GT Sport SVG request thread (Please read 1st post)

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It's a shame, but there's two different things going on here... 1/ It sounds like some people want to be able to download the files (which I can understand) 2/ It sounds like some people don't want to be able to download the files (which I can also understand), and 3/ Some shared decals get removed (which also doesn't surprise me!)*.

The first two points make an interesting debate - the third is frustrating - but it's different argument. I've had one logo taken down - which I really don't understand why, but it was a request from earlier in the thread, so I don't really care!

*I once received a polite legal notice from a €20 Billion chemical company because a review or 'similar item' that appeared on one of our amazon listings used one of their trademarked names. Sound silly but my company has spent quite a bit of money of registering logo's and similar IP... so to a point I understand wanting to keep control.

inri
i've never had one removed, i just wouldn't like someone downloading the ones I make as SVGs because then there's nothing stopping them from reuploading them as their own
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I don't disagree with this point - I'm kind of playing devils advocate here - but are they original logos you have designed - or did you just recreate existing art that someone else did? Secondly - if you've shared it - they can already use it without ever having to credit you. What if you do a logo, someone uses it on a replica race car - shares a photo of that replica on the teams social media, and gets to go visit the team on race day?

What I'm basically saying, is given that no credit is automatically paid to creators already, and at the point you share a decal or livery you loose control over it, where would the harm actually be?

Like I say, I'm playing devils advocate here.
 
MatskiMonk
I don't disagree with this point - I'm kind of playing devils advocate here - but are they original logos you have designed - or did you just recreate existing art that someone else did? Secondly - if you've shared it - they can already use it without ever having to credit you. What if you do a logo, someone uses it on a replica race car - shares a photo of that replica on the teams social media, and gets to go visit the team on race day?

What I'm basically saying, is given that no credit is automatically paid to creators already, and at the point you share a decal or livery you loose control over it, where would the harm actually be?

Like I say, I'm playing devils advocate here.
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well, it's true that like everyone else's decals they're just replicas of illustrations but the svg work is all mine. to me it's fine if people use the decals I upload on their liveries, even without credit. after all that's why i make them public. but they still have to get them from me because I am the only one with the base SVG file. to me it's like the same principle as operating a public sports area or some other free public facility. people are welcome to use them but they can't take the equipment home with them, right? haha

Nuschel01
which you can't
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I know , and I was saying why I'm glad you can't. that's what the conversation is about
 
MatskiMonk
Are these logo's you are sharing, and then they are getting removed.. or are these just for personal use but still get removed?
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They had been shared. Have not lost any non shared ones. Apparently someone was uploading swastikas and was reported by many yet they stayed up for days. I have never had any notifications as to why or threats of bans. Just to scared to re upload them.
 
Richy59
Hello again,

I was wondering if anyone would be able to attempt these logos please?

The second image has both the oval OMSE logo but also has an Olsbergs MSE logo underneath it. If possible would it be able to get that split so the OMSE and Olsbergs MSE are separate?

Thanks :)


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MatskiMonk
Why would you need to?
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Setting up a bunch of e.g. eight logos for the left side of a vehicle takes eight steps to go. Duplicating the bunch or line-up to the opposite side takes another eight steps. Creating a group of logos with AI takes less time, allows more accurate editing and color change, too (e.g. when all logos are to appear in a common color tone). Another little thing: sometimes I use the negative form of a logo as a stencil to let the original paint (like chrome) look though the graphic. But only a few uploaded logos offer negative form or outline. So I would really like to download some decals as an SVG, edit it and re-upload it a a variation: "same same but different"

The theme "mask" and special paint is the latest challenge in the GT Planet Livery Contest 4.
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Here is an example: not the GT Planet logo is chrome silver but the body paint of the car.

 
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Cytoria
No. The only thing you can do is saving the image of the logo as a PNG file. But even in the source code of the pages there is no SVG. (I search for that too when I wanted alternative colours for shared SVG)
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MatskiMonk
Why would you need to?
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inri
i hope not. i put a lot of work into mine
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Nuschel01
which you can't
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Nuschel01
tbh I'd like to re-download my uploaded stuff since my hard drive crashed last month :dunce:
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I hate to break it to all the nay-sayers but there is a (surprisingly easy) way to view and download SVG files created by other users on the GT website.

I discovered it a few months back, but haven't said anything, nor want to post it on the open forum for fear that it may get abused. If you want to shoot me a PM I'll let you have the method.
 
BLiTZ
I hate to break it to all the nay-sayers but there is a (surprisingly easy) way to view and download SVG files created by other users on the GT website.

I discovered it a few months back, but haven't said anything, nor want to post it on the open forum for fear that it may get abused. If you want to shoot me a PM I'll let you have the method.
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Yeah, this is pretty much where I am. I've been mulling over posting about it which is why I was curious what peoples opinions were on the subject.

The main thing for me, is giving people the ability to manage their own collections. At some point my collection will be full of decals, since I've created/uploaded 99% of what I use, I can just delete them and re upload them if necessary.. but a lot of people aren't going to be able to do that - if they disappear from their collections, they can't re-upload them. And, at some point there will be the question of the servers staying up when GT7 hits - for example. I also take Raphaele's point that it does help to create additional new decals.

... but, share-like-whoring is so prevalent, that I'm sure a lot of people would just use it to repost other people stuff for likes, and I can understand why it bothers people like inri - but then I wonder if I care. There's some real crap out there with a lot of likes, it renders the whole idea of pride in ones own work pointless.

Just my two cents. Would be intersting to get @daan's opinion on whether such things can be discussed on GTP anyway.
 
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MatskiMonk
Yeah, this is pretty much where I am. I've been mulling over posting about it which is why I was curious what peoples opinions were on the subject.

The main thing for me, is giving people the ability to manage their own collections. At some point my collection will be full of decals, since I've created 99% of what I use, I can just delete them and re upload them if necessary.. but a lot of people aren't going to be able to do that - if they disappear from their collections, they can't re-upload them. And, at some point there will be the question of the servers staying up when GT7 hits - for example. I also take Raphaele's point that it does help to create additional new decals.

... but, share-like-whoring is so prevalent, that I'm sure a lot of people would just use it to repost other people stuff for likes, and I can understand why it bothers people like inri - but then I wonder if I care. There's some real crap out there with a lot of likes, it renders the whole idea of pride in ones own work pointless.

Just my two cents. Would be intersting to get @daan's opinion on whether such things can be discussed on GTP anyway.
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Yes I suspect we're on the same page (in fact I was going to message you about it, when I first discovered it as you've been my SVG guru for certain things and I felt you'd be the person to share it with, but I didn't get round to it at the time).

Whilst I believe it should be public knowlege, there are multiple issues that currently concern me:

- Technically it's reverse engineering - Not quite hacking, but still possibly in breach of T&C's of use.
- It allows other people to re-distribute (and take credit for) other people's hard work (Though I guess this is a risk you take when uploading anything creative onto the Internet)
- The more people that know about it, the higher the chance it get's patched (Not end of world stuff, but it's sometimes handy to see how people have achieved complex designs under 15kb)
 
BLiTZ
Yes I suspect we're on the same page (in fact I was going to message you about it, when I first discovered it as you've been my SVG guru for certain things and I felt you'd be the person to share it with, but I didn't get round to it at the time).

Whilst I believe it should be public knowlege, there are multiple issues that currently concern me:

- Technically it's reverse engineering - Not quite hacking, but still possibly in breach of T&C's of use.
- It allows other people to re-distribute (and take credit for) other people's hard work (Though I guess this is a risk you take when uploading anything creative onto the Internet)
- The more people that know about it, the higher the chance it get's patched (Not end of world stuff, but it's sometimes handy to see how people have achieved complex designs under 15kb)
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It's not an intended feature and it's not what people think they are allowing when they upload SVG... so from that point of view I'd deem it unethical. In practice, I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make one way or the other.

Ironically, one of the two times I've ever really used it was to get my head around your CF decal! I knew you'd used repeat, and I knew that GTS allowed some of these fill functions, but I'd never looked at how that could be combined with opacity for anything in particular. As it happens I've not really done anything with that knowledge yet, though I've ear-marked the method for creating a background texture for Ernst Fuchs BMW art car... which I'd planned on giving you a mention for (when I get round to doing it!).
 
MatskiMonk
It's not an intended feature and it's not what people think they are allowing when they upload SVG... so from that point of view I'd deem it unethical. In practice, I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make one way or the other.

Ironically, one of the two times I've ever really used it was to get my head around your CF decal! I knew you'd used repeat, and I knew that GTS allowed some of these fill functions, but I'd never looked at how that could be combined with opacity for anything in particular. As it happens I've not really done anything with that knowledge yet, though I've ear-marked the method for creating a background texture for Ernst Fuchs BMW art car... which I'd planned on giving you a mention for (when I get round to doing it!).
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Unfortunatley the whole decal uploader is a can of worms yet to be opened. People are freely able to upload copyrighted material into the public domain without consent or concern for brand standards etc. I expect that more and more companies will take action over time. Even the home-made decals could be at risk. For example Coca Cola may be happy to allow their logo in the game but might not be happy if the most popular verison was some auto-traced hack.

That's how I discovered it too. I was getting annoyed that people seemed to be able to create a large CF texture that wasn't possible with shapes alone. I knew repeats were possible but didn't know exactly how to execute them in a way that the game would understand. By being able to see the code for the other user's decal I was able to better understand what I needed to code in. I was also able to see where they'd missed a trick and limited their size by not grouping shapes and wasting code on seperate fill commands.

Like you, I've not used the ability to obtain decals for anything else as to be honest there's not a lot I'd want to rob from other people.
 
BLiTZ
Unfortunatley the whole decal uploader is a can of worms yet to be opened. People are freely able to upload copyrighted material into the public domain without consent or concern for brand standards etc. I expect that more and more companies will take action over time. Even the home-made decals could be at risk. For example Coca Cola may be happy to allow their logo in the game but might not be happy if the most popular verison was some auto-traced hack.
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To be fair, I think this can of worms is already open and is called the internet. I'd imagine most brands take a pragmatic approach to such things, cost and damage one way or the other... they can be pro-active or re-active... the marketing people handle the former, the lawyers handle the latter. I can see arguments both ways to be honest...
 
MatskiMonk
To be fair, I think this can of worms is already open and is called the internet. I'd imagine most brands take a pragmatic approach to such things, cost and damage one way or the other... they can be pro-active or re-active... the marketing people handle the former, the lawyers handle the latter. I can see arguments both ways to be honest...
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I guess different to World Vector Logo or Brands of the World, though most of the content on there appears to be user-made (it still bugs me that the most popluar Gran Turismo logo thats used on all sorts of non-offical products comes from one of those types of sites and has the wrong colours).
 
BLiTZ
Yes I suspect we're on the same page (in fact I was going to message you about it, when I first discovered it as you've been my SVG guru for certain things and I felt you'd be the person to share it with, but I didn't get round to it at the time).

Whilst I believe it should be public knowlege, there are multiple issues that currently concern me:

- Technically it's reverse engineering - Not quite hacking, but still possibly in breach of T&C's of use.
- It allows other people to re-distribute (and take credit for) other people's hard work (Though I guess this is a risk you take when uploading anything creative onto the Internet)
- The more people that know about it, the higher the chance it get's patched (Not end of world stuff, but it's sometimes handy to see how people have achieved complex designs under 15kb)
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MatskiMonk
It's not an intended feature and it's not what people think they are allowing when they upload SVG... so from that point of view I'd deem it unethical. In practice, I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make one way or the other.

Ironically, one of the two times I've ever really used it was to get my head around your CF decal! I knew you'd used repeat, and I knew that GTS allowed some of these fill functions, but I'd never looked at how that could be combined with opacity for anything in particular. As it happens I've not really done anything with that knowledge yet, though I've ear-marked the method for creating a background texture for Ernst Fuchs BMW art car... which I'd planned on giving you a mention for (when I get round to doing it!).
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@Jordan said it's OK to talk about here, but I would add that it's probably not for this thread.
 
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