GT Sport Is Not GT7.

[Imari]

I have read and watched enough article/docs where they portray F1 drivers as such. I tried to explain that that statement was indeed far-fetched. Remember I was referring to the physical possibility.

So why are you quoting me when you're arguing against these articles or documentaries?

Why would I start talking about an ordinary person now? Ordinary can mean a vastly different thing anyway depending on where you live and what those around you do.

Let me remind you what you said to start this all off:

People like to make it seem like racing is SOO hard on the body but the reality is you just need to have a normal functioning body and have enjoyed sport and activity throughout your life. You could kart for a couple of months and be physically ready for an F1 car.

That sounds like an ordinary person to me, someone with a normal body and enjoys some sport and activity. I know that in general western society is turning into a bunch of couch potatoes, but I think it's fair to say that the average person has a normal body and enjoys some sport and activity. That's what most people I know are like.

If by "normal functioning body and enjoys sport and activity" you meant "is fit enough to engage in professional level sports", then I wouldn't disagree with you. But you could have worded it a lot better, if that's what you meant.

But, I know you know it's well known thing to talk about how fit racecar drivers are with probably thousands of segments that have been made on this over the course of motorsports history.

Because they are fit? I don't get where you're going with this. There's a lot of people who think that driving in high level motorsports is not physically demanding, and so motorsports programs get mileage out of running pieces that show otherwise. F1 and LMP drivers are actually very, very fit. Most professional drivers are quite fit, Tony Stewart notwithstanding.

It's not saying anything about other sports, it's just addressing a common misconception that driving an LMP or F1 is not so much more physically demanding to flogging your Golf GTI around the windy bits in the hills.

I'm trying not to talk rubbish, rather trying to lessen the idea that driving F1 is the absolute physical peak a human is capable of.

Which nobody in this thread has made. I'll say it again, you're tilting at windmills.

You claimed that an ordinary person could physically perform at the level needed to drive an F1 with two months karting for practise. I provided evidence to the contrary. You come back with this nonsense that someone has claimed that you need to be at the absolute physical peak of human performance.

It's pretty clear at this point that you don't actually think that someone could drive an F1 with just a couple months karting to build strength, but you just can't admit that what you wrote was wrong. Or that you wrote something that was the total opposite of what you meant to write.

Whatever. That's why ignore lists were invented I guess, otherwise we'll be flogging this dead horse all night.

Again, not talking to you personally.

Then stop replying to me with arguments that I haven't made.

 

[AleksandarSRB]

Off topic...

 

[Johnnypenso]

To suggest that any random Joe could replicate that with a couple of months driving around with a lawnmower engine strapped to a frame is completely disrespectful to motorsports drivers of all classes.

You had me until I read this. High level racing karts don't use lawnmower engines, they use purpose built race motors. With upwards of 50hp on tap in 125 shifters and pulling 2 g's while cornering, it's also disrespectful to refer to karts, which are pure racing machines, as "driving with a lawnmower engine strapped to a frame".

Of course that doesn't change your point that 2 months in a kart will definitely not be enough preparation for F1 racing, just thought I'd point this out.

 

[Imari]

You had me until I read this. High level racing karts don't use lawnmower engines, they use purpose built race motors.With upwards of 50hp on tap in 125 shifters and pulling 2 g's while cornering, it's also disrespectful to refer to karts, which are pure racing machines, as "driving with a lawnmower engine strapped to a frame".

Let's remember that "karts" refers to an enormous range of machines, from things like 125 shifters all the way down to basically what I described, an engine with four wheels attached.

It's not disrespectful at all to call a kart a lawnmower engine strapped to a frame if that's what it is. Some great drivers have gone on to be very successful from those very beginnings.

It was facetious of me to suggest that someone would use such a thing to train for F1. I don't expect that occasionalracer was actually going to pay any attention by that point so I was having some fun.

But there's nothing wrong with saying that some karts are lawnmower engines on a frame. A spade is a spade. Shifter karts are obviously about as far from that as you can get. But there's a world of difference between a Model T and a 787B as well, yet they're both "cars".

 

[occasionalracer]

Off topic...

Indeed, I think this was sparked by taking about if e-sport could indeed be considerd a sport.

So why are you quoting me when you're arguing against these articles or documentaries?

I admittedly made a very vague statement there I should've written differently. You then replied with a post trying to introduce me to the F1/LMP 'reality'. Fine, I then replied to staighten out the misconception of my initial post. I'm almost 32 and have been interested in motorsport since I was about 18 and have done my reading and watching when it comes the driver specific training regiments, so it's no news to me.

That sounds like an ordinary person to me, someone with a normal body and enjoys some sport and activity. I know that in general western society is turning into a bunch of couch potatoes, but I think it's fair to say that the average person has a normal body and enjoys some sport and activity. That's what most people I know are like.

If by "normal functioning body and enjoys sport and activity" you meant "is fit enough to engage in professional level sports", then I wouldn't disagree with you. But you could have worded it a lot better, if that's what you meant.

Forget about the ordinary person ( I never said that), I'm talking about people with a decent competitive edge, you know someone who would actually be considered to get this hypothetical out of the blue free trial in an F1 or LMP we are talking about.

Because they are fit? I don't get where you're going with this. There's a lot of people who think that driving in high level motorsports is not physically demanding, and so motorsports programs get mileage out of running pieces that show otherwise. F1 and LMP drivers are actually very, very fit. Most professional drivers are quite fit, Tony Stewart notwithstanding.

It's not saying anything about other sports, it's just addressing a common misconception that driving an LMP or F1 is not so much more physically demanding to flogging your Golf GTI around the windy bits in the hills.

I agree with the purpose of these segments and it's great for the dudes with the GTIs who don't know the first thing about high level motorsports, but then there's 100's of young teenagers around the world arguably almost ready to be step into some of the top racing machines.. with a bit more training. This can't be said for just about any sport. Why? Because of the physical build not having to be on par with most other sports. That's my point, it's about perfect you are as a driver.

It's pretty clear at this point that you don't actually think that someone could drive an F1 with just a couple months karting to build strength, but you just can't admit that what you wrote was wrong. Or that you wrote something that was the total opposite of what you meant to write.

Basically yes I think that, physically. You are flying over all my points about the mental side and the ultimate fidelity F1 drivers have aquired to actually understand and modulate the inputs in the most perfect way without making mistakes. Is that not enough?

Whatever. That's why ignore lists were invented I guess, otherwise we'll be flogging this dead horse all night.

Great.

Let's remember that "karts" refers to an enormous range of machines, from things like 125 shifters all the way down to basically what I described, an engine with four wheels attached.

It was facetious of me to suggest that someone would use such a thing to train for F1. I don't expect that occasionalracer was actually going to pay any attention by that point so I was having some fun.

But there's nothing wrong with saying that some karts are lawnmower engines on a frame. A spade is a spade. Shifter karts are obviously about as far from that as you can get. But there's a world of difference between a Model T and a 787B as well, yet they're both "cars".

Have you ever driven an actual kart?

 

[mjm23race]

GT6 was released a month after PS4. It would be unfair for them to ditch PS3 users to buy a new console. So IMO they did the right thing. GTS not being GT7 make sense. As it is focused on online competition and FIA championship. Not sure Forza has pitstop but GTS will definitely have it, including variable time of day and weather for race weekend with qualifying if they want to simulate GP weekend Personally I am happy and surprised about it. GTS seems to be less like a GT, Forza game and little bit like Pcars instead

 

[mjm23race]

GT6 was released a month after PS4. It would be unfair for them to ditch PS3 users to buy a new console. So IMO they did the right thing.

If PD wasn't do dang far behind on everything they do, GT6 should have been developed for both PS3 and PS4. It wouldn't have been up to what GT7 should be, but it would have held people over and sold PS4 consoles.

 

[noseknows36]

You hit the nail on the head. I think all of the shortcomings that everyone has been bringing to light are pretty much self inflicted by Kaz and PD. They choose not to adapt on purpose. The decision making over there is beyond reason. They are letting other games take over the racing crown on purpose. There is no other explanation. Sony should just fire Kaz and do it themselves.

Do you think it's just a sense of arrogance that PD and Kaz has? Or possibly Sony pushing unrealistic goals and targets? I don't know how to interpret the whole situation sometimes. It all just seems rather strange to me. I really don't think that the last few GT's have been bad games, it's just that PD keeps throwing out these crazy claims and statements that never seem to be followed through on. I don't know if that's Sony forcing them to make these claims or PD themselves.

 

[TVR27]

I have now got a PS4 and when GTS comes out I will buy it but if its $60 I'm not going to buy it.

 

[Mr P510]

Is there any chance we'll see something on GT Sport at PSX going on this weekend?

 

[Zlork]

Is there any chance we'll see something on GT Sport at PSX going on this weekend?

Very unlikely.... Roll on 2016 👍

 

[jimipitbull]

I have now got a PS4 and when GTS comes out I will buy it but if its $60 I'm not going to buy it.

Do many PS4 games cost less than $60 when they are first released?

 

[Samus]

Do many PS4 games cost less than $60 when they are first released?

I assume he's saying that because GTS is not supposed to be a full title and previous "not full titles", ie prologues, have not been $60.

 

[dr_slump]

When did they state that GTS is not supposed to be a full title?
Just because it doesn't continue the number, doesn't mean it can't be one.

 

[AudiMan2011]

When did they state that GTS is not supposed to be a full title?
Just because it doesn't continue the number, doesn't mean it can't be one.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turis...ismo-7-more-substantial-than-prologue-titles/

 

[dr_slump]

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turis...ismo-7-more-substantial-than-prologue-titles/

Ehm yes, they said it will be much more than just a prologue for GT7.
No idea how you can understand that as a confirmation for GTS not being a full game.

 

[Samus]

Ehm yes, they said it will be much more than just a prologue for GT7.
No idea how you can understand that as a confirmation for GTS not being a full game.

Because if it was he'd just simply say "GT Sport is a full title". No need for anything else or talk about prologues.

 

[GTPorsche]

The way I see it, it's just a racing oriented spin-off of Gran Turismo. Without knowing any details, who can say whether it's a "full game" or not?

 

[TokoTurismo]

It would help if Kaz actually explained what GTSport exactly is rather than be a guy that leaves his fans guessing... >_>

 

[dr_slump]

Because if it was he'd just simply say "GT Sport is a full title". No need for anything else or talk about prologues.

It will most likely be smaller and strongly focused on the competitive aspect, therefore it won't really be part of the main series. It likely won't be a full GT title in terms of how GT1 - GT6 had been, but something different.

It wasn't mentioned if GTS is going to be a full title, but the same is true for the opposite. We simply can't know.

It would help if Kaz actually explained what GTSport exactly is rather than be a guy that leaves his fans guessing... >_>

It's Kaz we're talking about and you should've realised what that means...

 

[TokoTurismo]

It's Kaz we're talking about and you should've realised what that means...

*Sighs* Tell me about it. -_-

 

[GetShrekt]

lol. when can gtplanet move away from gt. Cause at this point it is embarrassing.

Its called GTPlanet for a reason......

 

[TS050]

Its called GTPlanet for a reason......

It doesn't mean you can't discuss things that aren't GT...

 

[GetShrekt]

It doesn't mean you can't discuss things that aren't GT...

I didn't say you couldn't discuss things that aren't GT.

 

[synon]

It would help if Kaz actually explained what GTSport exactly is rather than be a guy that leaves his fans guessing... >_>

Well, it was really a teaser trailer. We'll find out soon enough anyhow.

 

[Mike_grpA]

Have you ever driven an actual kart?

I'll jump in just to say this: I've driven an actual kart, I've driven dozens of them, I used to race them, and you're talking nonsense.

 

[eran0004]

It would help if Kaz actually explained what GTSport exactly is rather than be a guy that leaves his fans guessing... >_>

It will be explained. You just have to wait.

 

[Elitekilla29]

It would help if Kaz actually explained what GTSport exactly is rather than be a guy that leaves his fans guessing... >_>

This is the problem that PD continues to have. I know im beating a dead horse but have some type of communication with your fan base. We always got to play the guessing game when it comes to this company and its frustrating. It's going on 2016. Quit acting like it's still 1997.

 

[ImaRobot]

It will most likely be smaller and strongly focused on the competitive aspect, therefore it won't really be part of the main series. It likely won't be a full GT title in terms of how GT1 - GT6 had been, but something different.

It wasn't mentioned if GTS is going to be a full title, but the same is true for the opposite. We simply can't know.

That's where the problem comes from(as well as the assumption.) The statement was just too vague, and seemed odd to word it out that way. All it did was leave the door open for it not being a full game.

 

[avens]

Do you think it's just a sense of arrogance that PD and Kaz has? Or possibly Sony pushing unrealistic goals and targets? I don't know how to interpret the whole situation sometimes. It all just seems rather strange to me. I really don't think that the last few GT's have been bad games, it's just that PD keeps throwing out these crazy claims and statements that never seem to be followed through on. I don't know if that's Sony forcing them to make these claims or PD themselves.

Either Kaz or Sony, or both, it's clear there's lots of mismanagement going on. I'll give two examples of really lousy prioritizing on their part, which caused and will continue to cause unfulfilled announcements.

First, I think GT Sport shouldn't be developed right now. Kaz said multiple times that GT5 and GT6 couldn't be anywhere as good as they could have been, because of the PS3's limitations. That statement implies GT7 on the PS4 is going to blow our hats away, reviving the series. Problem is releasing the spin-off title GT Sport requires dedicating resources to that instead of all of them going to GT7, making GT7 be not as it as it could be in a time when that is absolutely needed. Well, or be released one year late. This will continue to be the case for years, since GT Sport requires constant updating for years to come.

Second, the focus on unnecessary things in GT5's and GT6's development cycle. Those games didn't need detailing the seats stitching in each car, nor modelling a whole city that no one cares about, but it needed improving the sounds. Hire less modelers, hire better sound engineers. Or you know, get the permits before modelling real life locations, otherwise it's tons of resources wasted on content that is not going to be a part of the game.