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No, I love motorsports, but my point is more that it's pretty far fetched to expect narrow point to point rally stages in a GT game. The series has a fairly clear faux-rally heritage, and all the evidence points to that merely continuing.
More variety in tracks for these vehicles may well be incoming as part of the currently unknown contents of GTS, but I wouldn't think it too likely. I don't see that as a problem, because even if it did, it wouldn't likely be as good as Dirt Rally anyway.
Again, you're perfectly within your rights to criticize it for whatever you like, I'm just offering a counter view, is all.
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Im with the idea of creating new and maybe weird combinations if they: a) will be fun in game, b) for some reason are not possible in the real world and c) they dont replace the real world formula.
In SLRE you can use all type of rally cars to race on rallycross tracks. A very good idea because
GT for some reason gets the idea wrong IMO. Getting 1000 hp prototypes in oval tracks is not fun. And there is a reason why rally cars are not used on normal tracks on the real world
See the difference? The ford GT has massive tyres, while the ford fiesta has skinny ones. If you get a WRC on a normal track, you will be trying to get grip even in the straights. And you cant drift the corners like in rallycross races because you will loose a lot of time (rallycross tracks are in slippery surfaces or with very tight corners in tarmac). While not been completely a waste of time, getting WRC cars in normal tracks is not the best of the ideas.
Getting so called "rally cars" in tracks that arent either rallycross tracks or rally stages (GT Sport fishermans) can be fun. But they are replacing the two formulas that in my personal opinion, are more fun.
That was the gamer point of view. From the motorsport fan point of view the general aproach of GT has less value than Driveclub. Driveclub take the language from the real world (Hypercars, Supercars, Hot Hatchbacks) while GT transform it in a very weird way: again, rally cars in rally tracks (not rally stages). Driveclub gets the Mercedes AMG GT3 and the Renault RS01 in the same race. GT gets fake cars and real world racing cars.
I dont like that they call themselves the future the motor sport when they aren't trying to resemble to the present or the past of motorsport.
In SLRE you can use all type of rally cars to race on rallycross tracks. A very good idea because
you can imitate real world rally cross races with the WRC cars (the game doesnt have rally cross licenses like Dirt does) and also you can make very interesting combinations like getting Hillclimb, R5, group B, group4, group A, low powered cars in rally cross tracks (that also can imitate real world rallycross races).
GT for some reason gets the idea wrong IMO. Getting 1000 hp prototypes in oval tracks is not fun. And there is a reason why rally cars are not used on normal tracks on the real world
See the difference? The ford GT has massive tyres, while the ford fiesta has skinny ones. If you get a WRC on a normal track, you will be trying to get grip even in the straights. And you cant drift the corners like in rallycross races because you will loose a lot of time (rallycross tracks are in slippery surfaces or with very tight corners in tarmac). While not been completely a waste of time, getting WRC cars in normal tracks is not the best of the ideas.
Getting so called "rally cars" in tracks that arent either rallycross tracks or rally stages (GT Sport fishermans) can be fun. But they are replacing the two formulas that in my personal opinion, are more fun.
That was the gamer point of view. From the motorsport fan point of view the general aproach of GT has less value than Driveclub. Driveclub take the language from the real world (Hypercars, Supercars, Hot Hatchbacks) while GT transform it in a very weird way: again, rally cars in rally tracks (not rally stages). Driveclub gets the Mercedes AMG GT3 and the Renault RS01 in the same race. GT gets fake cars and real world racing cars.
I dont like that they call themselves the future the motor sport when they aren't trying to resemble to the present or the past of motorsport.
Zlork very happy with PD decisions, who saw that coming?
I'm not sure how many times I have to clarify my point. If they want to offer these un-natural rally circuits and race rally cars on normal circuits, fine. If people like that, fine. All I want is if they are going to include these rally cars, they should be offering more to do with them that is in line with real world rally car motorsports. As @SlimCharles points out, the tagline of this game is the future of motorsport, and they're in partnership with the biggest real world governing body which I can assure you, aren't coming out with a rally circuit racing series any time soon. They do however run a World Rally and Rallycross championship...
Seems some of you just want the game to stagnate, always do what it did and never add anything new or fresh. Which begs the question why you're not up in arms about GTS in general, given how much it has changed over the past 6. I suppose in a huge coincidence, all of the things they have changed, you're very happy with.
I'm not sure how many times I have to clarify my point. If they want to offer these un-natural rally circuits and race rally cars on normal circuits, fine. If people like that, fine. All I want is if they are going to include these rally cars, they should be offering more to do with them that is in line with real world rally car motorsports. As @SlimCharles points out, the tagline of this game is the future of motorsport, and they're in partnership with the biggest real world governing body which I can assure you, aren't coming out with a rally circuit racing series any time soon. They do however run a World Rally and Rallycross championship...
Seems some of you just want the game to stagnate, always do what it did and never add anything new or fresh. Which begs the question why you're not up in arms about GTS in general, given how much it has changed over the past 6. I suppose in a huge coincidence, all of the things they have changed, you're very happy with.
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Failing to see how Samus isn't right for wanting a more realistic depiction of Rally, just seems like the usual "y u so negative" crowd who can't distinguish actual negativity from constructive criticism (which isn't exactly all pink and fluffy) And if I'm honest, I myself kinda want to see what a Group B Mustang does on a P2P WRC stage (Because why the hell not?) so I kinda want that choice myself.
*Inb4 Mustang crash jokes*
*Inb4 Mustang crash jokes*
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- TheSweeney_
I'd of thought that considering there's the dedicated rally class and a number of rally cars have been shown, that surely they will be more rally track(s) to be included in the track list. After all, out of the proposed 19 tracks to be included we've had 5? confirmed for now.
I personally don't mind if the included rally tracks are circuits like Fisherman's ranch, but it'd be great if they had more of an "atmosphere" to them instead of just being a very wide track. Perhaps something that reminisces the tight and twisty nature of the old Tahiti Maze.
I personally don't mind if the included rally tracks are circuits like Fisherman's ranch, but it'd be great if they had more of an "atmosphere" to them instead of just being a very wide track. Perhaps something that reminisces the tight and twisty nature of the old Tahiti Maze.
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What I'm wondering is that with a smaller track roster, how many of them are going to be Rally-specific tracks? The inclusion will be a bit odd if there is a lack of them. I realize that you can very much use them in the other tracks available in the game, but it will be a bit disappointing otherwise.
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As much as I shouldn't be by now, I'm slightly troubled by the lack details like how many of these tracks are circuit or rally. Granted the lack of info in general on many things (the Livery editor being the biggest mystery after it was shown only once), but this is kinda important since it supposedly involves the FIA and the supposed approved FIA tracks (although it seems to loosely follow that if Tokyo is anything to go by).
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You'd think that fantasy rally circuits would be among the easiest tracks to produce in quantity. You aren't beholden to any laser scan data or real world accuracy of any sort, you could quite easily take sections of mesh used in other dirt tracks and copy paste it into new tracks. Background trees and scenery are quite generic, signage is all stock signage re-used from other layouts. Not a lot of buildings but any structures used can be free form or generic, even re-used from other layouts with different textures.
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I'm sure they'll be only 1 or 2 rally tracks.
GT6 had about 2-3 unseen dirt tracks cut from the game from Matterhorn and Eiger Norwand if I remember correctly. Perhaps we'll see those enter. For classic originals, it's almost as if it's illegal for them to return.
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Edit; I realized this is Chinese.
These gentlemen give a talk about GT Sport, from the latest public event, Jan 20th.
Any Translators?
^ It's Chinese, not Japanese..... sounds like Mandarian to me
Youtube has a translation thing
click the cc and hd button, and turn on subtitles/auto-translate options etc
It doesn't available with English subtitles, so we really need someone to translate the interview, which seems pretty interesting to know what are they talking about.
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How on earth is what I said "extremely misleading"?
If GTSport game-play footage and images are to believed, what I said in my post that you quoted and highlighted in bold text is in no way misleading, it's fact.
I see a major separation between our two views.
You seem to consider any in-game activity that doesn't follow precisely what happens in the real world of motor-sport as a failure of the game.
I don't. 👍
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Nah.
We got P2P in GT5(I think I posted that already). Pikes Peak in GT2. Tarmac/snow and Tarmac/dirt combo circuits in past GTs.
The point that continues to be made is, why can't PD get it right? There isn't a problem with the rally cars being races on Tokyo Expressway. The problem is, in a nutshell, why aren't there any proper rally stages as well?
As was mentioned three times, We'll have to wait and see.
We got P2P in GT5(I think I posted that already). Pikes Peak in GT2. Tarmac/snow and Tarmac/dirt combo circuits in past GTs.
The point that continues to be made is, why can't PD get it right? There isn't a problem with the rally cars being races on Tokyo Expressway. The problem is, in a nutshell, why aren't there any proper rally stages as well?
As was mentioned three times, We'll have to wait and see.
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I prefer production car road racing(Gr.4).Well I wasn't posting about track choices.
I was posting about the option of driving Gr.B cars on tarmac. 👍
And it seems, in that respect, you agree.
Racing rally cars on a tarmac circuit like in GTS, I'll pass, if it's not a requirement to advance offline. Racing on tarmac like in Monte Carlo, would be more my speed. Tarmac isn't the concern(or I guess, the debate).
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Sure, you're not into it, no problems.
I'm not all that interested in driving on dirt in games, full stop.
But that's another story.
I see no issue if the option is there.
If someone wants to drive a Mustang Gr.B around Brands, good luck to them.
All I know is that it doesn't affect my game, so why limit the option for them?
I wasn't saying anything more than that.
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I guess Daytona 24 and Miami(Homestead?) are semi ovals for GT3 cars. So, you can watch those soon.
I get your point, but that right there is the whole point of the rally discussion.
Why limit the rally cars to the tarmac circuits(with one dirt course)? Sure, 4 cars can race around an oval, an expressway, Willow Springs. Not a problem. Then, where are the proper P2P options for players, that want to go hell bent over blind crests and edges of cliffs like in real life rallying? That's the option that seems to be limited by PD.
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Nighty night.
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As much as I'd love a classic original track to return in GTS; like Tahiti Dirt Route 3 or Smokey Mountain (in GT2 North guise no less), I very much doubt that will happen unfortunately
, but I'd loved to be proved wrong.As far as the number of rally tracks is concerned I'd have thought personally that there'd be more that 2 tracks, definitely more than 1, ideally 3 or 4. But given the no. of tracks I wouldn't be surprised if there was just 2 tracks as you suggest
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As much as I'd love a classic original track to return in GTS; like Tahiti Dirt Route 3 or Smokey Mountain (in GT2 North guise no less), I very much doubt that will happen unfortunately
As far as the number of rally tracks is concerned I'd have thought personally that there'd be more that 2 tracks, definitely more than 1, ideally 3 or 4. But given the no. of tracks I wouldn't be surprised if there was just 2 tracks as you suggest
Unless the rumor of "Seattle Short" is true, it may break the chain.
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