"GT Sport will require an internet connection for the majority of functionality"
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It already wasn't surprising that GTS would be a heavy online focus. The wording about limited split-screen and Arcade Mode races on select tracks should be more of a cause for concern if they require online functionality too.
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If your selling on esport title with no one player significant mode you'er gonna to have a bad time - sales wise....
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Overwatch has no significant offline mode and it's one of the most successful games of the last decade. Not necessarily.
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Pretty obvious but it should be mentioned that a person can still have an online presence without an internet connection, let alone one that is reliable enough for online gaming. I am sending this message via a Tim Hortons WiFi connection for example.
A few weeks ago we were told that 85% of the game was offline. Surely even you can see that that statement might be contradictory with the latest news.
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It goes down to just three times faster than my internet is when it's in a good mood. (Earlier today it was struggling with a YouTube video in 360p. I wonder if you might start having nightmares about that now)
Online-focused should not mean online-only, or severely-limited-if-offline. Test Drive Unlimited had a very MMO premise, but was basically entirely there offline too (at least the first one. I remember not liking how races scattered around on the second game were online-only).
So if a game is online-only and requires a fast connection, that's a problem.
If it's limited and some stuff is only available online, and it's "playing against others" online, like in the TDU2 example above, that's bad, but still most of it is playable offline.
If it's online-only, but your connection doesn't need to be that fast if you're not currently playing against someone (it's just needed for a verification, updating user data, etc.), as long as it's working RIGHT NOW, no problem, even if it's slow it'll work. Problem is if it's not.
It's complicated. Actually playing with someone online requires an internet connection? "NOOOOO..., DON'T TELL ME". But being too limited if you don't have a constant connection even if there is content that can totally be offline, that's stupid. I hope this all gets clarified (and in a good way) soon.
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Without question, this should be a cause for concern. At this point, it's clear Kaz is making sacrifices in limiting GT Sport's functionality (playability?) in order to have a smooth gameplay experience. Instead of sacrificing in other areas, it now appears modes which have been an integral part of the GT series are in the process of being demoted making them devalued to Kaz.
I hope future updates continue to optimize GTS in order to allow for greater functionality. PS VR, for example; it's plausible they will add more tracks to the list. For some reason, it seems unlikely to me they will (though not that they can't) make it possible to race against more than one AI.
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I'm not one of the complainers but I really don't get this. Is there supposed to be irony here or something? What does the internet connectivity of a game have to do with that of a forum? Do people expect GTPlanet to have an offline mode? What's the 'gotcha' meant to be?
It's supposed to mean that I bet money on every GTPlanet member having at least some form of internet in their house. Sane people certainly aren't going to buy this game if they don't have an at-home internet connection.
Perhaps some rewording on that post is in order.
What I can gather from this thread is that the only possible group of people on GTP that will be affected by this are Gran Turismo fans that can only access the internet through restaurant WiFi for some reason.
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I'm also just stunned at how people still aren't aware of this, especially when Microsoft were hit with massive backlash for that very thing (that and security concerns).
Sounds like the same sort of deal a family near me just got for AT&T. Too bad the lack of competition in the US means we're always gonna have these "deals" for a internet that is three times as much a someone else on the other side of the world (which is way faster).
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Posts are coming very fast here, it's a hot debate. Maybe you didn't see my previous post: My internet is 1mbps, WHEN IT'S WORKING WELL (which is about a third of the time, at best). And I'm a GT fan.
You can save money to get a console (it's a great value for the graphics you get, compared to a PC, and tends to be more reliable, even today, in terms of game performance), you can save to get a game (specially as games get older and cheaper), you CAN'T save to pay a MONTHLY fee for a good internet, so a great portion of the world that isn't a first-world country will have problems with this kind of game, and those who can't even afford current-gen will have a severely limited game (or none at all) when the PS5/XBTWO (hell, when the next game) comes around and the servers go down.
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Maybe this game isn't for you then, but it's still hard to believe this is still a problem in 2017.
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Well, this has killed my enthusiasm for getting a PS4 Pro and GT Sport. I live in a rather rural area and the best internet connection I can get without moving 200-something miles away is 1.5-2mb per second, which probably isn't going to cut it for online races.
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Why did this news story kill your enthusiasm of all things? You know what your internet is capable of, and you hopefully knew what type of game this was from the beginning, so again, why the huge shock?
The GT community is one of the only ones on the internet that gets pitchforks drawn at the sight of "esports game requires internet connection".
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Have you read the article? As @SlipZtrEm pointed out:
portions of the Arcade Mode, including limited two-player split screen, single player races on select tracks and time trials
Could be all that's available offline.
Limited as the "campaign" mode seems to be, no one was expecting it to need an internet connection in order to be enjoyed. And if you've been following GTP's discussions about the Campaign (GT Mode) being scraped from GTS you'd understand that a lot of people were disappointed. Now, with the tiny campaign needing an internet connection might through off a) those who were still on the fence and b) those who wouldn't mind the tiny campaign but don't have decent/unlimited internet connections. I don't think they're an insignificant number.
Also, if someone with a bad internet service loves scapes but needs to download them to his PS4's hard drive, they'll probably get frustrated playing with this feature too.
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I only played GT6 for the online aspect after a couple months until the track maker returned. I'm not gonna pretend I represent the majority of players out there, but imo it's not a big deal. It's what, $25 for 3 months of ps+? I know my internet is included with my cable, but it's not expensive without it and it's unlimited as well. I can download, play, stream, etc. as much as I want with comcast. It'd be silly for people to buy a ps4 not to play with friends or people on the internet imo. But oh well, I don't really care. As long as I can have fun with the people I already have on my friends list from the beta and maybe some new cats, I'm good. As for how it affects sales, that's GT and Sony' problem, not mine.
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Well,yes...we live in the connected era..
But one thing is "obligated Internet connection in a game" that if you aren't connected you can't even play it.. Like need for speed 2015, the crew or destiny...
I just don't like it,because sometimes i take my ps4 with me on holiday for a couple of weeks in a little village and there we haven't Internet contracted.
So if GT Sport is a game with "obligated permanent Internet connection" needed to work.... Bad news...
That is whorse than the online pass EA maked in the last gen...
And when Microsoft said that they wanted to make their console with an needed "obligated permanent Internet connection" everyone gone mad and finally Microsoft discarded it...
The games shouldn't come with obligated Internet connection either.
Look the next need for speed payback... It won't come with the obligated Internet connection because the need for speed 2015 game didn't sell really good due that policy of Internet connection..
Driveclub also uses Internet to update information of friends and players, but you can play it also without internet connection..
That ps plus is needed for the online multiplayer servers, ok,like all the games... But the game should have to work without a "obligated permanent Internet connection"
If that's the way GT took.... Sure that it will influence on the sales.
But one thing is "obligated Internet connection in a game" that if you aren't connected you can't even play it.. Like need for speed 2015, the crew or destiny...
I just don't like it,because sometimes i take my ps4 with me on holiday for a couple of weeks in a little village and there we haven't Internet contracted.
So if GT Sport is a game with "obligated permanent Internet connection" needed to work.... Bad news...
That is whorse than the online pass EA maked in the last gen...
And when Microsoft said that they wanted to make their console with an needed "obligated permanent Internet connection" everyone gone mad and finally Microsoft discarded it...
The games shouldn't come with obligated Internet connection either.
Look the next need for speed payback... It won't come with the obligated Internet connection because the need for speed 2015 game didn't sell really good due that policy of Internet connection..
Driveclub also uses Internet to update information of friends and players, but you can play it also without internet connection..
That ps plus is needed for the online multiplayer servers, ok,like all the games... But the game should have to work without a "obligated permanent Internet connection"
If that's the way GT took.... Sure that it will influence on the sales.
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Sounds like a bunch of people need to hold onto their butts and wait for GT7....
My brother lives on an acreage about 10 minutes out the city and it barely works, if one of the kids is watching Netflix or using a computer... basically he had to quite gaming and only games once or twice a week while we hang out at my apartment.
People aren't complaining about a "esports game requires internet connection", they're complaining about a "Gran Turismo game requires internet connection" to possibly play offline.
You would think that Sony would know better because online only **** basically killed the Xbone before it even started plus the backlash towards every game that has that crap (like the recent Sonic Mania drama) that adding online only features is a huge negative for lots of gamers.
If racing games were more mainstream probably every video game site and youtube channel would have articles and videos about it.
Like, it's just ****ing stupid and is going to cause a lot of backlash.
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This is about my speed too, and during the GTS beta races ran pretty well for me, only ovals could feel uncomfortable to race closely on (though still playable). I don't think there's generally that much data transfer involved with online games, and I imagine latency is a more important factor to consider than bandwidth (which I don't think was great for me either). Here's examples of the connection quality I typically had on road/oval courses:
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As much as I think it's ridiculous they apparently weren't aware a good internet connection is necessary for a clean experience racing online, I think you need to educate yourself on how certain areas can't have decent internet speeds. You should realize this means you can't stream Netflix in HD. . . I remember not being able to watch videos on YouTube in HD. I never want to go back to that.
Latency. You're right. That something I do understand about gaming online. And I have heard about GTS beta testers saying it wasn't common at all to see cars hopping around after the first month or two after the beta released. Not everybody had good connections. It was definitely varied.
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On the internet a small number of people can make plenty of noise, particularly on a relatively small site like this. Doesn't make their concerns any less important, but these things need to be put into perspective. Today Bunjie announced 1.3m concurrent players on Destiny, my PSN friends list is filled with people playing this and other online titles. Even those playing single-player titles are flooding my Twitter with photomode screenshots.
And those not playing anything are posting on message boards like this. It's a different world out there since even PS3 and GT6. And of course, as a consumer, you can buy or pass.....it's only videogames.
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