GT or GT40

[McLaren]

Thank you gash for showing a 1966 release, not a 1964. 👍

 

[Perfect Balance]

And yet the same website you keep quoting from is saying DIFFERENT in other articles. But you're only choosing to show one article.

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_display.cfm?release=23745

What makes you say they aren't using the extremely popular nickname, so popular that Ford themselves frequently reffered to it as that?

I fail to see where they say that they Ford GT is the GT40, and not the Ford GT.

Also, they use just the normal Ford GT in there a couple times too. If it was always the Ford GT40, except for the first 11, why would they use the Ford GT name, which could cause confusion with the new one?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

how do you know they arent just using the gt40 nickname so people know what they mean? both ford,shelby which ran the project for a fair amount of years and henry ford himself called it and wanted it to be called the ford gt and did.so i guess they are liers then are they?

 

[Perfect Balance]

Nothing that has been posted so far has specifically said "It's the Ford GT40, not just the Ford GT" Nothing, not one sentence, besides the one from wikipedia, which I'm not about to beleive.

Nothing.

But I have 2 instances were Ford said, NO, it's not the gt40. A sentence referring directly to the topic at hand, a perfectly clear answer in one sentence.

I don't see why you guys keep posting more articles. None of them say it was not the ford gt, but the gt40, they only contain references where the name GT40 has been used.

There's nothing in this thread to say it isn't the Ford GT, but 2 places where it says it isn't the gt40. You guys have some catching up to do.

EDIT: If it is really called the Ford GT40, then my 2 sources end up being total lies, yet if you consider it called the Ford GT, and GT40 as a nickname, everything in this thread works, even the things you have posted attempting to prove otherwise. My 2 sources are from reliable sources, so I doubt they are wrong.

I don't doubt any of your sources either, they are probably 100% correct, but if you look through them, there isn't a place that says it's not the Ford GT, but the GT40.

 

[McLaren]

how do you know they arent just using the gt40 nickname so people know what they mean? both ford,shelby which ran the project for a fair amount of years and henry ford himself called it and wanted it to be called the ford gt and did.so i guess they are liers then are they?

But it didn't end up that way.

Now answer my earlier question.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

But it didn't end up that way.

Now answer my earlier question.

that makes no sense

as pb says several articles stateing that it was called the ford gt not the ford gt40 yet you or Gashlycrumb have yet to produce something to say that it was called the gt40 not gt

 

[McLaren]

Nothing that has been posted so far has specifically said "It's the Ford GT40, not just the Ford GT" Nothing, not one sentence, besides the one from wikipedia, which I'm not about to beleive.

Nothing.

But I have 2 instances were Ford said, NO, it's not the gt40. A sentence referring directly to the topic at hand, a perfectly clear answer in one sentence.

I don't see why you guys keep posting more articles. None of them say it was not the ford gt, but the gt40, they only contain references where the name GT40 has been used.

There's nothing in this thread to say it isn't the Ford GT, but 2 places where it says it isn't the gt40. You guys have some catching up to do.

EDIT: If it is really called the Ford GT40, then my 2 sources end up being total lies, yet if you consider it called the Ford GT, and GT40 as a nickname, everything in this thread works, even the things you have posted attempting to prove otherwise. My 2 sources are from reliable sources, so I doubt they are wrong.

I don't doubt any of your sources either, they are probably 100% correct, but if you look through them, there isn't a place that says it's not the Ford GT, but the GT40.

Your source from Ford Media is about as legit as this.

The historic sweep of the 1966 LeMans endurance race started the Ford GT's four-year domination of the prestigious event
"40 years ago, Ford made motorsport history at the 1966 Le Mans 24-hour race. That event was a momentous result for Ford Motor Company, and history has shown that it has become one of the most important chapters in the saga of the world's most famous endurance race. This year, at the Le Mans Classic 2006, today's Ford is saluting the heroes and unsung heroes of that day, and the incredible legacy of a car that captured the imagination of generations of enthusiasts – the Ford GT40."

John Fleming
President & CEO
Ford of Europe

Le Mans, France, June 2006 – This summer marks an important anniversary for fans of motorsport and the Blue Oval. It is the 40 th anniversary of Ford's historic 1-2-3 finish at the 24 Hours of Le Mans with the famous Ford GT40. This anniversary will be celebrated in style at the 2006 Le Mans Classic event on July 8 and 9.

So stop hiding the other story from your source that calls it a GT40.

 

[Gashlycrumb]

Why in 1966 would FORD put out a press release referring to the Ford GT40 if it wasn't the Ford GT40. I work in communications and put out numerous press statements each day. If I put out a press statement incorrectly naming one of our programmes I would be shot!

I may use shortened forms of the names later on in the release, but only after naming it in full and I really would get shot if I used the incorrect name in the title of the release.

Personally I think that the fact that Ford were publicly referring to it as the GT40 in 1966 and this is also the year they changed the chassis codes from GT to GT40 proves that from the MKII onwards it was the GT40.

 

[McLaren]

that makes no sense

as pb says several articles stateing that it was called the ford gt not the ford gt40 yet you or Gashlycrumb have yet to produce something to say that it was called the gt40 not gt

None of your sources mean anything.
The release you posted was from 1964, before the actual production began and your other sources contradict what you're saying. Books don't mean diddly as other books will say otherwise.

And PB is deciding to believe 1 story from his source when said source has said differently.

 

[Orion]

It is the Ford GT40, for just the Ford GT, this explains why Gran Turismo 2, and Gran Turismo 3 say that it is the GT40 as the car names, as well as the label on the side stating Ford GT40. Everything else I think of has been said already.

 

[Perfect Balance]

Your source from Ford Media is about as legit as this.


So stop hiding the other story from your source that calls it a GT40.

Please highlight where it says in your quote that the Ford GT is a GT40, and not a Ford GT. I think I may have missed it.

In fact, I call it the GT40 myself. Using that name when talking about the car doesn't exactly prove that it is in fact a GT40 and not a Ford GT. A lot of the sources with GT40 contain places where it's called the Ford GT.

So just showing instances where Ford GT40 was used doesn't prove anything, since I can show you just as many instances where Ford GT was used.

So far I've provided the only source that talks about the 2 names directly and talks about which one is actually correct.

 

[McLaren]

Please highlight where it says in your quote that the Ford GT is a GT40, and not a Ford GT. I think I may have missed it.

In fact, I call it the GT40 myself. Using that name when talking about the car doesn't exactly prove that it is in fact a GT40 and not a Ford GT. A lot of the sources with GT40 contain places where it's called the Ford GT.

So just showing instances where Ford GT40 was used doesn't prove anything, since I can show you just as many instances where Ford GT was used.

So far I've provided the only source that talks about the 2 names directly and talks about which one is actually correct.

If it was the Ford GT, that article wouldn't have kept saying GT40 over and over. 💡

 

[Perfect Balance]

None of your sources mean anything.
The release you posted was from 1964, before the actual production began and your other sources contradict what you're saying. Books don't mean diddly as other books will say otherwise.

And PB is deciding to believe 1 story from his source when said source has said differently.

It has never said differently. For it to have said differently, it would have to say "It's the Ford GT40, not the Ford GT."

I don't see any story with that so far. Simply showing articles using GT40 doesn't verify the official model name, since I can find articles where it's called the Ford GT.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

If it was the Ford GT, that article wouldn't have kept saying GT40 over and over. 💡

for all you know there could have been an article out just before it stateing it as the ford gt,again still nothing to show that it was called the gt40 and not the gt ,just proof that it was called the gt and not gt40.

 

[McLaren]

for all you know there could have been an article out just before it stateing it as the ford gt,again still nothing to show that it was called the gt40 and not the gt ,just proof that it was called the gt and not gt40.

Would you shut the hell up? All you can do is say me and Gash are wrong yet show nothing to prove that your information is any more true.

Oh wait, you can't. Because everything you've posted so far is either before the GT40 or contradicts you.

No surprise Gash posted a 1966 release, and you and PB choose to jump around it.

 

[Perfect Balance]

Provide an article where it says "It's the Ford GT40, not the Ford GT"

Both the first part and the second. Not just where it's called the Ford GT40, or where it's called the Ford GT. Both at the same time saying one is correct and one in incorrect.

So far you haven't come up with one, and I have.

EDIT: I didn't jump around it, I just don't see it's relevence. Ok, the Ford GT was also called the Ford GT40. Hooray, I knew that from the beginning. I need something that says it was one and not the other, and after 9 pages I'm still waiting.

I found mine on the 4th page I think.

 

[McLaren]

Provide an article where it says "It's the Ford GT40, not the Ford GT"

Both the first part and the second. Not just where it's called the Ford GT40, or where it's called the Ford GT. Both at the same time saying one is correct and one in incorrect.

So far you haven't come up with one, and I have.

So that means you're right? You same source STILL CALLS IT A GT40 in other articles.

Who are you to decide I should believe a source that said, "It's a GT, not a GT40" when it said it was a GT40 at another times.

 

[Perfect Balance]

I know that it's called both the Ford GT and the Ford GT40. Sometimes it's called the GT40, and sometimes it's called the GT. What does that prove? Nothing.


Only one article discussed what the actual name for the car was, and they said Ford GT. So far that's the only one we have in this thread, and there's 0 evidence telling me it's wrong.


EDIT: If I called you McLaren, even if I knew your real name, would I be wrong? No.
I know quite a bit of people's real names on this forum, but I still go by the usernames. People call the Ford GT both that and Ford GT40. What's to say which one is the real name? I have 2 sources saying the real name is really the Ford GT, and not the GT40.

 

[Gashlycrumb]

Here is another press release from FORD it shows again that the name transitions from FORD GT to FORD GT40 for the MKII:

Key Events in Ford GT History (Ford Motor Company Press Release)

June 1962: Henry Ford II withdraws his company from the 1957 Automobile Manufacturers Association ban on racing, beginning the Ford Total Performance commitment to motorsports.

October 1962: Ford unveils Mustang I, a concept car that brought together a group of like-minded engineers from the United States and Britain under the direction of Englishman Roy Lunn.

May 1963: Negotiations between Ford and Enzo Ferrari break down: Ford would not buy Ferrari's expertise to run its international racing program.

August 1963: In England, work begins on the Ford GT, a low, sleek coupe based loosely on Eric Broadley's Lola GT.

April 1964: Ford GT is presented to the press.

June 1964: Ford GTs become known as GT40s and race at Le Mans. All retire early due to aerodynamic instabilities and transaxle failures; nonetheless they prove fast enough for competition.

Autumn 1964: Ford hires Carroll Shelby to oversee the racing program. Shelby later installs the proven 7-liter "427" stock-car engine in what would later be called the Mark II GT40.

February 1965: Ken Miles and Lloyd Ruby drive a GT40 to its first win at the Daytona 2000-km race, breaking almost every established track record.

February 1966: With the Mark II cars well-sorted, Ford GT40s, led by Miles and Ruby, take a 1-2-3 sweep at the first 24 hours of Daytona.

March 1966: At the Sebring 12-hour, Ford GT40s earn another 1-2-3 victory.

June 1966: In just its third season, Ford cruises to a 1-2-3 win at 24-hours of Le Mans, taking the "triple crown" of endurance racing.

January 1967: Testing of the all-new GT40 Mark IV begins.

March 1967: Driven by Bruce McLaren and Mario Andretti, the all-new Mark IV wins at its racing debut at Sebring, setting new speed and distance records.

June 1967: In a dramatic duel with Ferrari, Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt drove their GT40 Mark IV to victory at Le Mans, beating the Ferraris by just four laps.

June 1968: For the 1968 season, engine displacement was capped at 5 liters, and the Mark I GT40s returned, winning Le Mans under Gulf Oil sponsorship.

June 1969: In perhaps the most exciting event in the history of endurance racing, Jacky Ickx and Jackie Oliver scored GT40's final Le Mans win, leading the competition by just two seconds after the 24-hour race.

March 2001: Camilo Pardo is appointed as chief designer of the GT40 concept.

January 2002: Ford CEO Bill Ford unveils GT40 concept at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

 

[Perfect Balance]

"Became known as" does not mean an official name change. A month ago I "became known as" Lead boy on these forums.

I "became known as" "chipper" by my co workers after chipping a big peice of glass.

I can go on forever, yet none of these names were anything more than nicknames.


EDIT: Micheal Schumacher "became known as" one of the best Formula 1 drivers ever. He is still Micheal Schumacher

 

[YSSMAN]

If we're talking strictly of the semi-current Ford GT, it is NOT the GT40. The main reason why it was not called the GT40 was because the rights to the name were sold to a private owner, and the man who did own the rights once Ford wanted to buy them back demanded a sum of money far beyond what Ford had wanted to pay for it. Furthermore, calling the Ford GT a GT40 would technically be incorrect, given that the "40" designation was in reference to the height of the vehicle... The new Ford GT sat at "44," and thusly the same "Ford GT44" sounded absolutely idiotic.

Does that answer the question at hand?

Calling the Ford GT a GT40 is completely incorrect, and any current magazine that does so should be burned. Yes, the concept was called the "GT40," but the production version was always the Ford GT.

 

[Perfect Balance]

If we're talking strictly of the semi-current Ford GT, it is NOT the GT40. The main reason why it was not called the GT40 was because the rights to the name were sold to a private owner, and the man who did own the rights once Ford wanted to buy them back demanded a sum of money far beyond what Ford had wanted to pay for it. Furthermore, calling the Ford GT a GT40 would technically be incorrect, given that the "40" designation was in reference to the height of the vehicle... The new Ford GT sat at "44," and thusly the same "Ford GT44" sounded absolutely idiotic.

Does that answer the question at hand?

Calling the Ford GT a GT40 is completely incorrect, and any current magazine that does so should be burned. Yes, the concept was called the "GT40," but the production version was always the Ford GT.

We are talking about the old car. I've been saying it's called the Ford GT, and I have 2 sources were Ford specifically said the older car was a Ford GT, and GT40 was a nickname given to it.

EDIT: Gashlycrumb has been providing articles after articles where it's reffered to as the GT40, yet nothing that specifically says Ford GT is incorrect, and Ford GT40 is the real name.

 

[Gashlycrumb]

Yes, but does your mother call you Chipper? (as in Ford referring to The Ford GT40 over and over again from 1966)

Was your birth certificate changed to Chipper (as in Ford changing the Chassis codes to GT40 from 1966)?

Also if you look at what for has done more recently with the "Living Legions" collection it confirms that GT40 became the cars name from the MKII model onwards. The Ford Thunderbird was more popularly known as the T-Bird and yet when they re-released the Thunderbird it was badged as the Thunderbird. When Ford originally released the concept of the FORD GT is was heavily branded as the Ford GT40 reflecting the fact that this was its official name. When they found they couldn't use the GT40 name they reverted to the original racecar name of just GT, named after the class of racing.

Anyway I grow bored of this now as you seem to ignore any form of proof I try and provide as to the fact that they changed the name from MK II onwards.

 

[McLaren]

I'm done, so look.

YES, the Ford GT40 did start out as the Ford GT. Being such, yes, I can see how it's correct to call it either. But for the car's first 2 years, those 11 Prototypes (GT101 to GT112) are the only real Ford GTs. That's what those press releases from 1964-65 will always refer to.

But in 1965, people did see the car, and nicknamed it the GT40. In 1966, the name became so popular that Ford did agree to produce it. But being so, the chassis code was changed to GT 40 P because of the popularity, and the car was instantly recognized as the GT40 by the world. The brochures, the Ford Museum and chassis codes are all solid evidence Ford does recognize the car as the Ford GT40.

So, thanks to the popularity among the fans, the car will always remain the Ford GT40. Ford may say different these days, but back then, they had no problem marketing it as a GT40 or GT. But again, there really is no problem calling it the Ford GT or Ford GT40, but there is no way to convince the world that the car will never be the GT40. Ford's past releases and ads about it will always remain the reason we'll continue to see it as so. It's far too late for Ford to tell the world and expect them to take them seriously after 40 years of hearing Ford marketing as such.

 

[Rykon Zero]

listen. the car was only called the gt because ford doesnt acually hold the patent to the name GT40. some publishing company in michigan holds the patent and asked Ford something like 10 million for the name, so ford just settled for GT.

 

[Perfect Balance]

Yes, but does your mother call you Chipper? (as in Ford referring to The Ford GT40 over and over again from 1966)

Was your birth certificate changed to Chipper (as in Ford changing the Chassis codes to GT40 from 1966)?

Also if you look at what for has done more recently with the "Living Legions" collection it confirms that GT40 became the cars name from the MKII model onwards. The Ford Thunderbird was more popularly known as the T-Bird and yet when they re-released the Thunderbird it was badged as the Thunderbird. When Ford originally released the concept of the FORD GT is was heavily branded as the Ford GT40 reflecting the fact that this was its official name. When they found they couldn't use the GT40 name they reverted to the original racecar name of just GT, named after the class of racing.

Anyway I grow bored of this now as you seem to ignore any form of proof I try and provide as to the fact that they changed the name from MK II onwards.

I'm also bored, since after 9 pages there isn't one article that you've posted that says Ford GT is wrong, or even an article that says Ford GT40 was the official name.

Yet I have 2 articles where Ford themselves said It's NOT the GT40, and that it's purely a nickname. I've been using them since page 4, since nothing you've posted so far tops Ford themselves saying GT40 is incorrect.

 

[Perfect Balance]

I'm done, so look.

YES, the Ford GT40 did start out as the Ford GT. Being such, yes, I can see how it's correct to call it either. But for the car's first 2 years, those 11 Prototypes (GT101 to GT112) are the only real Ford GTs. That's what those press releases from 1964-65 will always refer to.

But in 1965, people did see the car, and nicknamed it the GT40. In 1966, the name became so popular that Ford did agree to produce it. But being so, the chassis code was changed to GT 40 P because of the popularity, and the car was instantly recognized as the GT40 by the world. The brochures, the Ford Museum and chassis codes are all solid evidence Ford does recognize the car as the Ford GT40.

So, thanks to the popularity among the fans, the car will always remain the Ford GT40. Ford may say different these days, but back then, they had no problem marketing it as a GT40 or GT. But again, there really is no problem calling it the Ford GT or Ford GT40, but there is no way to convince the world that the car will never be the GT40. Ford's past releases and ads about it will always remain the reason we'll continue to see it as so. It's far too late for Ford to tell the world and expect them to take them seriously after 40 years of hearing Ford marketing as such.

You never actually provided proof to these claims, and my sources say that Ford Henry II insisted on keeping Ford GT on the sides and steering wheel hubs, despite the gt40 nickname.

listen. the car was only called the gt because ford doesnt acually hold the patent to the name GT40. some publishing company in michigan holds the patent and asked Ford something like 10 million for the name, so ford just settled for GT.

Wrong car, and wrong reasons.

 

[McLaren]

You never actually provided proof to these claims, and my sources say that Ford Henry II insisted on keeping Ford GT on the sides and steering wheel hubs, despite the gt40 nickname.

Wrong car, and wrong reasons.

You obviously missed the point I was making. 👎

Good f'ing bye.

 

[Perfect Balance]

You obviously missed the point I was making. 👎

Good f'ing bye.

There's no reason for me to believe anything in the post if there's nothing credible backing up your claims.👎

 

[McLaren]

There's no reason for me to believe anything in the post if there's nothing credible backing up your claims.👎

My post was centered around never being able to change people's minds. It'll always be the GT40 b/c that's what folks are used to calling it after 40 years and listenting to Ford in the 60's market it as such, despite Ford these days trying to set the record straight.

The Ford today is not the same as yesterday.

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