danielsson who's a proffessional driver. He was'nt even close to the fastest guys, and did'nt make it to round 2. So this is another example of the differences between GT5 and real life racing.
It's simply not the same, even though a fast GT5 driver might have a decent shot once he get some practice in, but there's no guarantees what so ever. The guy who won the Sweedish finals (Chris Midmark) had a lot of go-karting during younger years, as well as up to around 20.
I came 2nd, and I used to work at a carting track (16-18 years old), so obviously had several laps carting in my history. That beeing said, many drivers/gamers that enter GTA have tons of experiance from different mororsports in their trunk.. And it would be strange if that was'nt the case, since we're all interested in motorsports, right?

Finally, imo, the rules are perfect as they are.
We, who play this game are all motorsport enthusiasts, and will in many many many case have some kind of experiance. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Dessy182]

The GT Academy graduates raced at Brands Hatch today. Here are the results.

12th and 16th. Pretty solid for their first time out considering all they needed to do was finish for the signatures.

I think it's crazy that the American winner is racing under a fake name to keep his identity secret. The US production is really going to extremely lengths for a bit of suspense.

 

[Famine]

So are the German and Russian drivers - all three territories have a "reality TV show" and they want to reveal the winner in the last episode.

 

[Dessy182]

So are the German and Russian drivers - all three territories have a "reality TV show" and they want to reveal the winner in the last episode.

The Russian winner was revealed over Facebook (official) and its pretty common knowledge who the German winner is too. The American one is the only one who has a secret identity while racing.

 

[Tidgney]

he even gave me a fake name in real life!

edit: The american winner that is!

 

[Famine]

The Russian winner was revealed over Facebook (official) and its pretty common knowledge who the German winner is too. The American one is the only one who has a secret identity while racing.

I must have missed the Russian one, but the German guy isn't supposed to be known either due to their reality TV show. I know a name's been floating around, but I've ignored it on the basis of not wanting to know information I'm not supposed to know and risk accidentally revealing it.

Responsible journalism Who'd have thunk!

Edit: Yep

The final winner of the Nissan GT Academy Germany 2012 will be announced on the television program run by RTL on 3rd November before the Formula One Qualifying at Abu Dhabi.

 

[leexr2i]

Lol it was easy to work out the real names from the group photos taken at the start!

 

[Wolff]

The GT Academy graduates raced at Brands Hatch today. Here are the results.

12th and 16th. Pretty solid for their first time out considering all they needed to do was finish for the signatures.

I think it's crazy that the American winner is racing under a fake name to keep his identity secret. The US production is really going to extremely lengths for a bit of suspense.

Hello :-)

The result doesn't reflect the reality...

We qualified (first time in the car and on the track, in only 15min) in 4th position, I took de start and was 2 after 1 hour stint before pitting ans swap driver but unfortunalty problem to refuel and we stayed 10min in the pits lol

The second car qualified 8 and was 3 behind me after 20min before having a mecanical failure... They stayed 13min in the pits...

The main goal was to get our signature and job is done :-) But without problem we probably would have finished second and third, but that's motorsport (anyway the first car uncatchable, way faster than our car)

Now looking for this week-end 👍

 

[GTP_CICO]

Good job Wolf! And indeed I think the best laptimes show a mutch better ranking .

 

[leexr2i]

Hello :-)

The result doesn't reflect the reality...

We qualified (first time in the car and on the track, in only 15min) in 4th position, I took de start and was 2 after 1 hour stint before pitting ans swap driver but unfortunalty problem to refuel and we stayed 10min in the pits lol

The second car qualified 8 and was 3 behind me after 20min before having a mecanical failure... They stayed 13min in the pits...

The main goal was to get our signature and job is done :-) But without problem we probably would have finished second and third, but that's motorsport (anyway the first car uncatchable, way faster than our car)

Now looking for this week-end 👍

I have a question wolf, how dose being a professional race car driver now affect your car insurance??

 

[taboaamassa]

Hi Guys, I want to request a favor from all of you,

I've been quite active in trying to find a sponsorship after GTA and I'll be meeting a big company this Sunday at Estoril Race Track after a test with a Racing Team with a Juno CN09 this Friday.

I need to show them that i'm known in the videogame's world, the GTAcademy world and in the motorsport world.

If you could please help my facebook page getting more Likes, i'll be able to show them that.

My facebook page is facebook.com/HugoAraujoRacingPage

Thanks a lot guys!

 

[Louie_Schumii]

Hey Hugo,

Liked your page last week. Similarly I also need the GT Academy communities help.

I applied to the NAC Motorsport Team with an application video that is meant to be "as entertaining and engaging as possible while presenting a profile of yourself." I was shortlisted for their scholarship on Friday.

The rest of the application process seems like a bit of a popularity shootout and since the funds aren't allocated until the voting process ends every vote counts.

Voting link is in the video.


Mind you it's all done on facebook and is a marketing activity for NAC Motorsport so it is designed to get them as much media attention as possible - Nonetheless it is far easier to give a few clicks than it is to give the tens of thousands of dollars required to compete in an entry level circuit racing series.

You're vote can really make a difference and as a New Zealand GT Academy National Finalist/world class Gran Turismo 5 player I ask for your vote to help another gamer to cross over into reality.


Kind regards and yours truly,
Luis

 

[Wardez]

Hey guys. We just finished a podcast interview (the UK hosts did the interview) with Des Foley as our special guest. He's on the whole episode, commenting on news then going straight into the focused interview about his experience in GTA 2012.

If any other GTA finalists would like to be a guest on the host just PM me. We plan on doing interviews with the US finalists after the shows start airing on TV here (we're still under NDA).

https://thegtpodcastofficial.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/episode-4/

Here's an iTunes link:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gtpodcast/id566960086

Enjoy!

 

[Dessy182]

Hey guys. We just finished a podcast interview (the UK hosts did the interview) with Des Foley as our special guest. He's on the whole episode, commenting on news then going straight into the focused interview about his experience in GTA 2012.

If any other GTA finalists would like to be a guest on the host just PM me. We plan on doing interviews with the US finalists after the shows start airing on TV here (we're still under NDA).

https://thegtpodcastofficial.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/episode-4/

Here's an iTunes link:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gtpodcast/id566960086

Enjoy!

Just got to listen to it there. Thanks for having me, was nice to have a chat about the experience 👍

 

[Tidgney]

O that's nice with the podcast =)! Well done with that!